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Old May 18th, 2010, 01:44 PM   #51 (permalink)
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Well.. we currently have one just for the database(s).... but "the database server" encompasses more than just AF's so, this one will be for AF only.

At least I believe that is where Robs chat with our host is headed. Will know for sure later.
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Ah just found this thread.

For whatever it's worth, I can't access the website for hours each day while other sites blaze (i.e. it's not my network connection).

I'll log the times next time.
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This site has the worst "up" time of any site I have ever been on.
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This site has the worst "up" time of any site I have ever been on.
Long time users of this site know that what is being experienced now is unusual, and, having followed updates posted by Phases, that the site will be back to its old self, perhaps with improvements as well, soon.
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Long time users of this site know that what is being experienced now is unusual, and, having followed updates posted by Phases, that the site will be back to its old self, perhaps with improvements as well, soon.
Glad to know, this is a great source of info.
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It's been working great, since I posted the info about not being able to access my User CP.
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It is suffering from its own popularity.
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Good to hear, although this morning it's flying.
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Something's happened somewhere in the pipe. There are over 4900 users active right now and it's flying like manure off the proverbial digging implement.
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Perhaps some of the issues here have to do with the downstream routers?
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is the messaging system broken? I cant seem to sent PM's to anyone. My "sent" folder is empty, and there is no history of me ever replying to messages.
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Not that I can see. Just sent a couple myself within the past few minutes.
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do they show in your "sent folder"
I cant see my side of any convo, not even sure If i send the message.
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is the messaging system broken? I cant seem to sent PM's to anyone. My "sent" folder is empty, and there is no history of me ever replying to messages.
Be sure to have the settings the way you want them in the Edit Options > Private Messaging section of your Control Panel ("User CP" up at the top left of the page).
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Hi guys.

I don't mind ads on web pages. I know the business model requires 'em. And I'm pretty good at not seeing 'em.

However, I do mind clicking on a link in the forum and waiting 5 seconds to be told

The webpage at http://neverstill.com/openx/www/delivery/afr.php?n=ad16011c&zoneid=24&cb=INSERT_RANDOM_NUMB ER_HERE might be temporarily down or it may have moved permanently to a new web address.

before i can read the wonderful content about just how fast Launcher Pro is, etc.

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I don't mind ads on web pages. I know the business model requires 'em. And I'm pretty good at not seeing 'em.

However, I do mind clicking on a link in the forum and waiting 5 seconds to be told

The webpage at http://neverstill.com/openx/www/delivery/afr.php?n=ad16011c&zoneid=24&cb=INSERT_RANDOM_NUMB ER_HERE might be temporarily down or it may have moved permanently to a new web address.

before i can read the wonderful content about just how fast Launcher Pro is, etc.

I feel better after venting.

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I agree..

Is it just a coincidence that whenever neverstill.com is either down or experiencing database errors, we are too?

Phandroid AND NeverStill are down as I type this. Android Forums is also very sluggish this morning. There has to be a connection..

Never Still is taking quite a toll on the sites.
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Interesting; about an hour ago I posted in another thread about "connecting to neverstill.com" hanging for nearly a full minute before the page will load.. any page at this site.

It was that way a few weeks ago, as well.
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Interesting; about an hour ago I posted in another thread about "connecting to neverstill.com" hanging for nearly a full minute before the page will load.. any page at this site.

It was that way a few weeks ago, as well.
http://neverstill.com/

When ever they're down or experiencing database errors, so are we. When ever NeverStill is running great, so are we. I've been keeping close tabs on this for the last few weeks..

The fact that the site hangs up trying to connect to Never Still tells me that Android Forums is dependent on it for what ever reason. We need to move away from them.. IMO.

From what I can see they are the folks that built these great sites.. they're not the host. I don't particularly see a need to have to connect to them every time we're trying to browse this site.

Roberto.. care to shed some light?
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... they're not the host. I don't particularly see a need to have to connect to them every time we're trying to browse this site.

Roberto.. care to shed some light?
I'm not Roberto, but I'm guessing that Neverstill uses each page hit here as a page hit there in their stats, for various reasons.
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I'm not Roberto, but I'm guessing that Neverstill uses each page hit here as a page hit there in their stats, for various reasons.
Well, then we should remove that "feature" and just send monthly traffic reports to Never Still.
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Well, then we should remove that "feature" and just send monthly traffic reports to Never Still.
That makes more sense then having our signal pass through their data gathering apparatus.

But, don't forget, I'm just guessing about that.

Perhaps Neverstill enhances the routing for this site rather than uses it in the way I suggested there.

Me not know. Me make poke in dark.
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That makes more sense then having our signal pass through their data gathering apparatus.

But, don't forget, I'm just guessing about that.

Perhaps Neverstill enhances the routing for this site rather than uses it in the way I suggested there.

Me not know. Me make poke in dark.
Alright, so I asked Rob..

Rob owns NeverStill and it acts as the ad server for Android Forums.

NeverStill goes offline due to ads that run and get stuck. It isn't the fault of NeverStill's server. So, when NeverStill drops down, Android Forums is constantly trying to fetch the ad data and it ultimately ends up slowing us down.
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Rob owns NeverStill and it acts as the ad server for Android Forums.

NeverStill goes offline due to ads that run and get stuck. It isn't the fault of NeverStill's server. So, when NeverStill drops down, Android Forums is constantly trying to fetch the ad data and it ultimately ends up slowing us down.
So the right course of action for the owner of this site would be:
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So the right course of action for the owner of this site would be:
Well, Rob is the owner of Android Forums, too...

I'll talk with with him about it more in depth later when he gets home. He's flying back from the Google I/O today.
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Well, Rob is the owner of Android Forums, too...

I'll talk with with him about it more in depth later when he gets home. He's flying back from the Google I/O today.
Cool.

Speaking of flying, the forums picked up a lot of speed since you talked to him about Neverstill.

Don't make him mad.
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you will see in that URL openx, openx is a ad delivery service...a very popular one, you can basically plug all your add networks into openx and via analytics and data analysis it will deliver the best paying ads per page view.

of course the downfall of that, as you guys have concluded, is that if you have a site trying to serve an add and that site is not loading or down...it will slow your site to a crawl.
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you will see in that URL openx, openx is a ad delivery service...a very popular one, you can basically plug all your add networks into openx and via analytics and data analysis it will deliver the best paying ads per page view.

of course the downfall of that, as you guys have concluded, is that if you have a site trying to serve an add and that site is not loading or down...it will slow your site to a crawl.
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- Free Membership: Member can view and post in only certain forums

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- Free Membership: Member can view and post in only certain forums

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- 2nd Paid Tier Membership ($25?): Member can view and post in all but VIP and Premium forums

- Premium Membership ($35?): Full viewing and posting privileges.

.. etc... so on and so forth..

Nice idea, but it wouldn't work...
Only a handful if people would actually pay to be a member here.

Plus, I'm pretty sure they'd make more money with the current meathod anyway. Ads bring in a lot of money.

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you are right trident, and restricting anything from a user cause they don't pay rubs me the wrong way in general.

back to the openx thing, if i am not mistaken they do have a feature that will stop a ad service in openx is the site trying to serve that ad is delayed, lagging, etc. been a long time since i set up and used openx....it is pretty complex.
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back to the openx thing, if i am not mistaken they do have a feature that will stop a ad service in openx is the site trying to serve that ad is delayed, lagging, etc. been a long time since i set up and used openx....it is pretty complex.
Hmm... might be something for Rob to look into. I think that would solve a lot of our problems here.

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It rubs me the wrong way, too.

But I'm willing to make that sacrifice and suffer being rubbed the wrong way for the betterment of the site and for all mankind.

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A few things:
  • AF will be getting its OWN database server in the coming days which should not only help this site FLY, but also relieve stress from the database server on Phandroid, Neverstill (ad server), and our android applications website. All of this should help things improve across the board.
  • When 3rd parties have slow loading ads, there isn't anything we can really do about it. We'll nag whoever we can to improve speed of content that loads from another source and we're already doing everything we can to make sure our own content loads quickly.
  • We'll always keep AF free to everyone for the vast majority of features, with premium memberships simply being a way to offer special priveleges and features that are "perks", not typically standard requirements.
We will probably wait until this upcoming weekend to move the database server to reduce the irritation of downtime. But maybe not, we'll see. If the site is down for an extended period of time, cross your fingers that it is because we're changing servers!
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I'll make a suggestion: drop the number of posts per page in the forum to limit the amount of data transferred at once between the database server and the end user. Sure it will increase the number of requests, as people will have to click "next page", but it will decrease the size of the response. I've had to do this on several databases, if you find the right median it should improve things.
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By the way, the new DB box was installed last night.

Let's hope things smooth out!
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By the way, the new DB box was installed last night.

Let's hope things smooth out!
The site seems quite smooth now.
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Alright! So time to add the top stats back?
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Yup... AF now has its very own Web Server AND its very own super-powered DB server so let's hope it kicks some serious you know what for the forseeable future. Of course if this place keeps growing at an alarming rate, you never know.

This should also make Phandroid and our upcoming Applications site much, MUCH faster since they don't have the burden of AF's ridiculous traffic.

Regarding the "Top Stats"... I'm not sure about that but we can discuss. If we test it out I'd like to have our contracted server expert around and available just in case. So perhaps we'll test drive it next week, but I wouldn't expect to see it before that.

I miss having it too... but I'd rather be safe than sorry.
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neverstill.com acting up again. lets hope this site grows and when u guys generate some serious ad revenue, u can get better server and ad provider.
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Neverstill isn't actually the problem. That is owned by us and is our "ad server" but isn't the source of the slow loads.

Phandroid has been getting hit by malicious users trying to bring down our servers. AndroidForums shares some of the code with Phandroid, so when Phandroid gets brought down, AF struggles to load at an acceptable speed.

We continue to look into these server issues and while things HAVE improve drastically, we continue to feverishly pursue continued improvement. We appreciate your feedback and keep it coming. The more specific the better.
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JFYI...this site is frustratingly slow when I go to it 95% of the time, no mater where I access it from. My fastest access point is at home, cable modem, wiht 35Mbits of speed to my provider.

Love the site; hate the performance.

And, tried the new APPS site. Even worse.
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sites almost always fast for me now, attacks are no good, hope it works out Rob.
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Today, it is faster than it has ever been for me. Looking good.
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I am continually getting a pop-up box asking for:
"The server phandroid.com at phandroid/team/ requires a username and password."
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I am continually getting a pop-up box asking for:
"The server phandroid.com at phandroid/team/ requires a username and password."
The site has been unreachable for me for several hours, showing various server errors.

Now it will not finish loading, although it is usable.
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