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Old August 22nd, 2011, 08:01 AM   #51 (permalink)
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No, that seems simple and reasonable, actually. I just can't believe that Motorola still would have exclusivity for X number of months as a result of their HUGE delays on the Bionic.

The only problem your explanation presents is how we'd be able to expect two phones from Samsung (SGSII and Prime) within such a short period of time. Unless the SGSII is not 4G and the Prime is. That would probably target two different sections of the customer base, making it possible that they would release during a short period of time.
Verizon owes Motorola BIG TIME for the whole Droid franchise that made both companies gazillions of dollars. Motorola is still Big Red's preferred OEM, so they get exclusivity even after months of delay...er, I mean "enhancements"

Samsung releases multiple phones all the time, targeted to different demographics. But this will be the first time (that I know of) that they've released TWO competing phones aimed at the same market segment. I hope you're wrong about the SGS2 being a 3G phone. Or a slider. Maybe the Prime will come out at an even higher price point, or the SGS2 subsidized and the Prime full retail. At any rate, it's fun to speculate about all this stuff in advance of the 29th

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Verizon owes Motorola BIG TIME for the whole Droid franchise that made both companies gazillions of dollars. Motorola is still Big Red's preferred OEM, so they get exclusivity even after months of delay...er, I mean "enhancements"

Samsung releases multiple phones all the time, targeted to different demographics. But this will be the first time (that I know of) that they've released TWO competing phones aimed at the same market segment. I hope you're wrong about the SGS2 being a 3G phone. Or a slider. Maybe the Prime will come out at an even higher price point, or the SGS2 subsidized and the Prime full retail. At any rate, it's fun to speculate about all this stuff in advance of the 29th
I agree that a lot of Verizon's smartphone success is due to the Droid franchise, but Verizon also happens to be the biggest, most reliable network in the world supposedly, which gives it a lot of leverage, and let's not forget that business is simply business.

If the deal was for Moto to release the Bionic in say, April or May like it was originally supposed to happen, then Moto would've gotten the whole stinking summer to be exclusive, and Sammy would've gotten the fall. Moto probably would've come out with the Targa (Bionic II?) in the Christmas shopping season after Samsung, and all would've been well. But I strongly suspect that Moto's marbles fell off and they ditched the original Bionic and instead focused on rushing the Targa, which is now the original Bionic.

Like I said, business is business. Verizon isn't going to go to Samsung and say, "Sorry there, mate, but Moto dropped the ball and now they have to release in the Fall. Would you mind losing a few million dollars and putting off your release?"

Doubtful. Samsung is going ahead with a major announcement in exactly one week, and then another one in Berlin on September 1. (If the Berlin one is to announce SGS3 exclusively for Europe, I'll be pissed; I don't want to get sloppy seconds. Although I suspect it might be the Prime. Still, those promo shots look like they're all taking place in Europe, so I'm a bit worried.)

I highly doubt that, with all the hoopla surrounding Samsung during this end of August/beginning of September period, Verizon will be shut out of the Sammy goodness.

Again, Moto has only itself to blame, in my opinion.
 
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Well, prepare to get pissed, Bluefire, because whatever they're announcing in Berlin is likely to be released everywhere BUT the United States for at least 6 months... just like the SGS2.

I would love nothing better than for the Stratosphere to be a mid-range phone, the REAL SGS2 a top-tier phone in September against Bionic; then Prime to be another top-tier phone against iPhone in October/November; then Dinara in December (not interested in that one) against NOTHING... again, giving Motorola an exclusive sales window opportunity.
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Well, prepare to get pissed, Bluefire, because whatever they're announcing in Berlin is likely to be released everywhere BUT the United States for at least 6 months


I'm seriously considering just waiting for the Prime. A rumored display around 4.65 inches with Super AMOLED HD makes up for the wait. If it happens that it doesn't come to Verizon (which would contradict the evidence up to this point), then I can always fall back on the Bionic.

I've never had a Samsung, but I hear great things about their phones, and those displays are just gorgeous. Why settle for quarter HD, when full HD might come in just another month or so?

And that will be the end of my wait. Prime or no Prime, I'm getting a phone in October. Anything over 720p won't tempt me, because 1080p takes too long to decode and the files are way too big. And I know I won't need anything over 2 cores, despite the quad-core rumor mill, because I can't fathom that there will be anything actually using all 4 cores for at least 2 to 3 years.

(As you can tell, display is of primary importance to me. 4G connectivity is second.)

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Sammy seems to be gearing up for major onslaught of super-phones this Fall. SGS2, SGS2 plus and Nexus Prime. Celox seems to be 4G SGS2 for Verizon from recent reports. I get my fingers crossed on it next Monday! And I think the Berlin event is probably about SGS2 plus (HD version of SGS2), and/or Prime.

As for delays on Sammy phones to US, I think the biggest reason is their watching Apple's move on iPhone5. So hopefully what they show in Berlin wouldn't take too long for US.
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Sammy seems to be gearing up for major onslaught of super-phones this Fall. SGS2, SGS2 plus and Nexus Prime. Celox seems to be 4G SGS2 for Verizon from recent reports. I get my fingers crossed on it next Monday! And I think the Berlin event is probably about SGS2 plus (HD version of SGS2), and/or Prime.

As for delays on Sammy phones to US, I think the biggest reason is their watching Apple's move on iPhone5. So hopefully what they show in Berlin wouldn't take too long for US.
I agree. Also, given that the Prime will be a Google phone, not a "samsung experience" phone with TouchWiz, etc., I doubt that it will be only in Europe to start off.

Hopefully the Berlin announcement will be about the Prime (their tagline is "Something big is coming"), with a release date in October (in the US, of course!)

But, the fact that the announcement is in Europe is somewhat scary.
 
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Well, I picture my OG's processor as an old man trying to run on a treadmill, beard and all.

I can't say I will get the Bionic if the SG2 doesn't drop or there is still no ETA - but I will say that if it's a slider they can F themselves.

Why are they not giving us hard facts and twitter teasing on occaision? To create a buzz, which they are successfully accomplishing.

For me it's SG2 (the candybar) or BUST. If it doesn't drop at all and they do a slider, then IDK what I will do.
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But, the fact that the announcement is in Europe is somewhat scary.
Sometimes I wonder why I don't go GSM and just drop coin on nice imported phones since they are always ahead of the curve.
I speak German, so what the hell
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I speak German, so what the hell
I thought the same thing, but then you wouldn't have true 4G speeds.

It's a no-win situation.
 
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AMEN... I had it in the back of my mind but thanks for reminding us that this is the LAST NE2 and early upgrade for Verizon. Sucks, but at least we have some boss phones coming out to choose from.

Now if they'll just get on about the business of actually releasing them
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If the deal was for Moto to release the Bionic in say, April or May like it was originally supposed to happen, then Moto would've gotten the whole stinking summer to be exclusive, and Sammy would've gotten the fall.
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Like I said, business is business. Verizon isn't going to go to Samsung and say, "Sorry there, mate, but Moto dropped the ball and now they have to release in the Fall. Would you mind losing a few million dollars and putting off your release?"
That sounds right to me. I wouldn't ordinarily expect two superphones to be released close to each other on the same carrier, but it doesn't seem reasonable that Moto's long delay should negatively affect Samsung -- quite the opposite, really.
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I read from some medias saying that Samsung's Berlin event will be mainly about their new Wave 3 phone using BADA 2.0 OS. This makes me a little worried. Hopefully that's not all they announce there.
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I read from some medias saying that Samsung's Berlin event will be mainly about their new Wave 3 phone using BADA 2.0 OS. This makes me a little worried. Hopefully that's not all they announce there.
I think the Berlin event will probably be their version of our event on August 29th.
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but it doesn't seem reasonable that Moto's long delay should negatively affect Samsung -- quite the opposite, really.
all bets are off since the Etna was canceled and the Bionic release delayed. They are not going to hold up a release schedule for one phone. The Galaxy SII is the most highly anticipated handset across all carriers right now. It sold 6 million units in the Europe, thats got somebody's attention. Verizon would be stupid to delay it and would probably be in breach of contract for doing so.

Like I said earlier, it's not their ideal release but it is what it is. The Bionic was delayed and they have no choice.
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I was really hoping for LTE SGSII on Verizon to have Exynos. But as of late, it seems like dual core snapdragon as seen in Celox. Since dual snapdragon is cortex A8 based, it needs to be at higher 1.5Ghz clock to match 1.2Ghz performance of exynos. I wonder why they couldn't marry Exynos with LTE when they could pair tegra2 with LTE in Tab 10.1. So I envy AT&T folks for their earlier SGSII release and Exynos processor.
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No, that seems simple and reasonable, actually. I just can't believe that Motorola still would have exclusivity for X number of months as a result of their HUGE delays on the Bionic.
Exactly. They should have lost that privilege, and I think they might have if the SGSII comes out within a week of the Bionic. For all we know, Verizon may be contractually obligated to get Samsung's offering out the door so it's a "too bad, Motorola" situation.

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The only problem your explanation presents is how we'd be able to expect two phones from Samsung (SGSII and Prime) within such a short period of time. Unless the SGSII is not 4G and the Prime is. That would probably target two different sections of the customer base, making it possible that they would release during a short period of time.
IMO, we aren't getting the Nexus Prime in early October. I would think more likely Thanksgiving time or December. Maybe the Prime will hit someone like T-Mobile in October, but not likely Verizon. Would love it if it did, though!
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Samsung releases multiple phones all the time, targeted to different demographics. But this will be the first time (that I know of) that they've released TWO competing phones aimed at the same market segment. I hope you're wrong about the SGS2 being a 3G phone. Or a slider. Maybe the Prime will come out at an even higher price point, or the SGS2 subsidized and the Prime full retail. At any rate, it's fun to speculate about all this stuff in advance of the 29th
It's a long shot, but maybe the Nexus Prime will end up as a sell-through device. If Google fronts the inventory costs rather than the carriers, that would at least ease the planning needs from an accounting standpoint. If that were the case, releasing a second top tier phone 4-6 weeks after the SGSII would be of little impact. Plus, Google would be advertising the phone, not Verizon so it would be more of a pure profit sale without any need for cost recovery through a minimum sale of X units.
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It's a long shot, but maybe the Nexus Prime will end up as a sell-through device. If Google fronts the inventory costs rather than the carriers, that would at least ease the planning needs from an accounting standpoint. If that were the case, releasing a second top tier phone 4-6 weeks after the SGSII would be of little impact. Plus, Google would be advertising the phone, not Verizon so it would be more of a pure profit sale without any need for cost recovery through a minimum sale of X units.
If this was the case, and Google decided to make it a sell-through device as you say, would they build it so that it's useable on all 4 major networks? I would seriously doubt they'd build a CDMA device unless they contracted to sell directly through Verizon. They've never done that before.
 
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Samsung just dropped a commercial for stateside SGSII. Nothing carrier specific.

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I read from some medias saying that Samsung's Berlin event will be mainly about their new Wave 3 phone using BADA 2.0 OS. This makes me a little worried. Hopefully that's not all they announce there.
Well hopefully they will include other handsets that were mentioned in the same leaked roadmap that had the BADA phones in it. Yes, Samsung came out and said that the details were not accurate in the leak, but the fact that they've never come out to address a leak before tells me that there is more than a grain of truth in it. Among the phones mentioned in the roadmap is the I9250, which is rumored to be the Prime since it has a huge screen and is running Ice Cream Sandwich.

Edit: I'm positive that the Wave 3 phone will be unveiled, now that I think about it, since the promo has a shot of ocean waves in it. I just hope that it's not the ONLY thing. . .

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I think the Berlin event will probably be their version of our event on August 29th.
I doubt it. The 29th event will be, I'm sure, exclusively SGSII related, given that the invitation has a galaxy in the background and the "II" on the bottom half of the page. There's no reason to hold an SGSII event in a continent where it's been available since the Spring. The tagline for the Berlin event is "Something BIG is coming". It might be wishful thinking, but hopefully they are talking about the big screen on the Prime, or whatever I9250 turns out to be. Whatever it is, it's going to be a phone, judging by their ad with people walking around holding giant golden-lighted things up to their ears.

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IMO, we aren't getting the Nexus Prime in early October. I would think more likely Thanksgiving time or December. Maybe the Prime will hit someone like T-Mobile in October, but not likely Verizon. Would love it if it did, though!
I'm worried about this, too. But the fact that ICS has been long-rumored to be coming in October, that means SOMETHING good is coming in around that time frame. Google wouldn't release 4.0 on an existing device. The easiest thing to imagine is that they would release it on their own, pure-android handset so that they can show it off as it's supposed to be. Prime fits the bill. The only thing, in my opinion, that derails an October launch of Prime is if the ICS rumors of October release are false, which they might very well be. Still, I can't see it delaying past Black Friday.

The biggest question, of course, is whether or not it's coming to Verizon. I think it's 50/50, although the sightings of a huge Samsung phone at Verizon HQ is very promising, and I can't imagine why Google wouldn't want to release an LTE phone, especially if it hopes to go head to head against iPhone, which is most likely coming out in October.

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Samsung just dropped a commercial for stateside SGSII. Nothing carrier specific.
Nice to see that the style is mostly the same as in Europe, minus the Apple button.

But they're claiming that the US version is super thin as well. This strongly suggests that it won't be 4G.

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Weep not for me, Bluefire. Well, maybe a little bit

If it's a 3G only device (REALLY hope it's not), then I'll still pick it up and use it till the next big thing comes out... be it Prime or Dinara. Then pass SGS2 on to daughter and use her upgrade for myself (heh heh heh)

If it's a QWERTY slider (REALLY hope it's not), then I'll pass completely.

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This is a weird video. . . ..the phone the guy has in his hands probably isn't the Prime, but can anyone tell what it is?

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This is a weird video. . . ..the phone the guy has in his hands probably isn't the Prime, but can anyone tell what it is?

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That video clip is from Nexus S introduction video last year. They just mixed it with some iPhone5 leaked photos.
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A transparent phone would be wicked cool (unless you're trying to watch a movie or something) but I never see it happening until there are transparent batteries. Or displays that charge themselves:

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Now THAT would be a game changer.
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Nice to see that the style is mostly the same as in Europe, minus the Apple button.

But they're claiming that the US version is super thin as well. This strongly suggests that it won't be 4G.

I feel bad for The_Chief.
I think that one in video is probably AT&T version (Attain). So it's thin as it's slight reskin of international version. Also leaked Celox photos look fairly slim despite having LTE. So I'm still hoping that's coming to verizon.

But if verizon one is 3G, it must be with Exynos chip and coming rather sooner. That's good side of it. Then 4G SGSII must be following up later in Fall to put up fight with Bionic, Vigor assuming Prime is not dropping on verizon around the same time. Time will tell soon.
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If this was the case, and Google decided to make it a sell-through device as you say, would they build it so that it's useable on all 4 major networks? I would seriously doubt they'd build a CDMA device unless they contracted to sell directly through Verizon. They've never done that before.
I would think CDMA/GSM/LTE would be feasible. It was a bit awkward before, but now the LTE SIM cards that Verizon provides carry both your CDMA and LTE credentials so you could theoreticall sell a model that literally anyone from any carrier in the US could pop a SIM card into.

I don't understand the last statement. Never done what before? There was a CDMA only Nexus One that didn't pass testing with Verizon (and Sprint followed suit by not carrying it). Those were separate builds. There are exclusively three different builds of the Nexus S. The original is GSM/HSPA with AWS, and there's a CDMA/WiMax version and GSM/HSPA AT&T version. None of those phones are common.
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I would seriously doubt they'd build a CDMA device unless they contracted to sell directly through Verizon. They've never done that before.
Actually they did build a CDMA version. Never saw the light of day though (obviously)
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Nice teaser video to kill time while impatiently waiting on Monday announcement. I guess jinwons is right that picture in the last moment is probably AT&T one. I will rejoice if Stratosphere (or whatever verizon calls their SGS2) is looking like that!
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Old August 23rd, 2011, 01:59 PM   #80 (permalink)
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I don't understand the last statement. Never done what before? There was a CDMA only Nexus One that didn't pass testing with Verizon (and Sprint followed suit by not carrying it)....... .
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Actually they did build a CDMA version. Never saw the light of day though (obviously)
OOOhhhhhh, I see.

I'm sure you won't blame me for not knowing.

And why, may I ask, did the CDMA version not pass testing?
 
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Yeeeeeha! Dunno if this is going to be Stratosphere or not, but it's MINE.

Samsung Galaxy S II - It's Big - YouTube

Check out 47sec!!
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Old August 23rd, 2011, 02:16 PM   #82 (permalink)
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Is that the same video posted in message #69?

My work blocks youtube so I can't check.
 
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Is that the same video posted in message #69?

My work blocks youtube so I can't check.
Yes, it's the same video. I missed the earlier posting. Sorry! It only shows just over 400 views as of this moment...
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Interesting thing in that teaser is that throughout the video they show the phone having a physical home button, whereas at the end, when there is a picture for our US release, it is not there.
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I think it's been said that there is no home button because of potential apple lawsuits in the US...so that was expected.
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I see. Also the date on it is 9/9
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Yeeeeeha! Dunno if this is going to be Stratosphere or not, but it's MINE.

Samsung Galaxy S II - It's Big - YouTube

Check out 47sec!!
what's at the 47 sec mark? I just see the statue of liberty with some weird S&M Latex chick for its body. (Does anyone else notice that the first half of this commercial seems to be directed towards pervs?)

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what's at the 47 sec mark? I just see the statue of liberty with some weird S&M Latex chick for its body. (Does anyone else notice that the first half of this commercial seems to be directed towards pervs?)



Where does it say 9/9?
Full size the video, at the very end you will see what I assume will be the US version of the phone. Pause the video and you will see that it says 10:10am in Kansas City (9:10AM Eastern) on 9/9.
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Came across this link.

Nexus Prime, Samsung Galaxy S III Possibly Among Deluge of Upcoming Samsung Android Devices [Updated with Release Dates]

I don't know if I can wait til end of November for what I believe will be the Prime.

Although the GT-I9229 seems to be very promising. If this somehow gets officially announced with a release date in October at the Berlin even, I'm definitely going to wait for it.
 
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That just seems like horrible marketing... to release the best selling SGSII in the USA so closely followed, on one or more carriers and who knows when in the USA, by another "Generation" of Galaxy S phones would cause a lot of consternation. It basically puts the USA into the position of receiving a phone within a month or two of becoming obsoletea by a new generation. I am still pretty happy with my Incredible. I'll get a SGSII when it comes out and see how I like it... if I don't, and/or if I hear some serious rumors about much more powerful phones in a month or three then VZW is going to get it back.
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That just seems like horrible marketing... to release the best selling SGSII in the USA so closely followed, on one or more carriers and who knows when in the USA, by another "Generation" of Galaxy S phones would cause a lot of consternation. It basically puts the USA into the position of receiving a phone within a month or two of becoming obsoletea by a new generation. I am still pretty happy with my Incredible. I'll get a SGSII when it comes out and see how I like it... if I don't, and/or if I hear some serious rumors about much more powerful phones in a month or three then VZW is going to get it back.
I hope you're right, and that the release dates are off by at least a month, in the right direction.

But I wouldn't be surprised by anything Samsung announces that ends up with the U.S. getting shafted. I think it's crazy to have a super phone released everywhere in the world except the US for 4 months.

That being said, I highly doubt that Samsung would release SGSIII in the same year it released SGSII.
 
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5 more days to speculate, lol.

This reminds me of when we were speculating on the official FroYo release on our OGs.
Any OGers out there remember that?
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Came across this link.

Nexus Prime, Samsung Galaxy S III Possibly Among Deluge of Upcoming Samsung Android Devices [Updated with Release Dates]

I don't know if I can wait til end of November for what I believe will be the Prime.

Although the GT-I9229 seems to be very promising. If this somehow gets officially announced with a release date in October at the Berlin even, I'm definitely going to wait for it.
I don't see any info on SGSIII there except concept design photo. I highly doubt it's coming this year. It's probably coming on next year summer.
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5 more days to speculate, lol.

This reminds me of when we were speculating on the official FroYo release on our OGs.
Any OGers out there remember that?
I remember that... and I remember when Pete's Bugless Beauty and Bugless Beast ROMs were about the only game in town for the OG Droid

SO long ago in the cell phone world...
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I don't see any info on SGSIII there except concept design photo. I highly doubt it's coming this year. It's probably coming on next year summer.
Waiting on the Froyo OTA was what inspired me to root my Droid. "Updates? I ain't waiting for no stinkin' updates!"
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Waiting on the Froyo OTA was what inspired me to root my Droid. "Updates? I ain't waiting for no stinkin' updates!"
Agreed! Once I found out how to disable automatic updates, I was more up to date than Verizon wanted me to be.

Does anyone have any ideas on whether the SGSII will be easily rootable like the European version?

Or does Verizon tend to force the manufacturers to put something else in place, like a locked bootloader?
 
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I don't think they can FORCE a locked bootloader (hence HTC's decision to post rooting procedures online) but companies that DO lock their phones (read that Motorola) get preferential treatment.

Case in point: Watch the Motorola Bionic get a launch replete with massive media blitz, huge signs in the windows, arrows in the store pointing to the device, and reps saying "OOOOH you gotta buy this phone!"

Meanwhile, watch as the SGS2 - I betcha - will be released with little fanfare. Maybe a couple of commercials and a little bitty section of the store.
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I don't think they can FORCE a locked bootloader (hence HTC's decision to post rooting procedures online) but companies that DO lock their phones (read that Motorola) get preferential treatment.

Case in point: Watch the Motorola Bionic get a launch replete with massive media blitz, huge signs in the windows, arrows in the store pointing to the device, and reps saying "OOOOH you gotta buy this phone!"

Meanwhile, watch as the SGS2 - I betcha - will be released with little fanfare. Maybe a couple of commercials and a little bitty section of the store.
But what is so bad about it? I mean, how would it affect Verizon? I can understand the fear of a bunch of bricked devices being returned, but don't they cover themselves by voiding the warranty in case of root?
 
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Verizon - and other carriers - enjoy imposing a bunch of bloatware on us, likely getting paid to put it on the phones (like Netflix) and don't want us removing it. The bloatware companies are spending money for nothing in that case.
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Case in point: Watch the Motorola Bionic get a launch replete with massive media blitz, huge signs in the windows, arrows in the store pointing to the device, and reps saying "OOOOH you gotta buy this phone!"

Meanwhile, watch as the SGS2 - I betcha - will be released with little fanfare. Maybe a couple of commercials and a little bitty section of the store.
As long as SGS2 on Verizon has decent spec list (SAMOLED+, dual core, 1Gb ram, LTE, etc), I don't care what kind of marketing treatment it gets. This phone will sell by itself. Bionic might get some head start on sales due to marketing push, but when people get to see both on the store display I'm sure they will be drawn more to sleek looking SGS2.
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