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Old September 23rd, 2008, 01:49 PM   #1 (permalink)
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htc made so beautiful things the last month (touch pro, touch diamond). why does that g1 have to be so ugly. but anyway... i thought that thing is called "OPEN handset alliance". so why do i have to switch to t-mobile in order to be able to use android? i want to buy my (maybe htc) phone and choose a carrier i like. i donīt buy my pc from my isp either.
(actually: why cant i just download android and install it on my john dow phone? just like i can download linux and install it on any pc-hardware)

and btw: iīve just seen the g1-presentation on t-mobileg1.com. quite poor. did they show/say anything what not everyone already knew? if the wannabe-steve-jobsī make such a deal out of their release (with announcement and stuff on their website), they should at least keep it down before. and i would have expected some flash microsite about the g1! not this poor animation with information we knew one year ago...

ah ya... one more thing: not just the hardware design is to cry. also the interfece design. you can see what htc made out of win moblie 6 (touch series). this is really great. even apple cant stand this. but now... on the g1. android looks like software by a 1st year informatics student. even worse than windows...

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Actually, no you didn't.

Anyway, I like the design. After having my Dash for almost two years, anything looks better.

OPEN is not about taking it from carrier to carrier. It's there to allow the user to customize (nearly) everything. I'm not a JAVA developer, but it looks like I'll learn so I can build some apps that would be useful to me. I could do it with WM, but I've never really gotten into it. WM is rather clunky.

From what I've seen, this is a great FIRST PHONE for the OS.
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looks great to me, I have the MDA from HTC and I didn't mind that one either.
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I didn't know that I'd care for the look much until I saw it in video's. It's smaller than I thought it would be. I like it.

However, I too would like to be able to put Android on whatever device I wanted. And take any device to any carrier - much like how computers/isp's work.
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Actually, no you didn't.
how do you know?

well... and as we say: tastes are different. fortunately.
but after seeing the latest htc windowsmobile devices i just was quite disapointed by the g1 hardware and software design.

and if you think OPEN means that you can write your own applications: you could do that for any java-able device out there. if its my 4 year old cellphone or the housemanager which closes my parents windowshades at night. OPEN to me means i can choose whatever provider/carrier, software or hardware i like. of course every hardware needs itīs drivers to be able to be used by software...
for my pc i can choose if i like a intel or an amd cpu, an ati or a nvidia graphics card, there are dozens of ram manufacturers. then i choose if i want to run xp or vista or even ubuntu. and then, a totally diffrent desicion: i choose if i want cable- dsl- or whatever internet.

but if google want to do it like jobs...

so, nix fuer ungut
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how do you know?
Sorry. Your initial post gave me the impression that you were just a troll.

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well... and as we say: tastes are different. fortunately.
but after seeing the latest htc windowsmobile devices i just was quite disapointed by the g1 hardware and software design.

and if you think OPEN means that you can write your own applications: you could do that for any java-able device out there. if its my 4 year old cellphone or the housemanager which closes my parents windowshades at night. OPEN to me means i can choose whatever provider/carrier, software or hardware i like. of course every hardware needs itīs drivers to be able to be used by software...
for my pc i can choose if i like a intel or an amd cpu, an ati or a nvidia graphics card, there are dozens of ram manufacturers. then i choose if i want to run xp or vista or even ubuntu. and then, a totally diffrent desicion: i choose if i want cable- dsl- or whatever internet.

but if google want to do it like jobs...

so, nix fuer ungut
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Well, your definition of Open isn't the same as the Alliance. You can take it to any GSM provider if you get it unlocked. I'm sure that will be available about a month after release.

As for companies like Sprint and Verizon, that's a while off. Until a standard is set for cell services, I doubt we see a phone that will cross all providers.

I think the hardware and software are better than the iPhone. The keyboard is nice, it sounds like the market won't have crazy restrictions like iPhone Apps, and the interface looks comparable to the iPhone.

It gives you the flash of the iPhone, Instinct, etc. for a decent price and it's much more customizable since the API's are provided for free.
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hi,
the hardware and software is sure better than iphones. no doubt.
and i realize that you will be able to use "skins" to customize the
interfacedesign. at least the graphics. interfacedesign is more than
graphics as we all know. but i will not say anything about usability
and interaction before i had chance to test it.
but after all.. if you compare the touch pro design to the g1 design...

and i see that you usaīs are used to buy phones from a certain
carrier. in europe you could find nearly every model at every
carriers shop. and if not, you were always free to buy your
favorite phone at any store unlocked (of course more expensive,
but without loosing warranty) and buy the service contract you like.
but since ipone it gets more like in us. manufacturers bind the
phone to a certain carrier. and the contracts bind you for two
or even three years (before it was one year).

btw: will every manufacturer be able and allowed to use android on
their models? or just members of the oha? or will non-members have
to pay a "fee"? how is it with winmobile? everyone could buy it,
couldnīt one?

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let's clear something up about "open" as to how it pertains to two different things in this case.

there is the open source OS, android. the OS is based on linux, and is open source. this means the OS kernel can be rewritten without the owner's permission, but credit must be given for derivative works. this means the OS can be reworked by anyone as they see fit.

the second "open" is the open handset alliance, for which google, t-mobile, and sprint are a part of. AT&T and verizon are not a part of the open handset alliance. what the OHA is designed to do is to set the standard for an open OS to be freely distributed and applied to a range of handsets, or is otherwise hardware agnostic. it has nothing to do with subsidy locking or inter-carrier compatibility; as you know tmo has joined att and verizon on LTE while sprint will be adopting wimax for their respective 4g technologies, and thus not compatible. in this case, the OHA is about hardware agnostic operating systems so that developers can create apps that can function on a deeper level of integration with MANY devices.

but as for the aesthetics, yeah... it's ugly IMO. but realize this is the ifrst handset in the open handset alliance and android program. there will be more hardware down the road of varying styles, all running android if this program gets off the ground.


as for the design, look to Google's mobile platform Director, Andy Rubin... he used to work for Danger and had designed the Sidekick. so now you know.
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but realize this is the ifrst handset in the open handset alliance and android program.
but itīs not the first to be built by htc :P

anyway, there are much more ugly devices on the market! i just like the touch pro so much. but i sure prefer android to wm6...

but what i did not yet get is if non-oha manufacturers will be able to use android on their deivices...

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but itīs not the first to be built by htc :P

anyway, there are much more ugly devices on the market! i just like the touch pro so much. but i sure prefer android to wm6...

but what i did not yet get is if non-oha manufacturers will be able to use android on their deivices...

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i implied this, but obviously i need to spell it out for you: Andy Rubin designed the handset, HTC just built it.

and no, only alliance members will be able to use the OS for free. there is not yet a paid distro system for the OS, so at this point, only OHA members can use it.
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Actually, no you didn't.

Anyway, I like the design. After having my Dash for almost two years, anything looks better.

OPEN is not about taking it from carrier to carrier. It's there to allow the user to customize (nearly) everything. I'm not a JAVA developer, but it looks like I'll learn so I can build some apps that would be useful to me. I could do it with WM, but I've never really gotten into it. WM is rather clunky.

From what I've seen, this is a great FIRST PHONE for the OS.
Same here. I ordered the G1 yesterday morning when it was available. Not only is it CHEAP but it looks alot better than my Dash with WM 6.1. Im excited.
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You have 6.1 on your Dash? Did you just download it from MS? I wanted to try that.
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yes sir i do. Ill post a screen shot. :-) One sec
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Where did you find the download. I can't find a place on MS's stupid site.
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Where did you find the download. I can't find a place on MS's stupid site.
Why dont you PM me so i can give my AIM or MSN so i can walk you thru it.
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i implied this, but obviously i need to spell it out for you
thx, and sry, iīm not native english speaking (just know it from the movies )
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I just want to interject and reinforce the beauty of OPEN.

Some people will love the G1 hardware from HTC. The trackball and chin on the bottom are actually very useful and the keyboard is rather nice. I hate touch screen keyboards.

Others will HATE it. But any carrier and any manufacturer can come out with another Android device. With different specs. With different features. Different shapes, sizes, weights, materials. Its not like we're all waiting on HTC and T-Mobile to come out with the next Android phone 1 year from now.

Not everyone will like the G1 and the companies clearly went for the mainstream consumer with this model. Its a good choice for a starting Android device. There will be plenty of other Android devices focused at the higher end and lower ends, too. This one is somewhere in the middle which gets everyone's attention.

By the way, I think it looks ugly... in PICTURES. Once you're holding the device it looks rather nice.
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Rob, is that the brown G1 in the media pictures you posted? It looks like a dark brown that's almost black.
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yah... i think iīll wait and see what happens. maybe if i see it in real ichange my mind...

but btw:
says former product marketing manager at google mobile ulf waschbusch

but for now it shall be good :P
hf and enjoy your phone...
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the hardware and software is sure better than iphones. no doubt.
and i realize that you will be able to use "skins" to customize the
interfacedesign. at least the graphics. interfacedesign is more than
graphics as we all know. but i will not say anything about usability
and interaction before i had chance to test it.
but after all.. if you compare the touch pro design to the g1 design...
Ehh?

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so, what does this tell us?
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so, what does this tell us?
The iPhone is easily skinned also.
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ah, yeah... but i didnīt say that the iphone interface design is bad. just that android software itself is better (first of all more flexible)...

but now i just get another idea (though i may not be the first one to have it) : would it be possible to install android on the iphone? not that it would make sense for the iphone hardware is quite constricted. just theoretically...
but maybe i should just go to bed (itīs almost 4 am here)
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But can you send me an MMS? j/k
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Yep. Been able to do that for ages.
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Yep. Been able to do that for ages.
yea my younger brother has the 1st gen iphone. ive seen all the tweaks and hacks has to do just to get the functionality of a phone from the year 2000. I make fun of him all the time :-). I like the iPhone for what it is, but the novelty wears off alot faster than the Nintendo Wii.
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yea my younger brother has the 1st gen iphone. ive seen all the tweaks and hacks has to do just to get the functionality of a phone from the year 2000. I make fun of him all the time :-). I like the iPhone for what it is, but the novelty wears off alot faster than the Nintendo Wii.
I think you are in for a big surprise if you think we are not going to tweak and hack the crap out of android to get all the things get want. There is no novelty to the iPhone, it is the most advanced phone out right now. Just because a bunch of teenage kids have one doesn't make it crap. Doesn't matter to me, I will have both.
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I think you are in for a big surprise if you think we are not going to tweak and hack the crap out of android to get all the things get want. There is no novelty to the iPhone, it is the most advanced phone out right now. Just because a bunch of teenage kids have one doesn't make it crap. Doesn't matter to me, I will have both.
Its advanced in that it has a MULTI touch screen and nice resolution....but thats where it all ends.
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I bet once Google open source the OS, we will be seeing multi touch from the Android developing community soon.
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@_kweso

You are contradicting yourself.
You seem to talk negatively about Android and its interface design, then you praise it.

Which is it?
You like it, hate it, or want it?
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To be honest, I read about three posts before I decided to post. Since Android is so open to new developers and programs, I'm positive you will see different themes on the phone aswell.

Sure, some may not like the Google OS Design. I love it. But if you really dislike it that much, just wait till you get a hand on what some designers can do. :P
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You like it, hate it, or want it?
ok, to make it clear:

1. i LOVE the android os (the software architecture and what programmers made with it)
2. i DONT LIKE the screendesign (and for what iīve seen, usability could be better)
3. i DONT LIKE the hardwaredesign of the g1 (especially the small buttons on the chin and the fact that the front is devided)
4. i sure WANT a phone with android!
5. i HATE nothing but the supidity of mankind which destroys its own world!!!


about 2: i now that there will be skins or something like that to change the screendesign. for i am a designer i maybe will design my own... depends on how complicated it is and on how much spare time i have.
about 3: i know that opinons are different and i will just wait for the next gPones. if they dont come this year, i maybe will buy a g1 because a good software is more important to me than a nice shell.

hope now everything is clear
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Until you can hold it, it is really pointless to make comments about what it looks like through pictures on the web. I cant think of a single review of the phone that said it was not nicer in person.
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... i will just wait for the next gPones. if they dont come this year...

hope now everything is clear
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You may be in for a longer wait than anticipated. There are no scheduled releases for any other phone for 2008.

And yes, everything is clear now. Thank you for that.
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By the way, I think it looks ugly... in PICTURES. Once you're holding the device it looks rather nice.
That's how I felt about the Dash...in photos it was the ugliest thing I've ever seen. Then I went to the T-mobile booth to get a new phone...and I saw this beautiful little gem of a phone sitting there...not trying to look too high-tech, not looking like crap...and I had to get it. After that I just fell in love with it. lol. I'm hoping the G1 has the same effect on me. It looks bad in photos, good on video...and hopefully great in hand.

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Default I don't think it's really ugly....

I think they just tried to hard to make an iphone. I wish they would have made it a lot better. But it's really not that bad for version one.

I saw a pretty good in depth article.

http://droidish.com/2008/09/30/getting-to-know-the-google-phone-t-mobiles-android-powered-g1/
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