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Old December 17th, 2013, 04:05 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Hopefully someone can help me out here. I have the Galaxy S.4. I was rooted before with no problems on stock rom. I have unrooted and rooted this phone 3 times. I got tired of the install update icon sitting in my notification bar for the last several months. So I unrooted my phone. Then did the ota updates. It was 3 or 4 of them. I am now 4.3 stock rom. So I when to re-root and got that with no problem. I used the odin method, I used odin again to install clockworkmod (v6.0.4.4) on the phone. I rebooted and it worked great, no problems. I then when to get the final piece of the puzzles so to speak. I downloaded MDCHotspotmod-odexed from “galaxys4root.com” to gain control of the native wifi tethering abilities. I when to clockworkmod and flashed the zip file to the phone and it said Installation complete (and cleared both cache before hand) I when to reboot and I was prompted with a message from clockworkmod saying “Root access possibly lost. Fix? THIS CAN NOT BE UNDONE” so I avoid the prompt the first time and accepted the fix the 2nd time and now my phone is stuck in boot loop. With options had me still stuck in boot loop. Please help, thanks

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If you can provide your carrier and current build number for you device, I can move this to the proper root forum for people more familiar with the device to help you out.
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Alright, it has been moved to the sprint s4 root forum.
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Did you make a backup in cwm prior to flashing the tether zip? If so, have you tried to restore?
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I issued a general call to arms to get more folks in to help.

Although you've got a few rockstars in here already.
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Did you make a backup in cwm prior to flashing the tether zip? If so, have you tried to restore?
No, i didn't. I got my data backed up with titanium Tho. I hit factor reset + it didn't help
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No, i didn't. I got my data backed up with titanium Tho. I hit factor reset + it didn't help
Ok. The S4 has a removable sdcard no? If so, how about placing a rom on there (surely there must be one that's almost pure stock but made into a rom) and then flash it from recovery?

Lemme look around for a stock rom unless another S4 user wanders in before I can get it done.
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Ok so there's some roms but if my research is correct (don't own this device), it appears that when you updated to 4.3 (mja), you got the knox enabled bootloader with that. Which I believe means you'll have a flash counter in play now. Wasn't sure if that'd be a deal breaker for you or not?

edit: although after a re-reading your OP, may be a moot point since you've been flashing zips on 4.3 already.
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Ok so there's some roms but if my research is correct (don't own this device), it appears that when you updated to 4.3 (mja), you got the knox enabled bootloader with that. Which I believe means you'll have a flash counter in play now. Wasn't sure if that'd be a deal breaker for you or not?

edit: although after a re-reading your OP, may be a moot point since you've been flashing zips on 4.3 already.
So wat does that mean? "flash counter in play now. " i do have a rom for g.s.4 but its not close to stock. I didn't want to flash it + make it worse
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So wat does that mean? "flash counter in play now. " i do have a rom for g.s.4 but its not close to stock. I didn't want to flash it + make it worse
I got that tidbit of info from here:

[HOW TO]Update S4 to Stock 4.3 MJA w/Root ,MJA Modem & Keep 4.2.2 MF9 Bootloader! - xda-developers

OP did a nice job of explaining the situation. In that same development forum, there are some good looking stockish roms if you end up going that route.
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Its a good post but its basically saying don't update. But i already have. I don't have a warranty To void so i would like to know how bad my phone is messed up and if i can get my phone working again
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Its a good post but its basically saying don't update. But i already have. I don't have a warranty To void so i would like to know how bad my phone is messed up and if i can get my phone working again
I know you've already accepted the OTA, I was just explaining where I got the "flash counter in play now" from because you asked for an explanation on that.

So if you don't have a warranty to void, you can flash a rom and not worry about the flash counter. Flashing a working rom should get you a booting phone again assuming you can still get into recovery that is. I suppose the other route would be to flash back to stock using odin if the newest stock tar is available. I have not searched for that.
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I know you've already accepted the OTA, I was just explaining where I got the "flash counter in play now" from because you asked for an explanation on that.

So if you don't have a warranty to void, you can flash a rom and not worry about the flash counter. Flashing a working rom should get you a booting phone again. I suppose the other route would be to flash back to stock using odin if the newest stock tar is available. I have not searched for that.
Well i tried using odin to get back to stock + unroot but every time i run Odin it fails. (Never had problems with Odin before excepting the update. So if i flash a new rom with cwm i would be safe?
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Well i tried using odin to get back to stock + unroot but every time i run Odin it fails. (Never had problems with Odin before excepting the update. So if i flash a new rom with cwm i would be safe?
When you were flashing stock with Odin, were you using the new 4.3 firmware file? Because I'm pretty sure you can't go backward with Samsung.

But yeah, anyway I would think you'd be good flashing a rom unless there are known limitations preventing you from loading certain roms with your current baseband and/or bootloader. And if that's the case (which it can occasionally be), I wouldn't be privy to that since I'm not close enough to this phone to know off the top of my head. One would like to believe that any such pitfalls would be noted in the flashing instructions. I'd also read through any rom threads you might be interested in to search for any known oddities with your particular setup (meaning whatever you have for OS/baseband/bootloader from the OTA you took, plus the fact you're running cwm as your recovery). Need to be sure any given rom is flashable with your recovery as well.
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i do not have an s4 so i can't be of too much help.

curious do you still have a recovery?

and let this be a lesson to make sure that once you have a custom recovery.....always make a nandroid backup.....they could have possibly have saved you already.
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Still being not sure what stock version you've tried flashing with Odin, I figured I'd throw this out there:

[FIRMWARE][ODIN] All Sprint Firmwares {12/8/13} - xda-developers

You may have already been there. Just making sure.
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EDIT: Looks like the MK2 Hotspot just became available:
xda-developers - View Single Post - [MOD][Deodex][Odex][MDC][MDL][MF9][MJA]Hotspot Mod
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i do not have an s4 so i can't be of too much help.

curious do you still have a recovery?

and let this be a lesson to make sure that once you have a custom recovery.....always make a nandroid backup.....they could have possibly have saved you already.
Yes still have recovery
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Still being not sure what stock version you've tried flashing with Odin, I figured I'd throw this out there:

[FIRMWARE][ODIN] All Sprint Firmwares {12/8/13} - xda-developers

You may have already been there. Just making sure.
No your right i was trying to go backwards. I had not dl a newer version of the stock rom
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If you were on MK2 after taking the OTA's, there is no current hotspot mod for it, at least as of 12/17/13. If you try to install an older version, bootloops are common. There is one rom with the updated hotspot mod in it, but it's not the one you installed.

Go back to MJA and then you can install the hotspot mod.
And which rom is that
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So does anyone know how to get rid of KNOX BootLoader or change bootloader if that it what is causing the bootloop?
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So does anyone know how to get rid of KNOX BootLoader or change bootloader if that it what is causing the bootloop?
I don't think that's what's actually causing the bootloop and from that thread, it sounds like you can't get rid of it once you have it. Which is fine since you don't have warranty concerns. That flash counter means nothing to you. I think the bootloop came entirely from flashing the tether zip. So the only way out is either flashing a rom via recovery or try to reflash stock using Odin and the correct file for whatever OS version you just updated to.
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Um, also I had this on my GNex and my fix was just factory resetting the device. I don't know if this will help you at all, but it fixed mine.

However, it sounds like you might just need to flash a rom like iowabowtech said from the issues you sound like you are still having.
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Here's a great link for you. The Stock MJA rom is linked in it.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2303917

Iowabowtech is right. Once you have the Knox bootloader, you're stuck with it. And once you trip the Knox bit, you can't reset it. At least that's the case right now. There are some threads about how to disable it and/or remove the software parts from the phone. I froze mine with TiBu, but it still shows up on the download screen.
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Um, also I had this on my GNex and my fix was just factory resetting the device. I don't know if this will help you at all, but it fixed mine.

However, it sounds like you might just need to flash a rom like iowabowtech said from the issues you sound like you are still having.
If by factory reset you mean to wipe the data. Then yes i did that. Since im rooted i don't have the option for a factory reset.
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I don't think that's what's actually causing the bootloop and from that thread, it sounds like you can't get rid of it once you have it. Which is fine since you don't have warranty concerns. That flash counter means nothing to you. I think the bootloop came entirely from flashing the tether zip. So the only way out is either flashing a rom via recovery or try to reflash stock using Odin and the correct file for whatever OS version you just updated to.
Well the only Rom i have right now, since i have limited Internet access. I just tried to flash tri-force rom. Iy said installation aborted. Idk if that had to do with Knox Or just a bad copy.
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Here's a great link for you. The Stock MJA rom is linked in it.

[DIRECTORY][☆ ★ UPDATED 12/1/13 ☆ ★]S4 Roms/Kernels/Recoveries/Mods/Themes/Games/Apps - xda-developers

Iowabowtech is right. Once you have the Knox bootloader, you're stuck with it. And once you trip the Knox bit, you can't reset it. At least that's the case right now. There are some threads about how to disable it and/or remove the software parts from the phone. I froze mine with TiBu, but it still shows up on the download screen.
I will download this rom as soon as i can. Just the internet I have currently is too Slow to download a zip of that size.
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If by factory reset you mean to wipe the data. Then yes i did that. Since im rooted i don't have the option for a factory reset.
Some recoveries have that option. The stock one does.

Factory reset resets the phone to just like it came out of the box. Wipes the internal RAM, etc. About the only thing it won't reset is the Knox bit. It's also called RTN (Return To New).
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do I want Odex or Deodex its been a while since i have changed roms
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Personally, deodexed is my preference. You can run into glitches with theming and other modding issues on odexed and this phone is fast enough, it shouldn't be a concern like some of the phones of yesteryear.

Just my opinion. Whatever you decide, just be sure to flash mods that match your choice of rom type. It appears the devs for this phone are really good about offering both options on the mods they're posting, as is the case for the hotspot mod jejb linked above. So you could really go either route as long as that trend doesn't change in the future.
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Personally, deodexed is my preference. You can run into glitches with theming and other modding issues on odexed and this phone is fast enough, it shouldn't be a concern like some of the phones of yesteryear.

Just my opinion. Whatever you decide, just be sure to flash mods that match your choice of rom type. It appears the devs for this phone are really good about offering both options on the mods they're posting, as is the case for the hotspot mod jejb linked above. So you could really go either route as long as that trend doesn't change in the future.
ok so when I will flash Stock MJA rom with clockworkmod in recovery mode. but just asking if i get to that point and it doesn't let me flash the rom what are my other options?
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ok so when I will flash Stock MJA rom with clockworkmod in recovery mode. but just asking if i get to that point and it doesn't let me flash the rom what are my other options?
Well, you don't really have any other options as it relates to recovery but you're in a boot loop anyway so you don't have much to lose here.

I'd wipe data, cache and dalvik cache (dalvik is under "advanced" menu in most versions of clockwork) all back to back, then proceed to flash the rom. When it reboots, give the first boot a nice long time before getting nervous. That first bootup can take awhile.
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OK right now I'm sending this message to you from my gs4. So thank you to those who helped me.
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But I a got this prompt With silver shield saying:

Security information

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application attempting to
perform actions that are not
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also I have hey new update and I want to know if I should accepted or not It says MK2Android system
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If you haven't rooted yet, take the MK2 update.

For the security issue, that comes with 4.3. Everybody hates it. Freezing the Knox apps with TiBu cured it on my phone. I never get the message anymore.
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Don't accept the update. If you want to apply it, do it by other means via recovery. Check this out:

[Q] Detection Information - xda-developers
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If you haven't rooted yet, take the MK2 update.
He can't do that with a custom recovery though right? If I'm incorrect on that, perfect. I'd defer to the person who owns the phone wich is jejb.
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If you haven't rooted yet, take the MK2 update.

For the security issue, that comes with 4.3. Everybody hates it. Freezing the Knox apps with TiBu cured it on my phone. I never get the message anymore.
i just test it i still have root. So how do i get rid of that icon that says i need to take the update
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Don't accept the update. If you want to apply it, do it by other means via recovery. Check this out:

[Q] Detection Information - xda-developers
Found the Knox files + froze them
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i just test it i still have root. So how do i get rid of that icon that says i need to take the update
Hopefully another S4 user can chime in but until then, go into Titanium and look for anything related to "ota" "fota" "upgrade" and freeze it. Guessing it'll end up being 1 or 2 freeze events. Might also add "sdm" to that list if you have it.

Just freeze, not remove and see if the ota nag disappears. That way if another S4 user comes along and knows for sure the exact things to freeze, you can adjust accordingly. Might take one reboot afterward to make it disappear, not sure.

You also MIGHT have to check at /cache using root explorer or similar and possibly delete the ota update which is likely housed there waiting to be applied. If you have a fota folder located at /cache it'll probably be in there.
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Arg just ran in to another problem. I flash the odexed rom without issues I try to flash HotSpotMod_MK2_Odexed. when the flash was completed it had put me in a boot loop again. when I went to restore the backup I had made previous To flash it too became corrupt. I wiped everything and started from scratch again.
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Yeah that's why I prefer deodexed. Fewer files applied therefore fewer things to go wrong. Ah well, you're fine. Getting to be an old pro at this.

And I see somebody just posted an MK2 with hotspot included:

Team Blaze Stock 4.3 MK2....DOWNLOADABLE NOW - xda-developers

No feedback on it yet so I'm not recommending, just noticed it's there.
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Oh hey, just noticed those hotspot apk's from xda are for the MK2 update which I don't know if you have applied yet? If not, could be the reason for that not working.
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He can't do that with a custom recovery though right? If I'm incorrect on that, perfect. I'd defer to the person who owns the phone wich is jejb.
I wouldn't try it that way, you're right. I was saying if the phone is still totally stock, unrooted, just updated to 4.3, that'd be a great time to do it. Otherwise, you'd need to go back to stock, and the MK2 update is not worth it.

To turn off the MK2 notification, long hold on the notification in the notification pane, select App Info and then uncheck the Notification box.
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I wouldn't try it that way, you're right. I was saying if the phone is still totally stock, unrooted, just updated to 4.3, that'd be a great time to do it. Otherwise, you'd need to go back to stock, and the MK2 update is not worth it.

To turn off the MK2 notification, long hold on the notification in the notification pane, select App Info and then uncheck the Notification box.
Wow that easy? Thanks. All ideas about getting hotspots back? No never updated too mk2 since I figured out I still had root.
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Can I downgrade the firmware to get rid of the knox? Hotspot Shield - Download Hotspot Shield: How to Downgrade Samsung Galaxy Devices

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Wow that easy? Thanks. All ideas about getting hotspots back? No never updated too mk2 since I figured out I still had root.
You must be on MJA Software Version, but check it in your About Device screen. You can pull that hotspot from the first post in the thread I linked in above:
[MOD][Deodex][Odex][MDC][MDL][MF9][MJA]Hotspot Mod - xda-developers
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