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Sprint Samsung SPH-m900 is really a great phone, but is not a perfect phone. The most words that the SPH-m900 users said was “The only issue Samsung need to fix is the poor battery life.” Then how to maximize battery life on the SPH-m900? Here are a few tips and tricks to maximize battery life...
10 Steps to Maximize the SPH-m900’s Battery Life | Sprint Cellphone Blog

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Sprint Samsung SPH-m900 is really a great phone, but is not a perfect phone. The most words that the SPH-m900 users said was “The only issue Samsung need to fix is the poor battery life.” Then how to maximize battery life on the SPH-m900? Here are a few tips and tricks to maximize battery life...
10 Steps to Maximize the SPH-m900’s Battery Life | Sprint Cellphone Blog
First, that's kinda strange, because, despite what the ill-informed users have said,the SPH-m900 has fantastic battery life.
and Secondly, that list didn't mention the #1 way to improve the battery life (or, at least, how to realize the full potential of the battery).
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that list didn't mention the #1 way to improve the battery life (or, at least, how to realize the full potential of the battery).
Don't turn the phone on?
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Don't turn the phone on?
LOL, no. Condition the battery (let it run dead, and I mean dead dead. Then recharge over night to top off the charge).

Most people that complain about the battery life, are thinking that the 15% warning is the end of the battery... when actually there are several hours remaining after that 15% mark (my phone went on for 8hrs of moderate-heavy usage after the 15% warning).

The phone has a terrible time judging the amount of charge in the battery, and by draining it all the way down, and charging it all the way back up, the phone/battery learns the extent of its own run time.

So that's it. The #1 way to get the most out of this phone is to repeat that battery conditioning cycle for 3-4 days in a row. Doing that will make your phone last much longer above 15%.

I would be surprised if it was possible to kill this phone in under 10hrs without intentionally doing everything possible to kill it. The general consensus in the battery thread is that, under normal usage, you're likely to easily hit 12+hours of run time (several have reported 30+ hours, right now I am at about 24hrs and still going).
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First, that's kinda strange, because, despite what the ill-informed users have said,the SPH-m900 has fantastic battery life.
and Secondly, that list didn't mention the #1 way to improve the battery life (or, at least, how to realize the full potential of the battery).

Ill informed suggests that this is not coming from people with first had experience. We all know the ratings are for fantastic battery life, and clearly at least half of the users of this phone are getting that battery life. It's also clear that through some glitch in the phone, that there IS a problem somewhere actually draining the battery.

I'll use yesterday as an example:

I charged the phone overnight, turned off, on the home charger
10:15 AM - I removed the phone from the charger and turned it on
11:00 AM - phone is reporting 70% battery life
12:00 PM - phone is reporting 50% battery life
1:00 PM - phone is reporting 15% battery life
3:00 PM - phone is dead, turned itself off

I made 0 phone calls, send 4 text messages and spent about 30 seconds on the app store. GPS was off, bluetooth was off and wi-fi was off.

Now, I understand a lot about battery conditioning. I've been a manager for RadioShack for 3 1/2 years, and I'm not one of the dumb ones who can't answer technical questions. I know fully draining and fully charging is the best way to go, and I've done that.

Clearly there are methods to get good battery life when it starts off bad on this phone. But coming from someone who's owned a dozen phones and sold thousands, I know that you shouldn't have to spend a week conditioning your battery to make it useful.
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The list you published is very informative....thanks! However, I didn't buy the phone just to have to turn off the features I bought it for in the first place!!! I know...I know...turn them off unless I use them. The thing is I paid good money for this phone (as I'm sure everyone else did), so I believe it's the manufacturers responsibility to pair the phone with an appropriate battery that can handle the load.

Critical - although I agree with your assessment as to charging and discharging batteries, here is some additonal information concerning the the Li-Ion battery that comes with the phone. I submit this quote from Battery Life.com...

"A lithium-ion battery provides 300-500 discharge/charge cycles. The battery prefers a partial rather than a full discharge. Frequent full discharges should be avoided when possible. Instead, charge the battery more often or use a larger battery. There is no concern of memory when applying unscheduled charges.

Although lithium-ion is memory-free in terms of performance deterioration, batteries with fuel gauges exhibit what engineers refer to as "digital memory". Here is the reason: Short discharges with subsequent recharges do not provide the periodic calibration needed to synchronize the fuel gauge with the battery's state-of-charge. A deliberate full discharge and recharge every 30 charges corrects this problem. Letting the battery run down to the cut-off point in the equipment will do this. If ignored, the fuel gauge will become increasingly less accurate.


Avoid frequent full discharges because this puts additional strain on the battery. Several partial discharges with frequent recharges are better for lithium-ion than one deep one. Recharging a partially charged lithium-ion does not cause harm because there is no memory.

Avoid purchasing spare lithium-ion batteries for later use. Observe manufacturing dates. Do not buy old stock, even if sold at clearance prices.

If you have a spare lithium-ion battery, use one to the fullest and keep the other cool by placing it in the refrigerator. Do not freeze the battery. For best results, store the battery at 40% state-of-charge."

I've tried to keep to this mantra since I started using Li-Ion batteries and it has always worked for me.

That being said....Samsung needs to provide the consumer with a robust battery that will handle the workload.

Sorry this was so long folks!

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Ill informed suggests that this is not coming from people with first had experience.
Well, if you're right. Then ignorance is the correct word, I just didn't want to come across as insulting. But you're right, it is not ill-informed, it is simple ignorance.

On another note, it does sound like you may have a bad battery. But you already know that.

@Rugby, Initially, it has generally been proven by the people in this forum, that conditioning the battery does increase fuel gauge accuracy, to a point. I'm not saying that you should fully discharge and recharge your phone for as long as you own it. I am saying that you should do it 3 or 4 times to get the gauge to read correctly. Give it a shot then let me know if it still can't handle the work load.
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Well, if you're right. Then ignorance is the correct word, I just didn't want to come across as insulting. But you're right, it is not ill-informed, it is simple ignorance.

On another note, it does sound like you may have a bad battery. But you already know that.

@Rugby, Initially, it has generally been proven by the people in this forum, that conditioning the battery does increase fuel gauge accuracy, to a point. I'm not saying that you should fully discharge and recharge your phone for as long as you own it. I am saying that you should do it 3 or 4 times to get the gauge to read correctly. Give it a shot then let me know if it still can't handle the work load.

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Don't turn the phone on?
I mean turn off... if not being used.
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The info the op posted is straight from Samsung's website. Pretty useless if you ask me, if you go into some of the faq's for the moment on sammy's site you will quickly realize its a lot of generic information, and nothing too specific.
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he's just spamming his blog site. waste of space, and this topic has been covered in other threads.
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Ill informed suggests that this is not coming from people with first had experience. We all know the ratings are for fantastic battery life, and clearly at least half of the users of this phone are getting that battery life. It's also clear that through some glitch in the phone, that there IS a problem somewhere actually draining the battery.

I'll use yesterday as an example:

I charged the phone overnight, turned off, on the home charger
10:15 AM - I removed the phone from the charger and turned it on
11:00 AM - phone is reporting 70% battery life
12:00 PM - phone is reporting 50% battery life
1:00 PM - phone is reporting 15% battery life
3:00 PM - phone is dead, turned itself off

I made 0 phone calls, send 4 text messages and spent about 30 seconds on the app store. GPS was off, bluetooth was off and wi-fi was off.

Now, I understand a lot about battery conditioning. I've been a manager for RadioShack for 3 1/2 years, and I'm not one of the dumb ones who can't answer technical questions. I know fully draining and fully charging is the best way to go, and I've done that.

Clearly there are methods to get good battery life when it starts off bad on this phone. But coming from someone who's owned a dozen phones and sold thousands, I know that you shouldn't have to spend a week conditioning your battery to make it useful.

First full day with mine today but i charge mine last night on and took it off at 8am its now 1030am here and it just now hit 90%. Heck i have sent aqround 15 to 20 text and even download app so far im happy.
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The thread is good, even if the OP's intentions are a bit dubios.

I have studied Lithium battery life and care for sometime, and here is a great guide that explains some of it in detail:

BatteryCare - Proper laptop battery usage guide

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Full battery discharges (until laptop power shutdown, 0%) should be avoided, because this stresses the battery a lot and can even damage it. It's recommended to perform partial discharges to capacity levels of 20~30% and frequent charges, instead of performing a full discharging followed by a full charging.
Laptop batteries contain a capacity gauge that allows us to know the exact amount of energy stored. However, due to the charging/discharging cycles, this sensor tends to be inaccurate overtime.
Some laptops include in their BIOS, tools to recalibrate this battery gauge, which is nothing more than a full discharge followed by a full charge.
So to calibrate the gauge, it should be performed, in every 30 discharge cycles, a full discharge non-stop , followed by a also, non-stop, full charge.
An inaccurate gauge can lead to the fact that the the battery capacity values are are wrong. The battery may report that it still has 10% of capacity when in fact it has a much lower value, and this causes the computer to shutdown unexpectedly.
Discharge (or charge) cycles consist of using all that battery charge (100%) but not necessarily all at once.
For example, you can use the laptop for some minutes in a day, using half its capacity e then fully charge it. If you did the same thing in the next day, it would be counted a discharge cycle and not two, so it may take several days until a full discharge cycle is completed.
Even though it refers to laptop lithiums, the concepts still apply to cellphones.
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Folks this user is just posting to promote his own webpage.

Even if his page were to be informative, his motives for posting these links are ulterior to actually helping anyone. He has been warned about doing this by another moderator.
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Folks this user is just posting to promote his own webpage.

Even if his page were to be informative, his motives for posting these links are ulterior to actually helping anyone. He has been warned about doing this by another moderator.
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Ill informed suggests that this is not coming from people with first had experience. We all know the ratings are for fantastic battery life, and clearly at least half of the users of this phone are getting that battery life. It's also clear that through some glitch in the phone, that there IS a problem somewhere actually draining the battery.

I'll use yesterday as an example:

I charged the phone overnight, turned off, on the home charger
10:15 AM - I removed the phone from the charger and turned it on
11:00 AM - phone is reporting 70% battery life
12:00 PM - phone is reporting 50% battery life
1:00 PM - phone is reporting 15% battery life
3:00 PM - phone is dead, turned itself off

I made 0 phone calls, send 4 text messages and spent about 30 seconds on the app store. GPS was off, bluetooth was off and wi-fi was off.

Now, I understand a lot about battery conditioning. I've been a manager for RadioShack for 3 1/2 years, and I'm not one of the dumb ones who can't answer technical questions. I know fully draining and fully charging is the best way to go, and I've done that.

Clearly there are methods to get good battery life when it starts off bad on this phone. But coming from someone who's owned a dozen phones and sold thousands, I know that you shouldn't have to spend a week conditioning your battery to make it useful.
Couple of things here, from experience. You wouldn't happen to spend time in a fringe 3g area would you? Switching back and forth from 3g is a huge energy drain. We live in a fringe zone and have a Airave for calls. The Airave doesn't cover data. I use wifi at home but if I leave mobile data on, my battery will last maybe 5 hours untouched. Turn mobile data off and I'll get more than 3x that and wifi is still on. Also, have you tried getting your battery swapped? My wife's Pre got horrible battery life. I got the battery replaced free from a Sprint repair center and the new one has almost double the capacity. No conditioning issue, just 2 batteries at opposite ends of what is probably considered acceptable (if they're even tested, that is). FWIW, I used a 3 battery rotation with my Touch Pro, always carrying a spare and having 1 in the charger. I rarely made it through the day with 1 battery and occasionally completely drained 2. So far, the Moment has always made it through a complete day on one charge.
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How To Maximize Battery Life on the SPH-M900 SAMSUNG

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if that link dont work then its on here

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LOL, no. Condition the battery (let it run dead, and I mean dead dead. Then recharge over night to top off the charge).

Most people that complain about the battery life, are thinking that the 15% warning is the end of the battery... when actually there are several hours remaining after that 15% mark (my phone went on for 8hrs of moderate-heavy usage after the 15% warning).

The phone has a terrible time judging the amount of charge in the battery, and by draining it all the way down, and charging it all the way back up, the phone/battery learns the extent of its own run time.

So that's it. The #1 way to get the most out of this phone is to repeat that battery conditioning cycle for 3-4 days in a row. Doing that will make your phone last much longer above 15%.

I would be surprised if it was possible to kill this phone in under 10hrs without intentionally doing everything possible to kill it. The general consensus in the battery thread is that, under normal usage, you're likely to easily hit 12+hours of run time (several have reported 30+ hours, right now I am at about 24hrs and still going).

My phone lasts 12 hours of texting, browsing, etc. after I did this trick. So, I do agree with you. =)
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My phone lasts 12 hours of texting, browsing, etc. after I did this trick. So, I do agree with you. =)
Woooow, ignore that earlier post
Thank you, but that was prior to the CL14 up and not at all necessary anymore IMO.
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Well, for a nube stumbling in for the first time, it saved time from doing some incryptic search. As a mod myself (another website), posting dup info is not a good thing.. However, as a mod, why not "move" it to the correct forum instead of slaming the poster? Seems reasonable. As far as his info, informative. No mater where the link takes you. Just my 2%.

As far as these batteries go. Who are we kidding. He said, she said. My Moment makes it to 12 hours if I don't use it. It's been "conditioned" and it's no better. More I use it, faster it dies. I mean it shuts itself down. I've got 3 extra batteries. One is even tagged as SAMSUNG and 2 generics. Right now, my complaint isn't the battery life but what battery will REALLY work in these things where I don't get a "Not approved battery".. Is there a work around for this. Got a wall charger for the generics that charge the "samsung" extra battery but this is a joke. Are these phones mated to ONE battery or something? Can't charge the phone other then the orig battery that came with it when using it's supplied charger or car charger. Let me guess, there's an "app" out there for it?
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You do realize that you're responding to a post that's almost a year old?
Also, the last I checked, Zumaki wasn't a mod, so criticizing him for not moving a thread is unwarranted. This thread was started by a user who's only aim was to draw hits to his site. The info wasn't significant when posted and is even less so now IMHO. Certainly not worth adding to the guide sticky.

The not approved battery thing is frustrating and shame on Samsung for doing this. My guess is that the Samsung battery you have is not for the Moment, but another similar model. Unless it's branded specifically for the Moment, you may get a not approved warning. I bought a couple of not approved batteries with a wall charger off ebay. While not being able to charge them in the phone is a little inconvenient, it only cost me $9 including shipping which cost the seller ~$3. From my standpoint, the charger is worth that alone, I don't know how they can sell this so cheap and make a profit. I also have an extra approved battery which I got for free by politely asking for it at a Sprint repair center.
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