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Old November 20th, 2012, 09:33 AM   #1051 (permalink)
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I've read that article. I forget sometimes that all three of our sports stadiums are privately financed.

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Old November 20th, 2012, 09:34 AM   #1052 (permalink)
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I've read that article. I forget sometimes that all three of our sports stadiums are privately financed.
Referring to NE sports teams or... ?

New Yankee Stadium was funded on tax dollars from the public . Good thing I don't live in NYC anymore. Not really sure how bright my beloved NYY's future is looking due to the self-instituted Steinbrenner Cap.
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Lol, which one? We have many.
The elephant in the room is ARod. That was a bad decision on 2007 that keeps looking worse as time goes on.
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The elephant in the room is ARod. That was a bad decision on 2007 that keeps looking worse as time goes on.
Never been a fan of the A-Rod deal, even after his MVP seasons or stepping up to the plate in 2009. His deal crippled us financially, which we are seeing the lasting effects of which now.

Teixeira, Burnett, and Soriano's deals were all dumb as hell. At least we were able to deal Burnett. Unfortunately for us, he had practically no value at the time that we dished him out to Pittsburgh. Personally, I'm not a fan of any player that is represented by Scott Boras. He stands for everything that is wrong with baseball today. That makes me incredibly sad because we are going to end up losing the best overall 2B in the league to free agency after next season.
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That makes me incredibly sad because we are going to end up losing the best overall 2B in the league to free agency after next season.
I doubt it. Even if it costs a lot, I think we'll extend Cano. I think we'll even get it done this offseason.
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I doubt it. Even if it costs a lot, I think we'll extend Cano. I think we'll even get it done this offseason.
There's already been insider sources saying they will let Cano walk if the price is too high. With Boras representing Cano now, I can only imagine the asking price. He's in his prime now, but if we sign him long term - he'll be just like almost everyone else on the roster. Old and used up, with the exception of Jeter and Mariano.

Management has stated repeatedly that they fully intend to get to the $189M cap mark, so they no longer have to pay out luxury taxes.
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I'd rather pay more in AAV that lengthen the contract. 3-5 years at the most. It isn't so much the dollars (for the Yanks/Sox/Dodgers anyway) that kill them. It's having someone way past their prime clogging up the roster for 2, 3, 4 or in ARod's case 5 more years at huge dollars.

Yankees would do better at $30 million per for three with Cano than $20 million for five. I will say, it's easier when it's not my money.
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I'd rather pay more in AAV that lengthen the contract. 3-5 years at the most. It isn't so much the dollars (for the Yanks/Sox/Dodgers anyway) that kill them. It's having someone way past their prime clogging up the roster for 2, 3, 4 or in ARod's case 5 more years at huge dollars.

Yankees would do better at $30 million per for three with Cano than $20 million for five. I will say, it's easier when it's not my money.
I'm thinking Cano will be seeking a 4 or 5 year deal for about $18-20M/season.
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There's already been insider sources saying they will let Cano walk if the price is too high. With Boras representing Cano now, I can only imagine the asking price. He's in his prime now, but if we sign him long term - he'll be just like almost everyone else on the roster. Old and used up, with the exception of Jeter and Mariano.

Management has stated repeatedly that they fully intend to get to the $189M cap mark, so they no longer have to pay out luxury taxes.
The $189 million goal is pretty well known, but the only news that I've heard is that the Yankees are willing to go to nine figures to keep Cano. I think that says a lot. I think the sticking point is going to be the number of years, not the money.
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I'm thinking Cano will be seeking a 4 or 5 year deal for about $18-20M/season.
I'm thinking with new TV revenue coming in and the interactive media revenue spiking that the price of top of the line talent will be higher than that. Plus restrictions now in place on draft spending and international signings mean more money going to the major league roster. I fear the $20mm+ salaries will become far more common and further divide baseball into have's and have nots.
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I'm thinking Cano will be seeking a 4 or 5 year deal for about $18-20M/season.
Boras has said he wants a ten-year deal for Cano. But like I said, I think that's the part that's going to have to be negotiated over. I don't think the money part will be the issue. I have no qualms with giving Cano $20 million per. He's worth it.
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I'm thinking with new TV revenue coming in and the interactive media revenue spiking that the price of top of the line talent will be higher than that. Plus restrictions now in place on draft spending and international signings mean more money going to the major league roster. I fear the $20mm+ salaries will become far more common and further divide baseball into have's and have nots.
The Yankees have plans in motion to sell a huge stake in YES with a 3 to 5 year evaluation plan to eventually sell their majority stake in it as well to News Corp. All of this just makes me think that maybe times have either really been that tough on the Steinbrenner's or they want out.
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I thought that was just a leverage think for Fox with the cable companies. I hope it isn't a divestiture plan.
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Ouch, I thought they owned a larger stake than that. NESN is 80% Sox / 20% Bruins.
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Yankees resign Kuroda, 1 year/$15 million + small incentives. Good deal if you ask me, a little rotation stability for next season, and it won't affect the 2014 goal.

Yanks also added six minor leaguers to the 40-man (LHP Manny Banuelos, RHP Brett Marshall, LHP Nik Turley, OF Ramon Flores, RHP Jose Ramirez, and LHP Francisco Rondon) to protect them from the Rule 5 draft, and added two new players: waiver claims Mickey Storey and David Herndon. 39 players on the roster as of midnight last night.

EDIT: Also, in encouraging news, Mariano Rivera made his first practice pitch since his ACL surgery

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Yankees resign Kuroda, 1 year/$15 million + small incentives. Good deal if you ask me, a little rotation stability for next season, and it won't affect the 2014 goal.

Yanks also added six minor leaguers to the 40-man (LHP Manny Banuelos, RHP Brett Marshall, LHP Nik Turley, OF Ramon Flores, RHP Jose Ramirez, and LHP Francisco Rondon) to protect them from the Rule 5 draft, and added two new players: waiver claims Mickey Storey and David Herndon. 39 players on the roster as of midnight last night.

EDIT: Also, in encouraging news, Mariano Rivera made his first practice pitch since his ACL surgery

Meh, the only minor leaguer worth considering is Manny Banuelos. The kid has GREAT stuff. I'm hoping he can get things back on track this upcoming season. The same goes for Dellin Betances.
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Meh, the only minor leaguer worth considering is Manny Banuelos. The kid has GREAT stuff. I'm hoping he can get things back on track this upcoming season. The same goes for Dellin Betances.
Banuelos had TJ surgery, he's going to miss all of 2013 Unfortunately, Betances is looking more like Brackman at this point, just can't control his stuff.
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Yeah, I know, but a man can dream. Crazy to me how we went from having one of the best AAA rotations to it being piss poor in a matter of just one minor league season.
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Win or lose, me too. Dislikeable beyond belief like the 2012 team, first time in my life I tuned them out.
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Yeah, I know, but a man can dream. Crazy to me how we went from having one of the best AAA rotations to it being piss poor in a matter of just one minor league season.
Indeed. The major league rotation wasn't as successful as we'd hoped either. Pineda and Nova have been pretty big disappointments. Sad to think we gave up one of our best hitting prospects ever to get Pineda, I hope he works out.

On a more positive note, it's looking like Pettitte will sign today, so that's some good news.
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On a more positive note, it's looking like Pettitte will sign today, so that's some good news.
Quite honestly I was impressed with how Pettitte pitched last year. I think I remember Hitman and I discussing it earlier in this thread.
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Quite honestly I was impressed with how Pettitte pitched last year. I think I remember Hitman and I discussing it earlier in this thread.
Totally agreed, especially after taking a whole year off. He was just what the Yanks needed, and hopefully this season will be a similar level.

Tweets from CBS and New York Post are saying that it's a one year deal between $10-11 million for Pettitte. Really glad to get this worked out, now we can move on to re-signing Ichiro, Ibanez, and maybe Martin. I'm not super thrilled at having Ichiro for another year, because I don't think we'll get the same rejuvenated numbers out of him for an entire season, but I was honored that he publicly said he wants to play for the Yankees again. A healthy Gardner, Granderson, and Ichiro is still a pretty darn good 2013 OF.
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Totally agreed, especially after taking a whole year off. He was just what the Yanks needed, and hopefully this season will be a similar level.

Tweets from CBS and New York Post are saying that it's a one year deal between $10-11 million for Pettitte. Really glad to get this worked out, now we can move on to re-signing Ichiro, Ibanez, and maybe Martin. I'm not super thrilled at having Ichiro for another year, because I don't think we'll get the same rejuvenated numbers out of him for an entire season, but I was honored that he publicly said he wants to play for the Yankees again. A healthy Gardner, Granderson, and Ichiro is still a pretty darn good 2013 OF.
It's a better outfield than Ellsbury and retreads.
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Oof, agreed. I don't know what you guys were thinking with that Gomes signing, he's an awful defender. Plus, he can hit lefties, which is great, but he can't hit righties at all. He's basically a $5 million/year part-time player. Interesting article from Fangraphs on the situation, recommended:

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Btw, more good news for the Yanks - FOX reports that Mariano Rivera may sign within the week.

EDIT: Cascade effect here - news is leaking in that Ichiro may have already re-signed as well. Preliminary report says one-year contract worth $5M plus incentives. Waiting for more details.
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Totally agreed, especially after taking a whole year off. He was just what the Yanks needed, and hopefully this season will be a similar level.

Tweets from CBS and New York Post are saying that it's a one year deal between $10-11 million for Pettitte. Really glad to get this worked out, now we can move on to re-signing Ichiro, Ibanez, and maybe Martin. I'm not super thrilled at having Ichiro for another year, because I don't think we'll get the same rejuvenated numbers out of him for an entire season, but I was honored that he publicly said he wants to play for the Yankees again. A healthy Gardner, Granderson, and Ichiro is still a pretty darn good 2013 OF.
Pettitte is a god amongst men. However, that may be my bias due to him being my favorite player of all-time. As for the NYY OF, I would love to have Ichiro back. I don't believe we'll ever see the guy who set the record for 262 hits in a single season again, but he's still very agile for a guy his age, which makes his defensive abilities better than anything we'd put out there otherwise. As for his bat, his speed makes up for the fact that he can't slap balls into the gaps anymore, so infield hits it is!

Honestly, I can't wait to get rid of Granderson. I don't care that he hits 35-40 HR's a season and drives in 95+ runs. The man is useless when it counts, and his defense has slid back a bit since we got him from Detroit.

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Oof, agreed. I don't know what you guys were thinking with that Gomes signing, he's an awful defender. Plus, he can hit lefties, which is great, but he can't hit righties at all. He's basically a $5 million/year part-time player. Interesting article from Fangraphs on the situation, recommended:

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Btw, more good news for the Yanks - FOX reports that Mariano Rivera may sign within the week.
Gomes signing was awful. No clue what Cherington was thinking. Perhaps he thinks he's the next Billy Beane. Mo will be back without a doubt. He already said that he refuses to go out like a chump. The best relief pitcher of all-time will come back with a vengeance, guaranteed.
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With all due respect, can we keep the juvenile nicknames out of this thread? "Red Sux" is about as funny as "Spankmees" or "Stankees" or any other of the super clever permutations I've heard on the Internet. Let's keep it civil, eh?
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With all due respect, can we keep the juvenile nicknames out of this thread? "Red Sux" is about as funny as "Spankmees" or "Stankees" or any other of the super clever permutations I've heard on the Internet. Let's keep it civil, eh?
Pretty certain I never intended for it to be funny. Lol, Pup knows the deal already. There can be no such civility when a Yankees fan and Red Sox fan are involved in a conversation! /sarcasm
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Pettitte deal finalized yesterday It's a one-year deal worth $12M plus another $2.5M in award-based bonuses. Sounding very good to me. I expect a Mo signing soon.
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Pettitte deal finalized yesterday It's a one-year deal worth $12M plus another $2.5M in award-based bonuses. Sounding very good to me. I expect a Mo signing soon.
May be a slight overpay, but I like the deal. Congrats to the Yankees. Since the Sox don't have a realistic chance at a title this year (IMO) I'm actually pulling for Jeter, Mo, and Pettite to go out on top as this is very likely their last year together.
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It is definitely cool to think that we got the three core guys back to all have one last blaze of glory together. Hopefully we'll have enough prospects and young guys ready for the old guard to step down and let the new take over after '13.
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It is definitely cool to think that we got the three core guys back to all have one last blaze of glory together. Hopefully we'll have enough prospects and young guys ready for the old guard to step down and let the new take over after '13.
Ehhh, I don't know bro. Yankees future is looking pretty depressing once the '14 season begins. However, I do have my sights set on a few guys who I think can really contribute. Those few are Ronnier Mustelier, Mark Montgomery, and Vidal Nuno.
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Ehhh, I don't know bro. Yankees future is looking pretty depressing once the '14 season begins. However, I do have my sights set on a few guys who I think can really contribute. Those few are Ronnier Mustelier, Mark Montgomery, and Vidal Nuno.
Hmm, hadn't heard of Nuno before, he's an interesting case. I like Mustelier and Montgomery a lot, I think we'll definitely see Montgomery this year. The Yanks have a number of intriguing guys that we could see in '14: Slade Heathcott, Nik Turley, Zach Nuding, to name a few.

In order to get under the $189 million mark with guys like A-Rod and Tex and CC already on the payroll, we're going to have to do a better job of mixing in young guys and spending intelligently.
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Hmm, hadn't heard of Nuno before, he's an interesting case. I like Mustelier and Montgomery a lot, I think we'll definitely see Montgomery this year. The Yanks have a number of intriguing guys that we could see in '14: Slade Heathcott, Nik Turley, Zach Nuding, to name a few.

In order to get under the $189 million mark with guys like A-Rod and Tex and CC already on the payroll, we're going to have to do a better job of mixing in young guys and spending intelligently.
At least CC is putting in work though. A-Rod and Tex just seem like money poorly spent. I forgot about Slade. I like him too. Back to Montgomery, he reminds me of Robertson, but with a bit more zip. I also Sanchez wasn't such a headache. He could be a really great damn catcher for us.
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At least CC is putting in work though. A-Rod and Tex just seem like money poorly spent. I forgot about Slade. I like him too. Back to Montgomery, he reminds me of Robertson, but with a bit more zip. I also Sanchez wasn't such a headache. He could be a really great damn catcher for us.
At least Tex is still an elite defender, a perennial Gold Glover. His bat aptitude is slipping, but I think we can put it on the shoulders of Kevin Long - he's all about pulling the ball for power, and Tex has just been way too excited about the short right field porch. I don't think it's irreversible though.

Montgomery gets comps to Robertson all the time, and I definitely see it. I suspect he'll be similarly successful too; very similar strikeout rates to what D-Rob posted in the minors.

Finally, let's not forget the big news - Mo's back! One year, $10 million plus incentives. However, Russell Martin will be departing, as he signed a two year deal with Pittsburgh. Notice my tears. While I never hated Martin and thought he handled the pitching staff and defended very well, he definitely underperformed overall. Not sure what we're going to do now that he's gone, though. A tandem of Frankie Cervelli and Austin Romine makes me nervous.

In other New York news, the Mets signed David Wright to a seven-year, $122 million extension. If Wright's already-exercised 2013 club option is included, it's an eight-year, $138 million deal, which surpasses Johan Santana's $137.5 million contract as the largest in Mets history. Pretty huge.
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At least Tex is still an elite defender, a perennial Gold Glover. His bat aptitude is slipping, but I think we can put it on the shoulders of Kevin Long - he's all about pulling the ball for power, and Tex has just been way too excited about the short right field porch. I don't think it's irreversible though.

Montgomery gets comps to Robertson all the time, and I definitely see it. I suspect he'll be similarly successful too; very similar strikeout rates to what D-Rob posted in the minors.

Finally, let's not forget the big news - Mo's back! One year, $10 million plus incentives. However, Russell Martin will be departing, as he signed a two year deal with Pittsburgh. Notice my tears. While I never hated Martin and thought he handled the pitching staff and defended very well, he definitely underperformed overall. Not sure what we're going to do now that he's gone, though. A tandem of Frankie Cervelli and Austin Romine makes me nervous.

In other New York news, the Mets signed David Wright to a seven-year, $122 million extension. If Wright's already-exercised 2013 club option is included, it's an eight-year, $138 million deal, which surpasses Johan Santana's $137.5 million contract as the largest in Mets history. Pretty huge.
Johan should have never got that deal to begin with, but that's neither here nor there. David deserves that contract even if I'm against anything longer than 5 years.
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Johan should have never got that deal to begin with, but that's neither here nor there. David deserves that contract even if I'm against anything longer than 5 years.
Agreed, he's a standup guy with great character, and he made it plain that he loves the Mets and wanted to stay with them. He'll still be in his prime to late prime years when the Mets are getting ready to contend again, so I think it was a good signing on the part of the Mets.
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So the Winter Meetings start today, this is my favorite part of the offseason. I suspect we'll see at least one or two large trades, as well as have a couple big free agents sign, like Greinke and Hamilton. Strongly recommend following MLB Trade Rumors for up-to-the-minute info.
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Some bad news out of Yankees camp today: A-Rod's hip is injured again, he'll need another surgery and will miss part of 2013. Turns out he'd been playing with the hip injury for most of 2012, New York Post thinks it could be part of why he looked so bad at the plate.

ESPN postulates that A-Rod's injury will cause the Yanks to step up the search for infield help, ie. Stephen Drew, Jeff Keppinger, Eric Chavez, Marco Scutaro, Casey McGehee, Chone Figgins, etc.

EDIT: Fox Sports thinks we may see the Padres selling high on Chase Headley and swapping him to the Yanks during the Winter Meetings.

EDIT2: It's A-Rod's left hip, not his previously-repaired right hip. Not sure if that makes it better or worse.
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Wow, no one posting? XD Anyone got thoughts on their team's moves (or lack of moves) at the Winter Meetings?
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Cashman's lack of moves, plus the Steinbrenner's sudden desire to be cheap bastards has got me in quite the awful mood. I'm beyond baffled that they did not even offer Martin a deal. The same goes for Ichiro.

As for A-Rod's injury, we have in-house (and inexpensive) options like Adams or Mustelier, but they just offered Youkilis $12M on a one year deal. Honestly, I don't know how I feel about having him as a Yankee.
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Honestly, I don't know how I feel about having him as a Yankee.
Could not agree more. I hate his face, and his whining at the plate every single time he gets a called strike. Hes going to have to shave off his stupid goatee, which sounds like a good thing until you try to picture what his face would look like without it. Oh god..

I would much prefer we try to snap up Michael Young from Texas. He's only got one guaranteed year left, so it wouldn't affect the 2014 plan at all. This is opposed to trying to sign a free agent, who all have leverage on the Yanks and are pushing for multiple years. I'm sure if we took on his whole contract for 2013, we wouldn't have to give up any prospects. Young is also versatile, though he's not amazing at any position he plays, haha. He's a class act as well, I think he'd be a good fit in NY. Unfortunately, Philly thinks Young would be a good fit with them too.
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Could not agree more. I hate his face, and his whining at the plate every single time he gets a called strike. Hes going to have to shave off his stupid goatee, which sounds like a good thing until you try to picture what his face would look like without it. Oh god..

I would much prefer we try to snap up Michael Young from Texas. He's only got one guaranteed year left, so it wouldn't affect the 2014 plan at all. This is opposed to trying to sign a free agent, who all have leverage on the Yanks and are pushing for multiple years. I'm sure if we took on his whole contract for 2013, we wouldn't have to give up any prospects. Young is also versatile, though he's not amazing at any position he plays, haha. He's a class act as well, I think he'd be a good fit in NY. Unfortunately, Philly thinks Young would be a good fit with them too.
I think it would be weird seeing Young in a different jersey. Just like it would be weird to see a guy like Jeter on another team. He had a down season last year, but he's a super utility guy who can play a few infield positions and still provide some pop on the bat. Youkilis on the other hand looks lost at the plate now, and his defense has slipped a bit.
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Well I thought it would be weird seeing Ichiro in a different jersey, but it worked out just fine.

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