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can you update the link? it says page not found.
It works fine for me. I'm on my phone and it comes up.
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A nice, skinny LTE phone? So it CAN be done!
I figured if anyone could do it samsung would be one of the first to do it.
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Very nice! So this shows Sammy can do it. This has 800Mhz LTE not for US, but swapping it with 700Mhz LTE wouldn't be that big deal hopefully.
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Very nice! So this shows Sammy can do it. This has 800Mhz LTE not for US, but swapping it with 700Mhz LTE wouldn't be that big deal hopefully.
I was thinking the same thing. Come on verizon make it happen lol.
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Meh. It has a 1.5Ghz Snapdragon. The Exynos would rip that apart clock for clock. I'd still get it even if it had the Snapdragon.
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Meh. It has a 1.5Ghz Snapdragon. The Exynos would rip that apart clock for clock. I'd still get it even if it had the Snapdragon.
I prefer exynos too. But this dual core snapdragon like in Evo3D is not bad either. I saw AnTuTu on 1.2Ghz Exynos vs 1.5Ghz 8X60 snapdragon and dual snapdragon performed better on memory/IO scores and Exynos won on gaming, graphics scores. But at the same clock Exynos would be on par even on memory scores. My concern is battery life at 1.5Ghz speed.
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Very nice! So this shows Sammy can do it. This has 800Mhz LTE not for US, but swapping it with 700Mhz LTE wouldn't be that big deal hopefully.
This makes me sad. The fact that it's 800MHz proves it's not for US. All you're looking at is what's next for Europe.

It's like watching UPS deliver a beautiful 50' 3D HD tv to your neighbor's house and salivating over it, wondering if the truck is going to stop at your house next.

 
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This makes me sad. The fact that it's 800MHz proves it's not for US. All you're looking at is what's next for Europe.

It's like watching UPS deliver a beautiful 50' 3D HD tv to your neighbor's house and salivating over it, wondering if the truck is going to stop at your house next.

Yeah, but who knows. Maybe they have been developing 700Mhz LTE together but very quietly for Verizon or soon after this. I don't think 700Mhz vs 800Mhz LTE requires drastic redesign of phone.
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Yeah, but who knows. Maybe they have been developing 700Mhz LTE together but very quietly for Verizon or soon after this. I don't think 700Mhz vs 800Mhz LTE requires drastic redesign of phone.

I hope you're right. I hope that stupid roadmap that looked like something I'd cook up on my Excel is accurate!

If they release the same day, it's a no-brainer getting the SGSII.
 
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I hope you're right. I hope that stupid roadmap that looked like something I'd cook up on my Excel is accurate!

If they release the same day, it's a no-brainer getting the SGSII.
Thats what we are all hoping.
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For what it's worth, if you look at the specs..

The APQ8060 is Qualcomm's 45nm dual-core Snapdragon with Adreno 220.. with NO modem.

The radio is Qualcomm's MDM9200.. which is a standalone modem chip that provides the UMTS connectivity.

This is different than most of the Snapdragon SOCs which have the modem as part of a single chip, making it difficult to add any secondary connectivity.

A setup like this is basically similar to the HTC Thunderbolt (but different than the Charge or Revo).. except that the Thunderbolt uses the MSM8655 (which includes a full 1x/EVDO baseband.. but is only used for 1x). The Thunderbolt uses the MDM9600 for LTE connectivity (same as the MDM9200 plus support for CDMA radios.. 1x/EVDO), unfortunately duplicating the function of the MSM8655 1x/EVDO basebands..

Perhaps all this redundant silicon is what causes some of the power hunger of the Thunderbolt.

You could extrapolate that this means the way is paved for a simple architecture in a EVDO capable Galaxy S II.. because it simply means replacing the MDM9200 with a MDM9600. No worries about integrating the existing baseband.

The sacrifice is still no simultaneous data and voice/text when connected ONLY to 3G... but I think everyone is willing to live with this at this point. Only the Thunderbolt is capable of this.. not even the Charge or Revo..
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For what it's worth, if you look at the specs..

The APQ8060 is Qualcomm's 45nm dual-core Snapdragon with Adreno 220.. with NO modem.

The radio is Qualcomm's MDM9200.. which is a standalone modem chip that provides the UMTS connectivity.

This is different than most of the Snapdragon SOCs which have the modem as part of a single chip, making it difficult to add any secondary connectivity.

A setup like this is basically similar to the HTC Thunderbolt (but different than the Charge or Revo).. except that the Thunderbolt uses the MSM8655 (which includes a full 1x/EVDO baseband.. but is only used for 1x). The Thunderbolt uses the MDM9600 for LTE connectivity (same as the MDM9200 plus support for CDMA radios.. 1x/EVDO), unfortunately duplicating the function of the MSM8655 1x/EVDO basebands..

Perhaps all this redundant silicon is what causes some of the power hunger of the Thunderbolt.

You could extrapolate that this means the way is paved for a simple architecture in a EVDO capable Galaxy S II.. because it simply means replacing the MDM9200 with a MDM9600. No worries about integrating the existing baseband.

The sacrifice is still no simultaneous data and voice/text when connected ONLY to 3G... but I think everyone is willing to live with this at this point. Only the Thunderbolt is capable of this.. not even the Charge or Revo..
Thanks for nice explanation on processor and modem chips. Do you have any idea why they are replacing Exynos with dual core Snapdragon in LTE SGS2? Just curious why it can't be done with Exynos though I'm fine with dual snapdragon.
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Thanks for nice explanation on processor and modem chips. Do you have any idea why they are replacing Exynos with dual core Snapdragon in LTE SGS2? Just curious why it can't be done with Exynos though I'm fine with dual snapdragon.
Maybe they were having issues with lte and exynos?
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My understanding is that the architecture of the chip just doesn't play well with LTE...
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Here's more on the LTE version of SGS2:

Samsung Galaxy S II with Motorola Droid Bionic like feature unearthed

Not much, but the LTE version apparently supports a 1750mAh battery instead of the SGS2's 1650mAh.

WHICH MEANS TO US: LTE and a probably better battery equals great data rates and longer life! I think the Bionic is looking cheesier by the day, if the Stratosphere is anything like this baby. And I'd like to think it is
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Here's more on the LTE version of SGS2:

Samsung Galaxy S II with Motorola Droid Bionic like feature unearthed

Not much, but the LTE version apparently supports a 1750mAh battery instead of the SGS2's 1650mAh.

WHICH MEANS TO US: LTE and a probably better battery equals great data rates and longer life! I think the Bionic is looking cheesier by the day, if the Stratosphere is anything like this baby. And I'd like to think it is
If verizon gets a nonslider version of this beast I am in!!!!!!

What excites me the most about what has leaked about this phone is that the LTE hasn't made that much thicker!!!!

LTE Samsung Galaxy S II Pops Up in Korea Sporting 4.5″ Screen and Dual-core 1.5GHz Snapdragon Processor, We All Dance a Jig - Droid Life: A Droid Community Blog

The specs at the bottom list it at 9.39mm thick... to put that in perspective an Iphone 4 is 9.3mm!!! This LTE packing beast is only .09mm thicker than an Iphone
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Here's more on the LTE version of SGS2:

Samsung Galaxy S II with Motorola Droid Bionic like feature unearthed

Not much, but the LTE version apparently supports a 1750mAh battery instead of the SGS2's 1650mAh.

WHICH MEANS TO US: LTE and a probably better battery equals great data rates and longer life! I think the Bionic is looking cheesier by the day, if the Stratosphere is anything like this baby. And I'd like to think it is
I hope it has lte but I'm not going to get my hopes up. I think there is a reason verizon is not leaking anything about this phone and it is looking like its because its a slider but lets hope I am wrong and we do get a version like this.
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Thanks for nice explanation on processor and modem chips. Do you have any idea why they are replacing Exynos with dual core Snapdragon in LTE SGS2? Just curious why it can't be done with Exynos though I'm fine with dual snapdragon.
I dont know but if i had to guess i would say either:
- supply issues we have seen gs2 with other cpus like tegra2
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- integration issues with qualcomm lte issues like seen with tegra2 in bionic
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- maybe exynos doesnt come without radio which would lead to duplicate silicon like in thunderbolt

Just some speculation..
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The fact that Samsung just made LTE 800Mhz phone using pretty much the same baseband silicon that was designed two years ago, and still managed to make a sleek design, I don't see why wouldn't the same exact LTE phone come out in the U.S. on the 700Mhz band 13... I was actually hoping that the new 28nm Qualcomm chipsets would come out earlier, so that power consumption is lower, and battery life longer, but it looks like Samsung managed to make a beautiful thin LTE phone.
Now I'm convinced we will be getting 700Mhz GS2 in a month!!! wow!
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I dont know but if i had to guess i would say either:
- supply issues we have seen gs2 with other cpus like tegra2
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- maybe exynos doesnt come without radio which would lead to duplicate silicon like in thunderbolt

Just some speculation..
I don't think Exynos has integrated 3G radio chips like Qualcomm snapdragons. Tegra2, OMAP4 don't have it either as far as I know. So they can be used for GSM and CDMA phones.

I think it's either Exynos supply issue or Samsung found it more power efficient with dual core snapdragon 8X60 AP and LTE radio.
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I don't think Exynos has integrated 3G radio chips like Qualcomm snapdragons. Tegra2, OMAP4 don't have it either as far as I know. So they can be used for GSM and CDMA phones.

I think it's either Exynos supply issue or Samsung found it more power efficient with dual core snapdragon 8X60 AP and LTE radio.
Only few companies have licensing agreements to develop CDMA and GSM chipsets.
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Only few companies have licensing agreements to develop CDMA and GSM chipsets.
Right. As far as I know, only Qualcomm has integrated radio chips in AP like dual core snapdragon 8260 for GSM and 8660 for CDMA. But this one in Sammy's LTE SGS2 is probably APQ 8X60 without integrated 3G like someone pointed out before.
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Meh. It has a 1.5Ghz Snapdragon. The Exynos would rip that apart clock for clock. I'd still get it even if it had the Snapdragon.
Wrong. The 1.5ghz outperforms the Exynos 1.2. If both are at 1.2 the Exynos wins. Anandtech has previously benchmarked the 1.5ghz qualcomm and the results are clearly ahead of the Exynos (at 1.2).
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Wrong. The 1.5ghz outperforms the Exynos 1.2. If both are at 1.2 the Exynos wins. Anandtech has previously benchmarked the 1.5ghz qualcomm and the results are clearly ahead of the Exynos (at 1.2).
So then why are you comparing them? they are still very close and the qualcomm is clocked higher and still only slightly edges the exynos.
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Heck, either one's a step up from what we have now! Give me some decent battery life and I'll take whichever comes out
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I don't think Exynos has integrated 3G radio chips like Qualcomm snapdragons. Tegra2, OMAP4 don't have it either as far as I know. So they can be used for GSM and CDMA phones.

I think it's either Exynos supply issue or Samsung found it more power efficient with dual core snapdragon 8X60 AP and LTE radio.
More baseless speculation..

Samsung is moving a LOT of phones.. and I think they may be looking ahead to potential supply issues.. they have enough of a bottleneck with their own SAMOLED displays. I think it might be asking for trouble to expect to be able to fab all their SOCs in house, too..

The Exynos, at the very least, is competitive with the Scorpion cores..

I think its paving the way for Samsung to migrate to 28nm Snapdragons.. I don't think Samsung is going to have the 28nm capacity to meet the demand for the next gen Galaxy..

No sense in getting caught out by lagging on the transition to 28nm, especially for a company that prides itself on thin, efficient phones. Maybe Motorola can get away with selling a pig, but not Samsung

Then there's definitely the power consumption issues.. the three US CDMA/LTE phones have proven that nobody has found a silver bullet yet..
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Wrong. The 1.5ghz outperforms the Exynos 1.2. If both are at 1.2 the Exynos wins. Anandtech has previously benchmarked the 1.5ghz qualcomm and the results are clearly ahead of the Exynos (at 1.2).
Notice I said clock for clock the Exynos is better. Your statement just confirmed what I had previously said.
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Notice I said clock for clock the Exynos is better. Your statement just confirmed what I had previously said.
Liter for liter, the 4cyl engine in a hyundai is more efficient than the v8 in mustang.. but at the end of the day the mustang still has more power..

This is an absurdist comparison, but if the exynos isnt yielding over 1.2ghz on samsung's processes.. it doesn't matter that its more clock efficient, it still will lose out on absolute power..

Though I can't seem to find any benchmarks on Anandtech with Exynos vs dual-core Snapdragon..
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Liter for liter, the 4cyl engine in a hyundai is more efficient than the v8 in mustang.. but at the end of the day the mustang still has more power..

This is an absurdist comparison, but if the exynos isnt yielding over 1.2ghz on samsung's processes.. it doesn't matter that its more clock efficient, it still will lose out on absolute power..

Though I can't seem to find any benchmarks on Anandtech with Exynos vs dual-core Snapdragon..
I remember that anandtech benchmark too. But Exynos was not there as far as I recall. They were criticized for comparing 1.5Ghz dual snapdragon in qualcomm test device against 1.0Ghz Tegra2, OMAP4 phones (Atrix, G2X, LG 3D) and claiming snapdragon is faster.
I think Exynos is still holding the overall performance edge at the same clock based on other benchmarks I saw, but 1.5Ghz dual snapdragon is certainly strong performer too. It's working productivity tasks very well.
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Then there's definitely the power consumption issues.. the three US CDMA/LTE phones have proven that nobody has found a silver bullet yet..
The silver bullet would be a baseband chipset created on a much smaller die than 45nm which is current Qualcomm's technology. Qualcomm is due to release 28nm radios Q3 2011. I truly hope they will meet their deadline so we can get more mature and less power hungry LTE devices.
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More baseless speculation..

Samsung is moving a LOT of phones.. and I think they may be looking ahead to potential supply issues.. they have enough of a bottleneck with their own SAMOLED displays. I think it might be asking for trouble to expect to be able to fab all their SOCs in house, too..

The Exynos, at the very least, is competitive with the Scorpion cores..

I think its paving the way for Samsung to migrate to 28nm Snapdragons.. I don't think Samsung is going to have the 28nm capacity to meet the demand for the next gen Galaxy..

No sense in getting caught out by lagging on the transition to 28nm, especially for a company that prides itself on thin, efficient phones. Maybe Motorola can get away with selling a pig, but not Samsung

Then there's definitely the power consumption issues.. the three US CDMA/LTE phones have proven that nobody has found a silver bullet yet..
You have some interesting observations on APs. I wonder what AP they are planning for SGSIII next year. Some sources said samsung will make quad core Exynos that will be slotted in SGSIII next year. But others recently said they will use 28nm 4th gen snapdragon S4 89X0 with integrated LTE soon. It looks like they are taking later approach for LTE SGS2 at this time.
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You have some interesting observations on APs. I wonder what AP they are planning for SGSIII next year. Some sources said samsung will make quad core Exynos that will be slotted in SGSIII next year. But others recently said they will use 28nm 4th gen snapdragon S4 89X0 with integrated LTE soon. It looks like they are taking later approach for LTE SGS2 at this time.
Yea, the slim factor of the Galaxy S2 is a tough value prop for Samsung to hold up..

Just look at the size of the board:
http://guide-images.ifixit.net/igi/dko2oBWWbgsSvhKq.large
http://guide-images.ifixit.net/igi/GVUGCVdx2BMSHVe3.large

It's TINY.. you can see why no duplicate silicon is such an issue

Compare it to the board of a Droid Charge:

http://images.anandtech.com/doci/4465/ChargePCB2.PNG

Lots of space and three separate chips.. the VIA baseband, the Hummingbird AP, and the Samsung CMC2200

It's huge by comparison..
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I remember that anandtech benchmark too. But Exynos was not there as far as I recall. They were criticized for comparing 1.5Ghz dual snapdragon in qualcomm test device against 1.0Ghz Tegra2, OMAP4 phones (Atrix, G2X, LG 3D) and claiming snapdragon is faster.
I think Exynos is still holding the overall performance edge at the same clock based on other benchmarks I saw, but 1.5Ghz dual snapdragon is certainly strong performer too. It's working productivity tasks very well.
It's perfectly valid to compare 1.5GHz dual snap to 1.0GHz other chips if those are the max clock rates shipping at a given time. Clock-for-clock comparisons are interesting for contrasting chip designs, but it doesn't help when choosing actual retail products.
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