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Old August 26th, 2012, 09:49 PM   #1 (permalink)
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i have a certain phone and am in that section. now new people come along, and noone reads full threads and info. they just get some info and move on or ask something that info is posted and they never seen it.( i see this all the time). i think a good idea would be like a table of contents for links for each device. this would be great for the forums after seeing what new people do. a sticky should be placed for every device ( with someone from that device to keep it updated and knows what is going on in that thread). please check this out Additions to the All Things Root Sticky posts # 6,8,10. if these were a sticky for the new people to see it would help out so many people to choose a rom, kernal, theme, ect... with the info on how to do it and all.

we as people that have been here a while might say no, but look at it in a new persons view or when you just got started.

people ask all the time here about themes and just don't know where to look or how to use search http://androidforums.com/search.php.

so this would be like a table of contents for each device, what do you think after looking at my example from prevail thread?

if you bought a phone and rooted it and wanted a theme or rom wouldn't it be nice to go to the front page of your phone and get roms, themes, kernal,ect... without searching the entire phone threads, which some fall off the first page and get forgotten about???

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i know when i was new i wish they had something like this to make life easier. yes some have a sticky on how to root but don't have all info on the phones stuff, themes, kernals, roms, ect.... so this would be a great thing for the forums for new people.


pretty much looking for a yes or no????

most people here know what is going on so they will say i don't need this!!!

but think of it as a perspective or through the eyes of a new person?
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I'd not pass judgment on your idea but I might suggest you put forth your idea in the suggestion box. It's a great place to share ideas for forum enhancement and it will fall on an interested audience.
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I'd not pass judgment on your idea but I might suggest you put forth your idea in the suggestion box. It's a great place to share ideas for forum enhancement and it will fall on an interested audience.
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i clicked that link and it says i don't have access?
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this is what it said
  1. Your user account may not have sufficient privileges to access this page. Are you trying to edit someone else's post, access administrative features or some other privileged system?
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That was an oops. The right link is -

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well wanted to get some of the peoples feed back first before admin. and mods or whoever see or look at it?
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That's a link for the site dev, we can't post there.

So - move this thread for you to the link I provided?
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well wanted to get some of the peoples feed back first before admin. and mods or whoever see or look at it?
It's accessible by everyone there, but whatever you prefer.

BTW - we have got to stop ninja'ing like this.
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Can move this there if you like?
can it be copied there?
see if the people see this as a good thing then great, if it goes there and the people don't see it then the ones looking at it, (in suggestion), say no ,then thats that and no one else sees it or has a say in it. but if enough people like it and think it is a good thing then it might be considered more.
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It's accessible by everyone there, but whatever you prefer.

BTW - we have got to stop ninja'ing like this.
i've been here for a while and never checked that thread or really knew about it, so how are others of the common people gonna see it. so the new people might not know of it either. i have been her for a while and just found out the other day about how to get to last newest post. call me stupid if you may but some of us aren't a college graduate. but we are people too. so accessible is great if everyone knows about threads. see this is my point!!!!!!!
i never new about the lounge till something got moved there.
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Can't copy whole threads, sorry.

All I can say is, if you want staff and members to see it and discuss it, like olbriar said, that's the spot.
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Can't copy whole threads, sorry.

All I can say is, if you want staff and members to see it and discuss it, like olbriar said, that's the spot.
ok then move it there, will i get a reply to it one way or another?????? i mean like a question asked and want an answer of yes, no, or some kinda answer either way, or does it go there and is forgotten about if no one wants to look at it or deal with it????
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It's a forum like this one.

Whomever wants to discuss with you, can.
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Personally I think this is the general android site, it's good to come here & shoot the breeze. Most of us have seen other android sites on our journeys round the web. There's the dev sites, the amateur fanboy device specific sites, sites that are just plain dead or full of spam! This one does a good job of finding the middle road, & if anyone knows answers they might give.

It's true what you're saying about people needing answers, but I don't think it's the fault of the sites (as there are many, with varying degrees of info) - not everyone is a 'phone enthusiast' & they will probably sign up as a last resort due to a problem they've encountered & demand a quick answer! Some people are too stupid / lazy / arrogant to read the manual, or at least use the thuckin search engine or google. Makes me laugh, we have google phones, & often if we use google, we'd probably get results for this site!

It's a bit like fuzzy logic, asking the public on a public forum who have a general idea, but may not be 100% right all the time. That's why it's good to read around, & if the advice matches up from different sources then you know it's probably right.

Some google results will point you to devs pages. This info gets around to other sites. People need to chill & be a little more patient. There's also this small matter of timezones .
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Problem is, most people won't bother to read the stickies, they just pop in to ask their question and disappear. However, if there are threads in your sub forum you feel should be stickied, PM a mod and they will take a look at it. You could also send a PM to Phases and ask about becoming a guide. That way you could help keep your sub forum organized.
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Problem is, most people won't bother to read the stickies, they just pop in to ask their question and disappear. However, if there are threads in your sub forum you feel should be stickied, PM a mod and they will take a look at it. You could also send a PM to Phases and ask about becoming a guide. That way you could help keep your sub forum organized.
well at least over in the prevail sec they do.
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Personally I think this is the general android site, it's good to come here & shoot the breeze. Most of us have seen other android sites on our journeys round the web. There's the dev sites, the amateur fanboy device specific sites, sites that are just plain dead or full of spam! This one does a good job of finding the middle road, & if anyone knows answers they might give.

It's true what you're saying about people needing answers, but I don't think it's the fault of the sites (as there are many, with varying degrees of info) - not everyone is a 'phone enthusiast' & they will probably sign up as a last resort due to a problem they've encountered & demand a quick answer! Some people are too stupid / lazy / arrogant to read the manual, or at least use the thuckin search engine or google. Makes me laugh, we have google phones, & often if we use google, we'd probably get results for this site!

It's a bit like fuzzy logic, asking the public on a public forum who have a general idea, but may not be 100% right all the time. That's why it's good to read around, & if the advice matches up from different sources then you know it's probably right.

Some google results will point you to devs pages. This info gets around to other sites. People need to chill & be a little more patient. There's also this small matter of timezones .
i understand that, but like the forums has a table of contents to guide you to your device section RIGHT? well this is a table of contents for your device's section, only makes sence!
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How is this idea different than the existing All Things Root Guide sticky http://androidforums.com/galaxy-prevail-all-things-root/451804-samsung-galaxy-prevail-all-things-root-guide-updated-08-22-2012-a.html? We sent many PM's back and forth about this and that was never clarified, so please explain so we have that straight.


I think that it's a good idea, but as far as I can tell we have it implemented for all the device areas already.
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How is this idea different than the existing All Things Root Guide sticky http://androidforums.com/galaxy-prevail-all-things-root/451804-samsung-galaxy-prevail-all-things-root-guide-updated-08-22-2012-a.html? We sent many PM's back and forth about this and that was never clarified, so please explain so we have that straight.


I think that it's a good idea, but as far as I can tell we have it implemented for all the device areas already.
If you go in that thread you cannot find a specific rom or theme, it also doesn't explain or talk about the rom or theme. So my way will link you to the rom or theme thread that explains all about it. The whole reason of my idea is because the threads fall off the map and people do not know how to search for stuff. So this would be a table of contents like a book or like this forum has to direct you to your specific device area. It would just help people out better they will be able to find stuff easier rather then double and triple posting about something because they were too lazy to look for it. I see a lot of people ask a question about a rom and then they ask where do I find that, well this would make things easier.
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I started making a table of contents in the thread that you started which by the way is falling down to the bottom it is going to disappear off the first page and no 1 will ever see it again. And I can't find nothin like that in the sticky . This sticky that is there is great but it does not list of all of the other stuff like a table of contents would.
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If you go in that thread you cannot find a specific rom or theme, it also doesn't explain or talk about the rom or theme. So my way will link you to the rom or theme thread that explains all about it. The whole reason of my idea is because the threads fall off the map and people do not know how to search for stuff. So this would be a table of contents like a book or like this forum has to direct you to your specific device area. It would just help people out better they will be able to find stuff easier rather then double and triple posting about something because they were too lazy to look for it. I see a lot of people ask a question about a rom and then they ask where do I find that, well this would make things easier.
There are links to many ROM/Theme threads in that sticky. I just feel like I am missing something in regards to what you are suggesting, or that you are missing something about the existing sticky. There are headings with multiple links for the following:
  • General root info.
  • Guides
  • ROMs
  • Themes
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  • Radio/Basebands
  • Root tools & Utilities
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I don't want to stifle your idea, I just feel like it's already been implemented.
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I started making a table of contents in the thread that you started which by the way is falling down to the bottom it is going to disappear off the first page and no 1 will ever see it again. And I can't find nothin like that in the sticky . This sticky that is there is great but it does not list of all of the other stuff like a table of contents would.
I added all that info to the existing sticky. Much of it was already in there, but you suggested some stuff we'd missed.

Are you wanting a table of contents with the header links added to the All Things Root Guide sticky? That's something I think might be good.

Btw, I hope you are not confusing the thread I made asking for suggestions with the actual sticky thread that was posted by Scary Alien. (http://androidforums.com/galaxy-prevail-all-things-root/451804-samsung-galaxy-prevail-all-things-root-guide-updated-09-29-2012-a.html#post3528753 linked again in case the first link was missed.)
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There are links to many ROM/Theme threads in that sticky. I just feel like I am missing something in regards to what you are suggesting, or that you are missing something about the existing sticky. There are headings with multiple links for the following:
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I don't want to stifle your idea, I just feel like it's already been implemented
A centralized place for the links to just about everything that is important. Every link to every and anything is not in that thread are you getting that????? My idea is to make a table of contents to all of the links that are important for this specific device in this section., and I think all of the other sections should do the same .
If I was to go to another device's section, it would be nice to look like on a sticky or the first page and find a list of all of the roms themes tweaks whatever without having to search the entire threads in that section. You can click on the link and it will bring you to that thread and then it will describe what to do how to install it, the works. This sticky that is there does not do that.
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I have a prevail I'm always in the Prevail section. Let's just say I go buy and Evo and I go over to the evo section. I root my phone. Everybody's talking about a specific rom or theme that sounds cool I can just go to that table of contents and find that rom or theme click on it and it'll bring me to that thread. Or I can check out all of the others that that thread has to offer and maybe choose something different without searching through the entire forum to find it. sometimes things get passed on downer left behind the end up on page 2 or page 3 and people don't look that far. this sticky that I would like to make would have to be locked so people can't post on there and the same thing the table of contents will get lost deep in that thread. It would have to be able to be updated though. I hope that is a little more clear because I know there is nothing like that in the sticky that is there. Yes it has links in it but not every and all links.
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Hmm... I guess I'm not quite sure the differences between the way the current All Things Root guides are being done and what you are describing.

For example, on the Evo ATR Guide, we have a link to the Roms and kernels DL page, which has a link to all (or many) of the roms and kernels that are available for that device.

EVO 4G: All Things Root Guide

Are you saying something like this:
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> Rom3
With each of those linking to a page for that particular rom/kernel/theme?
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Hmm... I guess I'm not quite sure the differences between the way the current All Things Root guides are being done and what you are describing.

For example, on the Evo ATR Guide, we have a link to the Roms and kernels DL page, which has a link to all (or many) of the roms and kernels that are available for that device.

EVO 4G: All Things Root Guide

Are you saying something like this:
- ROMS -
> Rom1
> Rom2
> Rom3
With each of those linking to a page for that particular rom/kernel/theme?
pretty much yes just like that and that is what i also want or like the idea that it is closed so people don't post there and it gets lost within its own thread. and it can be updated as needed. i started it like this already and that was all i was asking and they didn't get was i was asking. i also suggested it is a good idea and all devises should do it, which you already have one. thx for the imput.
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pay attention to what version of ct mod they are for. most won't work on other versions. just backup!!!!!!!!!!!!!! before and flash away.


[THEMES] Custom themes by J6Remy [CTMOD 3.5+] *New Theme* |Yellow Choice|(Update 6/27/2012)

[THEME][CTMOD3.68] IRON MAN by Guspeed (6/18/2012)

[THEME][CTMOD3.6] BLOO XPERIA 'NCE by Guspeed (5/28/2012)

[THEME][CT] WP7 Style Blue (06/24/12)

[THEME][CTMOD3.68] CARBON-LITE 2.0 by Guspeed (6/27/2012)

[THEME][CTMOD3.4, 3.5 & 3.6] BuuF'n 1.0 by Guspeed (XPERIA-LAUNCHER UPDATE 5/17/12)

[THEME][CTMOD3.68] Red FX 2.0 by Guspeed (6/26/2012)

[THEMES] [187~MOD] Custom Themes by J6Remy

[Theme] CTMod 3.5 [GB 2.3.6] Trippy V1.2

[THEME][CTMOD3.6] CTNak'd Glass by Guspeed (5/20/2012)

[Theme] [CTMod 3.6] Cyber Green By Rarewolf [5/20/2012]

[THEME][CTMOD3.6] BIKER CHROME by Guspeed (5/20/2012)

[THEME][CTMOD3.6] CTNak'd 1.0.1 by Guspeed (BROWSER-UPDATE 5/12/2012)

[THEME][CTMod 3.5] Glorious Sunshine 1.5 by Slayer72

[Theme] (Green) Ultimate Green v. E (CTMod 3.5-3.6)

[THEME][CTMOD3.6] Dark Timez 1.0 by Guspeed (BROWSER-UPDATE 5/9/2012)

[THEME] [CTMod 3.3] Yellow on Black v1

[Theme][CTMod 3.5/3.6] ET16's ICS Theme (5/7/2012)

[THEME] CTMod 3.5 [GB 2.3.6] Trippy v1.0

[Theme] [CTMod 3.5] (2.3.6) SuperMan v1.4!!

[Theme] [CTMod3.5] [Grape Kew-Laid 1.0] By Dais Flaque

[THEME] HeXeD CTMod 3.5 [Updated 4/15/2012]

some might be missing and sorry for that.

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[ROM] CTMod 3.68 (06/18/12)

CTmod 3.6 with extras

[ROM][GB 2.3.6]HalfAssRom 2.1 - Stock on EXT4!

CyanogenMod 7 Unofficial Beta 5 02/20/12

[ROM]{GB 2.3.7}187MoD-HoneyBread6 +[Kernel]Genocide 2.6.35.14 For Non-CM7 (4/11/12)

JoyMod 1.0


[ROM][CM9 KANG][Alpha] Updated 3.5.5---6/27/12

[ROM][GB 2.3.6] d0_Prevail (8/8/12)

[ROM][Port] MokeeMod

[ROM][CTMod_3.3] DreBeats 1.3.1 [UPDATED Mar, 20]

Too late for MIUI Gingerbread?

[Rom][Port] LeWa OS Beta

[ROMS] Any ICS / Android 4.0.X ROMS for the PREVAIL?

might have forgotton some here too.



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[Kernel][GB] KoumaKernel 2.5

Odin (Return phone to Stock/Factory)

ClockWorkMod v5.0.2.7 (file system/recovery utility) update 01/12/12 FIXED

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Darktremor A2SD for Prevail [Updated 5-7-12]

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I know a lot of this stuff maybe in the sticky that is there. But not in an easy format like the one 9 to 5 posted or like what I am trying to do. Are sticky now you can't find it stop what you up to search through the whole entire thread. mine would be a table of contents for all of the downloads in 1 convenient location.
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Sounds like a good idea. I don't see any harm in it. However you might need a secondary thread so that people can post suggestions and requests if you are requiring the thread to be closed, or invite PMs with requests and update suggestions.
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Sounds like a good idea. I don't see any harm in it. However you might need a secondary thread so that people can post suggestions and requests if you are requiring the thread to be closed, or invite PMs with requests and update suggestions.
Yeah the second thread sounds like a great idea I didn't really think of thank you so much
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Then why not one thread that's open that you update yourself??
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Then why not one thread that's open that you update yourself??
Would like it to be a sticky. And then everybody posts in it and everybody goes to the last post nobody reads the middle or beginnings. A lot of new people will be in a thread asking about something you have to refer them to the op. I use to do it myself so I know what its like.
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I'm open for suggestions and really want this to work.
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Would like it to be a sticky. And then everybody posts in it and everybody goes to the last post nobody reads the middle or beginnings. A lot of new people will be in a thread asking about something you have to refer them to the op. I use to do it myself so I know what its like.
People like that generally don't read locked sticky threads, either.

It takes time for newcomers to feel of the forums. We all know. We were all new once.

I don't think that any one thread can fix that, and it sounds like that's what you are after - an automatic index that people will use the way your experience suggests is best.

People don't come just one way, though. That's why we are completely tolerant of not requiring searches before posting.

It's easy to get frustrated with people who can't find something or ask a repeated question, sure, I totally get it.

Remember how low you felt when you were a newb somewhere and someone called you out for it? Remember how grateful you felt the first time someone didn't and pointed you in the right direction?

We standardized our stickies (ok, mostly standardized) for the regulars as well as the newcomers.

Too often, people would change phones and get lost switching forums because they couldn't find things when everyplace was different. And newcomers couldn't get directed to an index in a regular, friendly fashion.

In our present way, if you want a locked sticky changed, anyone on staff can take your suggestions and do it - they're staff-owned posts.

If you own a locked sticky, that's a different matter, then only a mod can go in and change your post - or unlock it so you can, then lock it up again.

I don't think that you want or mean to create a bureaucracy to manage your index but that's the side effect you may be heading towards.

That's why we prefer open, community owned posts and threads.

And good ones that are popular with members of a device forum can get stickied, that happens all of the time.
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People like that generally don't read locked sticky threads, either.

It takes time for newcomers to feel of the forums. We all know. We were all new once.

I don't think that any one thread can fix that, and it sounds like that's what you are after - an automatic index that people will use the way your experience suggests is best.

People don't come just one way, though. That's why we are completely tolerant of not requiring searches before posting.

It's easy to get frustrated with people who can't find something or ask a repeated question, sure, I totally get it.

Remember how low you felt when you were a newb somewhere and someone called you out for it? Remember how grateful you felt the first time someone didn't and pointed you in the right direction?

We standardized our stickies (ok, mostly standardized) for the regulars as well as the newcomers.

Too often, people would change phones and get lost switching forums because they couldn't find things when everyplace was different. And newcomers couldn't get directed to an index in a regular, friendly fashion.

In our present way, if you want a locked sticky changed, anyone on staff can take your suggestions and do it - they're staff-owned posts.

If you own a locked sticky, that's a different matter, then only a mod can go in and change your post - or unlock it so you can, then lock it up again.

I don't think that you want or mean to create a bureaucracy to manage your index but that's the side effect you may be heading towards.

That's why we prefer open, community owned posts and threads.

And good ones that are popular with members of a device forum can get stickied, that happens all of the time.
Alright well when I get to making this I will start it with Just an open regular thread and if things work out and it's looking good can it be made a sticky someday?
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Alright well when I get to making this I will start it with Just an open regular thread and if things work out and it's looking good can it be made a sticky someday?
No reason why not, just let us know.

By the way, I think that agentc13 had a great idea to use the private chat with staff subforum (in here, link at top) to use as a place to put together your first cut and get any feedback from guides in your area.

When you have it as you like it, we can move it over or you can copy it, either way.

Not a requirement, just trying to help make it easier for you. After all, you'll want to test your links as you're building it, probably.
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No reason why not, just let us know.

By the way, I think that agentc13 had a great idea to use the private chat with staff subforum (in here, link at top) to use as a place to put together your first cut and get any feedback from guides in your area.

When you have it as you like it, we can move it over or you can copy it, either way.

Not a requirement, just trying to help make it easier for you. After all, you'll want to test your links as you're building it, probably.
That sounds fine I will probably do that.
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