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Old October 2nd, 2012, 08:35 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default I support Death2All110!

Since I'm not that important and wouldn't be missed I just wanted to show my support for D2A and all of our Devs by starting this thread.

With all the trouble we've had with had with support from the companies I think it's important to show the people that are there for us that they are appreciated. I love you guys like a fat kid loves cake.

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I too appreciate the hard work they do as I'm sure most of us here do. thank you guys.

I do hope you get your account unbanned death though you did ask for it, but hopefully the admins will have mercy.
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Brown no-zing, lmao ! Please mods be considerate of our small but big on support community , and resurrect DEATH2ALL110 . We really need him in efforts on deving, friendship, and one giant milestone to shove up Verizon's /Lgs ass.
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yeah let D2A back.
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This is no the place for such discussions.

We have a suggestion and feedback forum that is read consistently by most of the staff and especially the Admin.

I will move this thread for you.

EDIT: I also edited the title to reflect the full user name, otherwise it reads a little weird.
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Ok since I lost my post when this thread got moved (said either the thread was deleted or I was banned) I'll say again.
Our LG phone doesn't get a lot of love and several people reached into their own pockets and bought phones for these guys just so we can start getting SOMETHING going.

But can anyone answer... since when did "troll" become a bad word? Yes there have been a few people trolling from time to time and if I see someone trolling, I'm going to call them out. D2A was reprimanded for suggesting someone was trolling and was told he wasn't allowed to use that word.

What the hell?
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Ok since I lost my post when this thread got moved (said either the thread was deleted or I was banned) I'll say again.
Our LG phone doesn't get a lot of love and several people reached into their own pockets and bought phones for these guys just so we can start getting SOMETHING going.

But can anyone answer... since when did "troll" become a bad word? Yes there have been a few people trolling from time to time and if I see someone trolling, I'm going to call them out. D2A was reprimanded for suggesting someone was trolling and was told he wasn't allowed to use that word.

What the hell?
I'm sorry your post is gone. You may have been trying to post it while I was moving the thread.

Ok, first let me say that the word "troll" is nearly always used as an insult. It isn't necessarily a dirty word, but the meaning behind it isn't something nice. It isn't something you would ever use as a term of endearment. That is the reason we discourage the use of it, just as we discourage anyone from insulting anyone else. It has also been an all to common practice to call someone a troll simply because someone doesn't agree with what another person says. Just because there is a difference of opinion doesn't mean anyone is doing anything wrong.

As far as you or anyone else calling someone out for any reason, that isn't something you need to do. That is one of the main reasons we are here as moderators. If there is a problem in a thread all you need to do is report it. Leave the drama for us to deal with and enjoy the rest of your day. As my signature says, if a post has your blood boiling? Make a report instead of a retort. It save everyone the hassle and generally keeps our members out of trouble.

As far as what happened in this case I won't go too deep into it, because I am reading after the fact, but there was no reprimand to anyone for using the word "troll". It was encouraged to be avoided, but nobody got in trouble for using it. A PSA by any mod is typically directed at an entire thread. If we wish to single someone out for his or her actions we typically contact them via PM or through the infraction system. I do not know what you have been told or what you read, but nobody was in trouble for using the word in this case. As far as I can see, he didn't even use it.

As far as what happened after the PSA, that is between the member and the moderation team. I personally won't discuss it just like I wouldn't discuss something that happened between you and any of our staff.
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Would've been nice to know that at first ,when it should've been addressed . So no need for flaming red words, and enjoying my gs3 on xda. "Razor Max!" What a joke, goodbye .
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Dude should of never been banned, just like half my shit should of never been edited or "cleaned".. This isnt ****ing wholesomefamilysite.com.. as sure as I am that this will be deleted I gotta say calm the **** down with the nazi protocol
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Dude should of never been banned, just like half my shit should of never been edited or "cleaned".. This isnt ****ing wholesomefamilysite.com.. as sure as I am that this will be deleted I gotta say calm the **** down with the nazi protocol
This is a privately owned site with rules that you agreed to. Those include harsh language.

In addition, while everyone is going on about the mods, the truth is that he was referred to our boss, Phases, immediately.

It's fun to stand up to the man but it's more appropriate to get the facts right before accusing anyone else of being Nazis.

And decent language just makes the forums more fun for everyone.
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Would've been nice to know that at first ,when it should've been addressed . So no need for flaming red words, and enjoying my gs3 on xda. "Razor Max!" What a joke, goodbye .
Perhaps I am taking this the wrong way, but I'm getting the impression that you think we (mods) are out to get you. That somehow this is an Us Vs You type of scenario. All I can tell you is that you have it wrong.

My "flaming red words", as you described, I assume that you are referring to my last post that directed you to this thread. I made my words red so that they would be seen. When I post, my signature always shows (on my screen) so I was making the words red so that they were noticed. I apologize if they came across as angry or overbearing as this was not my intention. I simply wished for the thread to return to its original topic and for all of this to be where it needs to be. I removed the red so that nobody else would get the wrong impression.

With regards to "knowing this first" I'll again make the assumption that you are referring to my above post. I have to ask you when it would have been good to know? When did anyone, before MrDangerous did, actually ask a question? When did anyone calmly speak with any Mod or Admin questioning the use of the word? I can tell you from what I am reading that that never happened. There was simply an immediate overreaction by several members. Not once did anyone ask for clarification.

I'm not sure where the hostility comes from, but I can tell you it is misdirected.
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Look I know there is a level of respect that should be given and expected, we are (for the most part) all adults. I am in no way trying to start some forum mutiny or jus start baiting and dissin mods or anyone else.. Im just saying its kind of frustrating getting post after post deleted or moved. I appreciate this site and the outlet that it supplies to the android community but I dont think theres a need to be so stringent..
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Oh boy. 0_0 dude your fighting with the wrong people for wrong reasons. I'd just drop it. Ive said my word and now I'm staying out.
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I'm sorry a few of you are upset.

This user sent me a rather rude PM going on about wanting to be banned and have his account deleted, etc. He was pretty hateful to the mods and posted out of line on public threads.

He WORKED to get himself banned. We are always willing to work with people who are willing to work with us and talk things out, more so than we really need to be.

And no blaze, this isn't lovingfamilystuff.com but we DO try to keep it halfway respectable. Posts like yours are not only rude but a direct insult to people who have to come through and read that junk to get your message.

This is not the place that. Do you speak like that in public, in real life too? You may - and if that's the case I'm sorry for the people around you.



Edit: Further, he's creating multiple accounts and stirring stuff up, rather than doing so to try to talk to us reasonably to fix things. None of this is helping and isn't something I'm open to NOT adding to the pile of reasons he's should not be back.
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There was a thread, I don't remember which where scary alien reprimanded him for using the word troll.
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Yes, I believe because he posted:


..right after a mod posted a PSA and asked everyone to please avoid the usage. Openly taunting the mods? Generally not the best course of action to display your disagreement.
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Wow.

I'm a close friend of D2A, so I've seen both sides of this story.

All I'll say is that this is most un-professional, lying, scheming forum I've ever been a part of. To lie to your members like you are about D2A's multiple account and behavior, it sickens me. He hasn't created multiple accounts to "stir things up," he's done it continue support for the device that he developing for.

I could point out many instances where users went on the same type of rant that D2A did, but I don't care enough.

Anyway, I doubt anyone will see this before the mods/admins "clean" my post to hide the truth.

You mods and admins should be ashamed of yourselves.
That being said, I must sadly bid this forum farewell, I cannot be a part of such a corrupt forum.
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I have known D2A since the Ally days. While the guy has talent as a developer, I know he can come off as rather crass to some.

On the one Hand:
While I like D2A, everybody has to live in the rules and guidelines they agree to when using this site or it would be total chaos.

On the other Hand:
When a Developer gets himself kicked a lot of users (part of the LG Community in this case) are left feeling that the forum staffs egos are more important than forum members phones.

This is unfortunately a losing situation for D2A, the staff, and the LG Community caught off guard all of a sudden with no support.


I've changed some minds on things several times so I know Phases and the staff are willing to keep a open mind and work with people as long as it's kept mutually respectful on line. Also you can express how you really feel through back channels as long as your willing to take the final answer after you've argued your case and know when to quit.
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Well, I'm sorry you don't agree with me. We are quite professional here, and treat everyone with respect and give them the chances they deserve. Are we perfect? Well no, but who is. We try.

I believe he did create other accounts and post about our "butt hurt".

If other users have gone on the same type of rant to the same degree, with the same sent to mods and myself, they should have been treated accordingly. Please remember, we rely on reports to come in, and we have 20 moderators who work at their discretion if not as a team.

I'm not looking to argue with anyone, though. This user asked for what he got. We are not "hiding" anything, and I'm sorry you feel that way. I'm not ashamed of myself or the mods, I am actually quite proud of the staff we have and the HARD work they do.
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Wow, this got crazy pretty quickly. I do understand rules are rules, and he did kind of ask for it. He has, however, become an integral part of our dev team for our small but strong community. He has made huge strides for us in trying to bring CM9 to our device. So he isnt the most proper person and has an attitude, no big deal IMHO. Isn't things like these who make us our own individual person? I am here as part of the Android community, to learn and share knowledge and experiences. I enjoy learning about my device and doing mods and upgrades. D2A contributes a lot to the developement of a few of the devices covered on this forum. Although a little bit of a handful he is a great member of this forum to have. I find his rants and ' sticking up to the man' to be humorous, but that is just me. A temporary ban i can understand he was a little out of control, i do not feel he should have a permanent ban. He does to much for the android community.
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As much as he may do, he is bound to the rules just as everyone else is. Everyone is expected to treat people around them with respect. Are you suggesting if someone does enough work, they can fly off the handle all they want and they are then allowed to litter the community with whatever they want?

Further, it's not as if he's never been given a chance. He has had several infractions in the past, including a 7 day temp ban.

I will also say that more than a couple users have come back from "permanent" bans after a while to cool down and then talking things out with me. One is even on staff now.

Believe it or not, we are not the problem here.
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Just to not add fuel to the fire for D2A, I just want to go on the record stating that my driver for starting this thread was not any of the post by him or any of his subsequent handles. This is merely to show support for him as being one of pivotal Devs in the evolution of our android device.

That being said, I hope you (mods) maintain the professional demeanor you speak of with regards to him and don't take the comments on this thread as fuel for continued dismissal. I fully understand that the only line of action for death to regain access to his account is through talking it over with you and coming to an understanding, this is solely meant to show are support as he has been very productive for our community in terms of developing, information, on topic debate,and general acts of communion to bring us together.

Also I appreciate the thread being moved to a larger stage, but still hold that it belongs on the spectrum-all things foot forum since it a topic that directly effects the development of our phone.
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Believe it or not, we are not the problem here.
I myself never said you were, nor was i trying to imply such. I was just showing my support for him to be allowed back. I was tyring to do so in the most civil manner I could. I do not feel that the barrage of attacks on the mod team is the best way to go about trying to get a member back.

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This kind of says it all for me. He is welcome back, but its on his shoulders. I hope for all of our sakes this gets worked out. he has done great work so far and I i know the Spectrum community would like to see it continue.
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We have some rules for modding, they're pretty simple, hopefully, what you'd expect -

If you have a personal issue with someone, you turn anything concerning them over to the next available mod.

If something reported or said is making you angry, you turn that over to the next available mod. (And too much of that is cause for a vacation or a change in mod status.)

We're often accused of being angry. We're not. Maybe we sound like it if we speak in absolutes, but we try to only speak that way on rules. We don't make the rules, we're simply charged with helping folks follow them so the forums are the most fun for the most people here.

I'll bet if you're like me, you can equate every rule here to a traffic rule. And the rules are a set of correctly spelled words that in the end all say the same exact thing, over and over - Please be polite.

We're really not the crooked cops that rubber-hose people in back rooms. We're more like crossing guards, and reports to us are more like requests to help crossing the street in busy traffic. Except for the wildly obvious exceptions to that like outright piracy, fraud and spam - we're really that mild.

And when we can see the complaint side as well as the community side, we try to post helpful public service announcements (PSA). We don't just invent when to do that - we do that because one or more members of the community have complained. And we try for that only when private messages aren't enough or would seem hostile coming from us. We hate making PSAs as much as many of you hate seeing them, but sometimes it's our best tool.

Some believe that we should PM everything. I once PM'd another member that they had a nice avatar - I thought it was pretty cool. It took four PMs to settle that I wasn't being sarcastic or giving an infraction or anything.

Moderators are members first, foremost and last. We do a temporary, voluntary job, and we're all aware that we may stop being mods at any time, so we like to think that we're clever enough to not put ourselves above any of our fellow members.

No one can know all of the details of this case because other members were involved and we won't discuss that - we are charged with protecting privacy, too, so that's that.

I would like to point out that this is the second thread like this where people insist that we're going to bury evidence or hide their posts or something. And yet, they remain here, just as they did in the last one of these that cropped up. So, maybe that says something about what bad guys we're not.

This month, we're all dressing up as vampires. (I get to be the vampire hunter! ) Next time, it might be funny hats.

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I'm sorry a few of you are upset.

This user sent me a rather rude PM going on about wanting to be banned and have his account deleted, etc. He was pretty hateful to the mods and posted out of line on public threads.

He WORKED to get himself banned. We are always willing to work with people who are willing to work with us and talk things out, more so than we really need to be.

And no blaze, this isn't lovingfamilystuff.com but we DO try to keep it halfway respectable. Posts like yours are not only rude but a direct insult to people who have to come through and read that junk to get your message.

This is not the place that. Do you speak like that in public, in real life too? You may - and if that's the case I'm sorry for the people around you.



Edit: Further, he's creating multiple accounts and stirring stuff up, rather than doing so to try to talk to us reasonably to fix things. None of this is helping and isn't something I'm open to NOT adding to the pile of reasons he's should not be back.
Isn't it funny how people will gladly hide behind the anonymity of a forum or email and say things that they wouldn't probably never say to your face. I've been doing this (email, forums and such) kind of stuff since the early 1980's (yep, I'm old...) and early on realized that the safest and least embarrassing thing to do if you get your dander up about something is, before you hit "send", to write it down elsewhere, look it over several times and think about whether you would like someone to act like that towards you.

As a footnote: if I invite you into my house and you act like an ass I will throw you out...
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Isn't it funny how people will gladly hide behind the anonymity of a forum or email and say things that they wouldn't probably never say to your face. I've been doing this (email, forums and such) kind of stuff since the early 1980's (yep, I'm old...) and early on realized that the safest and least embarrassing thing to do if you get your dander up about something is, before you hit "send", to write it down elsewhere, look it over several times and think about whether you would like someone to act like that towards you.
Very wise words.

I've often discovered, as I'm sure others have too, that what we write in black and white (ok, grayish blue) has no mannerisms or facial expressions attached to it. This unfortunately leaves anything open to interpretation by the reader.
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I miss D2A. He has done great work for us Spectrum owners along with all the other Devs. Now that my work has sent me a LG Lucid...I now have 2 LG android phones with a very very small community and very little support. I am on car forums all day and everything that I have seen on this forum is very mild.

I have seen threads get black holed and post deleted...and then some not at all...this is by far the strictest forum i visit....and makes zero sense to me. This is the internetz, there will always be trolling.

D2A, i hope you work it out with the mods.

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... I am on car forums all day and everything that I have seen on this forum is very mild...
Exactly.



Anyway, I've said my peace here. I may pop back in later but otherwise - someone PM me if needed.
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So first things first, I'm well aware there's no 'freedom of speech' on a private forum and I'm also well aware you all control the rights to the content here.

That said, you all are over-moderating threads AND moderating them in ways that are lopsided. Posts get deleted and the author never knows, posts seemingly benign in nature are deleted because they're the last in a chain of a tangent from the original thread/topic and posts that don't meet your standards are deleted and/or users are banned. It also seems like you enforce on people when they say something you don't like, which is an abuse of a moderator's power. It's your right to enforce on those statements you don't like, sure, but it's akin to a dystopian future like in V for Vendetta.

No one likes repressive police departments and that's basically what you are here.

- Moderate when a post is in the wrong place.
- Warn people when you're notified of a post *AND* it really presents a disruption to the thread/forum (not just one user being pissy about the reply of another)
- Delete posts if they are a pattern of violation and the user was warned.
- Ban when someone has repeatedly flaunted the rules.

All of the above foster a positive environment where the open discourse of ideas and opinions can be presented, while maintaining the integrity of the forum. Otherwise, you're going to push users away. While it's a free service and you may not give a s**t about shunning users, your reputation as a 'source' for Android will slowly erode, as Android is one of the strongest user-based community products on the planet.

There, I've said my peace.
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Our policy is to PM on all deletes. Being human, we sometimes goof. If we do, please ask your friendly local mod what happened.

The rest I think I addressed above.
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I don't think you have. Jumping in to threads where two people are engaged in heated discussion, as I've seen done before, just to break it up, rather than let it run its course, is part of the problem.

If convo turns to personal attacks and really vulgar language, hit 'em... but that's not what I'm seeing.

I came here because it was one of the best places to get info for the LG Spectrum and because I hate the childish crap @ XDA, but y'all are pushing the devs (and users) away, so I have to get my info from other places. Maybe D2A crossed the line, but this isn't even about him... it's about users like ME voicing our concerns over how you're handling the moderation of this site and us telling you we're going to stop using it if it keeps up. I'm sure you're thinking "don't let the door hit ya on the way out...", but it needed to be said.
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I'm sure you're thinking "don't let the door hit ya on the way out...", but it needed to be said.
Actually, that would be the last thing I'd think about any feedback on us. I'm sad that you believe that of us, or me.

It's easier for us to understand and improve if the going in position on both sides is that the other guy just wants what's best for the site and all of the members here.

That's how I look at you, honestly, and that's the light that I'm trying to understand your post in.

PS - mods ought be breaking up heated debates only when the language turns personal - because it's ok to attack issues here, but not each other personally.

Anything else ought be asked to the mod in question personally, or reported directly to Admin, your choice, as is your stated right here.
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It's easier for us to understand and improve if the going in position on both sides is that the other guy just wants what's best for the site and all of the members here.

That's how I look at you, honestly, and that's the light that I'm trying to understand your post in.
Well, I appreciate that.

I in no way want to tell you how to run your operation, but I've been on many forums and mod'd a few and I find the best ones are those that allow tangents and heavy back-and-forth to exist. But I feel like mods here step in when there's some tangent in a thread, which can prevent users from feeling they have the ability to reject or counter something said in a thread.

I honestly think if two people are going back and forth, others can jump in to support/reject either side and that actually can end or sway the conversation to a conclusion. When it doesn't, the replies escalate and then the language and personal nature tends to clearly violate forum rules and warrants mod intervention.

Of course, the only place I feel that kind of tangent and back-and-forth is never warranted is in a dev release thread for a rom; those threads are for bug reporting only.

So I guess my suggestion is less regulation and more objective analysis of complaints submitted to see if they *really* are attacks or foul language, or if they're just two people replying and one not being as articulate as he/she would like.

*edit*

Regarding your PS, I think that's the issue... mods are interjecting before something is personal. It tends to be one person not liking what the other said or a reply that appears personal because the party willingly gave that information and the replier used it to show their statement as false. I've never seen really personal, harsh attacks here (which I've seen some vicious ones on other forums), yet the mods are interjecting a lot, seemingly before it gets too personal... do you guys have a 'pre-crime' department and some precogs floating in tanks somewhere?
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Telling us how to run the operation or how to do a better job serving you is always welcome here!

It's why this particular forum exists.

No one likes a heavy handed mod. I hate that. And I've goofed before - I'm guilty. I wish I never were, but I'm human and I've booted a few.

When the users have pointed it out, I've often apologized and corrected the intrusions.

Please just let us know. That's all we ask. Unlike maybe some other forums, that's ok here.

The incidents that started this thread would have never happened and unraveled if instead of a public show-down leading to more complaints, the guy had just talked to us, or reported us to Phases, so whatever the real problems were could be worked out.

I can't fix the past, so the takeaways I'm offering are - let us know how to improve under the assumption that we care too, and that mods don't have the final word here.
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Regarding your PS, I think that's the issue... mods are interjecting before something is personal. It tends to be one person not liking what the other said or a reply that appears personal because the party willingly gave that information and the replier used it to show their statement as false. I've never seen really personal, harsh attacks here (which I've seen some vicious ones on other forums), yet the mods are interjecting a lot, seemingly before it gets too personal...
Ok, if that's the case, it needs to be reported, or discussed with the mod.

If you report a mod, a team reviews (and believe it or not, it's not a foregone conclusion). If you report them to Phases, he reviews.

If you report a mod, you'll likely get a reply from another mod. That's part of the review process, depending on the particular case.

Sometimes, a mod jumps the gun. Or issues a bad infraction. We correct those and apologize sincerely.

Sometimes, it's a perception issue - and what's left is what's happened after a thread clean and the parties involved have PM'd together with a mod. (It's not unheard of for a forum to be upset with us but the parties involved are not, because those parties know their full posting history.)

This is ok -

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How many times do I have to explain that you're wrong on this technical point, here are the reasons again, XYZ.
This is not ok -

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What kind of moronic opinion is that? Have you been living under a rock?!?
If you see mods breaking up stuff that's ok, please let us know.

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do you guys have a 'pre-crime' department and some precogs floating in tanks somewhere?
Ok, I don't care who you are, that's just funny right there!




edit and ps - Some people act like idiots for the sole purpose of disrupting threads. Ok to report them, let us sort them out.
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Sometimes, it's a perception issue - and what's left is what's happened after a thread clean and the parties involved have PM'd together with a mod. (It's not unheard of for a forum to be upset with us but the parties involved are not, because those parties know their full posting history.)

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I have no clue what lead to the ban, but to me "a perception issue of a entire forum" should be a major concern when moderating, that's really what this entire thread is all about.
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I have no clue what lead to the ban, but to me "a perception issue of a entire forum" should be a major concern when moderating, that's really what this entire thread is all about.
I wasn't referring to this case. In the cases I was referring to, the parties involved asked others to go easy on the mods.

I'd rather not rehash what happened myself, Phases has addressed and explained it.

I apologize for the confusion. I was trying to give several examples of cases I've seen in response to a question as I understood it.
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THATS HORSE SHIT!!! You mods have become drunk with power and im gonna report you all to the cyber police
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..right after a mod posted a PSA and asked everyone to please avoid the usage. Openly taunting the mods? Generally not the best course of action to display your disagreement.
Must have gotten deleted before I saw it which is understandable.
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That's true! I can verify they use rolled up phone books!
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I don't think you have. Jumping in to threads where two people are engaged in heated discussion, as I've seen done before, just to break it up, rather than let it run its course, is part of the problem.

If convo turns to personal attacks and really vulgar language, hit 'em... but that's not what I'm seeing.

I came here because it was one of the best places to get info for the LG Spectrum and because I hate the childish crap @ XDA, but y'all are pushing the devs (and users) away, so I have to get my info from other places. Maybe D2A crossed the line, but this isn't even about him... it's about users like ME voicing our concerns over how you're handling the moderation of this site and us telling you we're going to stop using it if it keeps up. I'm sure you're thinking "don't let the door hit ya on the way out...", but it needed to be said.
The "childish crap @ XDA" is exactly what this forum would devolve into without proper moderation. Agreed, it's not the Wild West like some forums, but that's what I like about it. People here aren't scared to ask what they might think is a "dumb" question for fear of being insulted or ridiculed. The mods have a tough job straddling the line between keeping this a friendly and civil place, and stifling legitimate debates. I think by and large they are doing good work at a largely thankless volunteer job. Stop by Politics and Current Affairs if you think this place is over moderated lol.
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Why I have argued that it has no place on this forum, it use to be a good place to get yourself banned!
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Lol politics forums seems to be the place where all hell breaks loose and people lose their composure. I have no doubt it's the most colorful of the forums here.
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Honestly i think this forum is moderated fine, a lot of times the mods come to make a comment to make themselves known, that hey, this thread is being watched, it isn't so much like big brother, but like just letting you know that the rules are in place and you will get reprimanded if you do something wrong, but it is so very much necessary to have mods like that.

This is one of the better forums i have been on because the moderating team and guide team for that matter is so diligent about keeping this forum clean of flamers and rude members.

I have talked with a handful of mods and guides and get nothing but positive comments from them, they are all nice people, it's just when someone gets banned and members liked him, someone has to be seen as the bad guy, and unfortunately 100% of the time it is going to be the people who banned him, the mods.


To sum things up, i love how this forum is ran, i think mods/guides you guys do a great job at handling things and i dont think they need to be changed. The rules are honestly pretty straight forward, you should know if you are breaking them or not!
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Get rid of the main dev for a device. People leave the forums. After
seeing all this happen like it did. Plus other times I've seen mods go powerhungry on this site aggravates me.
Ill make sure the spectrum is the last phone I buy that is mainly devved from these forums.
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The "childish crap @ XDA" is exactly what this forum would devolve into without proper moderation. Agreed, it's not the Wild West like some forums, but that's what I like about it. People here aren't scared to ask what they might think is a "dumb" question for fear of being insulted or ridiculed. The mods have a tough job straddling the line between keeping this a friendly and civil place, and stifling legitimate debates. I think by and large they are doing good work at a largely thankless volunteer job. Stop by Politics and Current Affairs if you think this place is over moderated lol.
Honestly. The childish crap at xda varies by device. I've never really had problems with xda. Just never ask dumb questions in the more popular forums and you'll be good. I've used xda since 09. And I like the xda way of dealing with t****s. Alot of sarcastic and mostly funny posts. There the most frequent users of a certain section point the mods to threads that need to be locked or deleted or whatever. Here. We have mods that have never posted in the spectrum forum trying to be dictator. That's not a good way to run things. Just because someone is a manager at McDonald's. Don't mean they would be best at managing an olive garden. (Hopefully y'all get the analogy I meant) I'm done noe. I've shared my. 02. And now I'm out. Now off to xda. And hopefully the orchestra will give me any info I need about the spectrum
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