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I wonder if the apple lawsuit is the reason the sgs2 isn't stateside yet since samsung fears they will try and ban sales here in the us? Since it seems apple is trying to do that everywhere.

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It's stupefying to me to believe that a bunch of fanboi judges actually sided with crApple and stopped Samsung from selling Galaxy Tabs in the EU. Jobs must truly believe he has a right to sell whatever he wants without any competition!

Now, with iOS 5 coming out with "innovations" such as drop-down notifications, speech-to-text and widgets, I hope Google slaps an individual lawsuit against crApple for each "feature" that they lifted straight from Android. If we can keep Jobs on the defensive, maybe we'll actually get some decent Android products on the market without paying eye-watering subsidized prices for them...
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As I mentioned in Bionic forum, Google really needs to step up on this and they are actually in good position to sue Apple for iOS5 copying several Android features straight.

And when news like this is popping up every so often, it seems more and more apparent that Apple is resorting to lawsuits rather than trying to compete on the strength of their products.

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But google doesn't have that patented sadly so most likely apple will try and patent it then sue those who use it. Apple clearly is using patents because they can a Jude needs to stand up and rule these down because apple isn't protecting innovation they want no competition.
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But google doesn't have that patented sadly so most likely apple will try and patent it then sue those who use it. Apple clearly is using patents because they can a Jude needs to stand up and rule these down because apple isn't protecting innovation they want no competition.
This is not usually how it works. most of the recent lawsuits against Google's Android is based off of this "portfolio of patents"This portfolio of patents pretty much covers wide ranges of vague conceptual ideas that could be implemented on any technology. This basically means that almost EVERYTHING is covered by this "portfolio" in someway or another.

Recently, Apple bought this porfolio for billions of dollars(not sure of exact figure, but i think its around billions). Now they are suing aloott of companies. and they get like 10 bucks for every HTC android device sold.

In the industry, we used to call douches who does this "submariners", but now they evolved into what we call "uber trolls". US patent laws have been changing to somewhat limit this bs patent suits, but people keep finding new ways.

Btw, Google did try to buy the same porfolio, but got outbidded. Not sure if Google was planning to sue others with the portfolio or maybe just buy to protect themselves.
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And when news like this is popping up every so often, it seems more and more apparent that Apple is resorting to lawsuits rather than trying to compete on the strength of their products.
They can't go toe to toe with Android offerings by innovating and providing new features at a faster rate because it would completely kill their business model. If they put out a phone that competed with the Galaxy S2, they'd kill their roadmap for the next 5 years.
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They can't go toe to toe with Android offerings by innovating and providing new features at a faster rate because it would completely kill their business model. If they put out a phone that competed with the Galaxy S2, they'd kill their roadmap for the next 5 years.
Very true apple makes incremental upgrades where as android makes huge upgrades every few months. The apple drones don't demand as much which is why android has 4g and apple is sticking with 3G so next year when they add it they can say it is revolutionary when android has had it for over a year by that time.
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Looks like Apple doesn't think Samsung is the only one copying them. Really how many ways can android device designed to avoid their lawsuit attack?

Apple hits Motorola with suit in Europe over design of the XOOM | PhoneDog
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Looks like Apple doesn't think Samsung is the only one copying them. Really how many ways can android device designed to avoid their lawsuit attack?

Apple hits Motorola with suit in Europe over design of the XOOM | PhoneDog
I wish Archos would sue the pants off Apple and make 50% of every maxiPad sold from now on, not to mention a couple hundred million for all the ones that have been sold so far.
 
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I think all the oems need to get together and squash this bs with apple. Buy whatever patents you need to google make it happen.
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Really how many ways can android device designed to avoid their lawsuit attack?
None, if crApple has anything to do with it. They are secretly terrified of Android. Yes, they out sell us (no comment about the majority of their buyers), but we're far more prevalent with scores of devices while they have less than half a dozen. I occasionally read fanboi articles about the demise of Android, just to get my blood boiling (helps prevent low blood pressure ). If Android doesn't successfully counter-sue and defend itself, I would hate to think they're right.
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None, if crApple has anything to do with it. They are secretly terrified of Android. Yes, they out sell us (no comment about the majority of their buyers), but we're far more prevalent with scores of devices while they have less than half a dozen. I occasionally read fanboi articles about the demise of Android, just to get my blood boiling (helps prevent low blood pressure ). If Android doesn't successfully counter-sue and defend itself, I would hate to think they're right.
Agree it's like listening of a bunch of middle schoolers argue that what they have should be the only thing and nothing else deserves to exist. Always a good read just the insanely ignorant apple comments.
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I'm really sick of this. Google's got to do something on this pretty soon.
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I'm really sick of this. Google's got to do something on this pretty soon.
Agree. Even if they have to pull and apple and start paying people off so that these ridiculous lawsuits get dropped by a judge who has any common sense and shoots these patents and lawsuits down.
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What a friggin' minute... what's wrong with THIS picture?

Apple looks to Samsung as LG fails to meet iPad 2 display demands, report claims

crApple sues the poop out of Samsung and then expects them to bail them out of a parts shortage??? OH, but to be Samsung CEO and have 5 minutes with Steve Jobs...
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Apple looks to Samsung as LG fails to meet iPad 2 display demands, report claims

crApple sues the poop out of Samsung and then expects them to bail them out of a parts shortage??? OH, but to be Samsung CEO and have 5 minutes with Steve Jobs...

Well, if Apple got Samsung banned from selling the Tab in Europe, Samsung is going to need the money.

Samsung's response will reveal whether they have any dignity or not.
 
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Of course the display division and the phone division are two separate animals within Samsung... I sometimes get the feeling that all this drama is orchestrated in smoke-filled backrooms and we're the unwitting victims who pay more and more for everything regardless of the "winners" and "losers".
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Well, if Apple got Samsung banned from selling the Tab in Europe, Samsung is going to need the money.

Samsung's response will reveal whether they have any dignity or not.
They don't need money you realize how many things they make? Just because apple is blocking tablet sales in a few places it is still selling in other places not to mention all the phones they sell worldwide.
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The reason phones are so expensive now is all because of lawsuits. They build that into the final price so when things like this happen they are covered.
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crApple sues the poop out of Samsung and then expects them to bail them out of a parts shortage??? OH, but to be Samsung CEO and have 5 minutes with Steve Jobs...
If I were Samsung, I'd sell them LCDs at $1000 a piece. Problem is, Apple would probably just turn around and sell the iPads for $3000...and sadly, people would be lined up around the block to buy them.
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Yes, they out sell us
I heard somewhere that every 2 Iphones sold, 7 Android is being sold

so i think it is safe to say Android is outselling Idevices and Apple is threatened by it
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I heard somewhere that every 2 Iphones sold, 7 Android is being sold

so i think it is safe to say Android is outselling Idevices and Apple is threatened by it
I think that's due more to Android being available on more carriers and more networks worldwide than the iPhone. But I do think Apple is secretly terrified of Android's rise in popularity. Hence the lawsuits.
 
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I think that's due more to Android being available on more carriers and more networks worldwide than the iPhone. But I do think Apple is secretly terrified of Android's rise in popularity. Hence the lawsuits.
The iphone is on just as many networks as android is except for maybe sprint and tmo. Worldwide they have had an iphone on pretty much all international carriers.
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If I were Samsung, I'd sell them LCDs at $1000 a piece. Problem is, Apple would probably just turn around and sell the iPads for $3000...and sadly, people would be lined up around the block to buy them.
If I were samsung, I'd end parts business with them and focus on mobile products. But it would be very tough to give up multi-billion chips, display parts business as their semiconductor division will take big hit in revenue. I think one of Apple's goal in this lawsuit is to pressure them to lower the cost of parts.
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crApple sues the poop out of Samsung and then expects them to bail them out of a parts shortage??? OH, but to be Samsung CEO and have 5 minutes with Steve Jobs...
Nothing wrong with it. Samsung besides copying GUI and industrial design (even packaging) also makes legit chips, and very beautiful lcd panels. It's all business. Apple is a legit customer and have been throwing billions of $$$ over the past decade to Samsung purchasing flash memory, chips and panels. It's all clean business conduct.
How would you feel if your business partner starts blatantly ripping off your smartphone UI, design, etc... Not cool.
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Nothing wrong with it. Samsung besides copying GUI and industrial design (even packaging) also makes legit chips, and very beautiful lcd panels. It's all business. Apple is a legit customer and have been throwing billions of $$$ over the past decade to Samsung purchasing flash memory, chips and panels. It's all clean business conduct.
How would you feel if your business partner starts blatantly ripping off your smartphone UI, design, etc... Not cool.
I can see your point. But problem is Apple's claimed right is too broad and vague and can be used to sue any others at their will. It's mostly about design concept and look/feel, not about patent on specific technology or component. I don't think any android device with slim touch screen, icons on grid can get around this.

Samsung is on their lawsuit crosshair right now just because they feel threatened by success of Galaxy devices. Sure, original TW looks too much iOSish, but new TW 4.0 is quite different. Even if they didn't make big physical home button on international SGS devices, Apple would have sued I think. Remember they also attacked HTC, Motorola in lawsuits though on smaller scale. I think they are ultimately attacking Google by troubling android device manufacturers.
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I was almost set to buy tab 10.1 for its beautiful screen, slim design but bought eee pad transformer instead yesterday. I was too scared of Steve Jobs if I buy tab 10.1 lol.
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So Apple surpasses Exxon as the worlds most valuable company. Sounds about right. When I think of overpriced, the first two things that come to mind are Apple products and gasoline.
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I take solice in knowing in the past, a revolutionary product was created, and then its patent holders spent the majority of their time litigating instead of innovating after the initial discovery, they ended up with a failed business, while their competitors improved on the design to have a better product, as well as to get passed any danger of violating said patents.
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Even if they didn't make big physical home button on international SGS devices, Apple would have sued I think. Remember they also attacked HTC, Motorola in lawsuits though on smaller scale. I think they are ultimately attacking Google by troubling android device manufacturers.
Samsung just simply went overboard to imitate as blatant as possible. They even went after the packaging which reminds me of chinese knock-off iPhones except not done cheaply. Basically they've almost tried to see how far they could possibly go without being sued. Apple righteously wanted to set some boundaries. Samsung and everyone else would simply just keep copying whatever Apple created which essentially defeats the point of innovating...
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Someone posted this on Engadget:


Samsung digital picture frame stores pics, movies, music -- Engadget

Now....Apple may be suing Motorola for the Xoom. I find that really funny. But this digital picture frame...at least for the iPad part of the suit about looks vs. the Xoom...cmon.

If anything Samsung might can get the hardware part dropped...and sue Motorola themselves..lol

Even the Galaxy S phones...think about it:

Bigger home button, and a button on either side on some models.

Volume rocker on the GS phones, volume buttons on the iPhone.

I think the hardware parts of the suits can be dropped especially if Samsung has prior phones that have a similar design. I mean the F700 had a big home button. Apple never named it in the lawsuits.

And speaking of Apple and innovation:

http://gizmodo.com/343641/1960s-braun-products-hold-the-secrets-to-apples-future

Wonder what would happen if Apple could be sued for this...
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Apple may have manipulated images in Samsung case | Wireless - CNET News
 
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Point, Apple: Court Issues EU-Wide Preliminary Injunction On Galaxy Smartphones | TechCrunch

And again... SGSII injunction in EU
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These lawsuits only serve to convince me not to buy any Apple products.
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Now they are fighting back.

[Update] Judge: Only the Gallery Infringement Claim is Valid, Samsung Will Continue to Sell Phones Pending Application Update
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AH HA! So Apple actually lifted "innovations" from other phones! Typical.
I hope that triggers more suits against Apple and Apple loses.
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Thanks for the calm voice of reason, BringItSon. I do IP for a tech company for a living (not electronics though) and it is really interesting how public opinion, copmetition, patent holder rights, and the market place sometimes work great together and sometimes collide into something nuclear.

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This is not usually how it works. most of the recent lawsuits against Google's Android is based off of this "portfolio of patents"This portfolio of patents pretty much covers wide ranges of vague conceptual ideas that could be implemented on any technology. This basically means that almost EVERYTHING is covered by this "portfolio" in someway or another.

Recently, Apple bought this porfolio for billions of dollars(not sure of exact figure, but i think its around billions). Now they are suing aloott of companies. and they get like 10 bucks for every HTC android device sold.

In the industry, we used to call douches who does this "submariners", but now they evolved into what we call "uber trolls". US patent laws have been changing to somewhat limit this bs patent suits, but people keep finding new ways.

Btw, Google did try to buy the same porfolio, but got outbidded. Not sure if Google was planning to sue others with the portfolio or maybe just buy to protect themselves.
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Ouch!! Apple has dealt Samsung a HUGE blow.

Sales of Samsung Galaxy S, S II banned by Netherlands judge in Apple patent case
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So both these article are from the Netherlands. Which one is most current? The ban or the ruling that Apple doesn't have a leg to stand on in all but one patent?
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Looks like you didn't see this later development I posted above. Now they somewhat minimized damage in Europe and fight is still going on.

[Update] Judge: Only the Gallery Infringement Claim is Valid, Samsung Will Continue to Sell Phones Pending Application Update

But more importantly, now Steve Jobs is leaving Apple! So this can't go too long I think.

Steve Jobs resigns as CEO of Apple -- Engadget
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Wow...the world is ending. This is a sign.

Seriously though, big news indeed
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and now this. Samsung Mobile's Kim Titus released the following statement

Today's ruling is an affirmation that the GALAXY range of products is innovative and distinctive. With regard to the single infringement cited in the ruling, we will take all possible measures including legal action to ensure that there is no disruption in the availability of our GALAXY smartphones to Dutch consumers. This ruling is not expected to affect sales in other European markets. Samsung has a proud history of innovation in the mobile industry. We will continue our plans to introduce new products and technologies that meet and exceed consumer expectations. And we will defend our intellectual property rights through the ongoing legal proceedings around the world.


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Update 2: According to Tweakers.net, Samsung says that it will replace the software that infringes on Apple's patent (the Gallery application, specifically), which should allow it to continue to sell the phones. Notably, that Gallery application is the standard Android one used in Android 2.3, which also explains why the Galaxy Tab 10.1 is not affected by this ruling. Less clear is what the ruling means for other Android phones that use the same application.


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The major thing to take from this is Apple tried to throw the kitchen sink at Samsung....and only one screw stuck. And that screw can be replaced with a different one.

This was a complete waste of time IMO. Well....not on Samsung's part. Hopefully this will set a major precedence about products looking similar.

Devices that helped Samsung in their case:

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ALL before the iPhone and iPad.
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Was the Apple Newton mentioned in this at all?
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^lol...good point. Hey, if it was it wasnt enough to help Apple..
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The major thing to take from this is Apple tried to throw the kitchen sink at Samsung....and only one screw stuck. And that screw can be replaced with a different one.

This was a complete waste of time IMO. Well....not on Samsung's part. Hopefully this will set a major precedence about products looking similar.

Devices that helped Samsung in their case:

LG Prada
Neonode phone
Knight Ridder tablet
Samsung Digital Photo Frame
HP Compaq TC1100
Nokia 7710

ALL before the iPhone and iPad.
Additional items of assistance in Samsung's case:

*high broad-spectrum-absorption materials (AKA things that appear black)
*glass
*the rectangle
*push button contact switches
*small radius rounded corner

Pretty sure that none of these items has been patented by Apple (though they certainly may have attempted it).
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