My son wants a phone that allows wifi access, but no dataplan on AT&T. I've heard that we can buy a phone from someone else, insert his sim card, and then he can use it without a dataplan. Is that possible? What if the phone was originally sold by AT&T, will that still work? Can all the Android configuration be done over Wifi instead of a dataplan?
If I buy an AT&T phone directly from AT&T for my wife, but she doesn't use it, instead gives it to my son, calls AT&T and tells them that her sim card is back in her old phone, so they need to cancel her dataplan. Then once canceled, she "sells" the phone to my son who unlocks the phone and inserts his sim card....
Will AT&T force him to get a dataplan, or can he skate by with wifi only? We're all on the same AT&T account, so I'm worried that they will see the recently purchased phone and trigger a dataplan.
an eligible tiered pricing data plan is required for certain Devices, including iPhones and other designated Smartphones. Eligible voice and tiered pricing data plans cover voice and data usage in the U.S. and do not cover International voice and data usage and charges. If it is determined that you are using a voice-capable Device without a voice plan, or that you are using an iPhone or designated Smartphone without an eligible voice and tiered data plan, AT&T reserves the right to switch you to the required plan or plans and bill you the appropriate monthly fees. In the case of the tiered data plan, you will be placed on the data plan which provides you with the greatest monthly data usage allowance. If you determine that you do not require that much data usage in a month, you may request a lower data tier at a lower monthly recurring fee.
I think that AT&T will require a data plan on any smartphone like other US carriers do.
This. If they recognize your IMEI as a smartphone (Android, Blackberry, iOS, WP7), they can just add a data plan to your account. Might not happen right away but they do system sweeps so you can probably expect a data package added to the account sooner or later.
As far as I'm aware, the only major carrier that doesn't require a data plan if you bring your own device is T-Mobile.
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This. If they recognize your IMEI as a smartphone (Android, Blackberry, iOS, WP7), they can just add a data plan to your account. Might not happen right away but they do system sweeps so you can probably expect a data package added to the account sooner or later.
As far as I'm aware, the only major carrier that doesn't require a data plan if you bring your own device is T-Mobile.
Happens as soon as you install the AT&T SIM, and register an AT&T branded "smart phone" on the network.
This. If they recognize your IMEI as a smartphone (Android, Blackberry, iOS, WP7), they can just add a data plan to your account. Might not happen right away but they do system sweeps so you can probably expect a data package added to the account sooner or later.
As far as I'm aware, the only major carrier that doesn't require a data plan if you bring your own device is T-Mobile.
I guess I was wrong, or maybe it's different in Canada. I had a friend use an iPhone and a Nokia N96 on Rogers prepaid a few years ago without any issues.
Just buy a unlocked smartphone that's NOT AT&T branded on amazon, ebay, etc. and then have your son drop his sim card in it. There are some basic Nokia smartphones with WiFi on amazon and they should work fine on AT&T, without the system automatically adding a data plan to it.
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My son wants a phone that allows wifi access, but no dataplan on AT&T. I've heard that we can buy a phone from someone else, insert his sim card, and then he can use it without a dataplan. Is that possible? What if the phone was originally sold by AT&T, will that still work? Can all the Android configuration be done over Wifi instead of a dataplan?
I don't know if this would help but I have an app called "Toggle net switch widget" which allows you to turn off the wifi, 3g, bluetooth, etc. If you installed it and turned off the 3G so it was never on, then At&t wouldn't detect it on it's network, maybe
I don't know if this would help but I have an app called "Toggle net switch widget" which allows you to turn off the wifi, 3g, bluetooth, etc. If you installed it and turned off the 3G so it was never on, then At&t wouldn't detect it on it's network, maybe
As AT&T doesn't look at the data use but rather at the IMEI, this isn't really any help. My dad's dumb phone wasn't getting any signal so I put my dad's postpaid SIM inside my LG Quantum with cellular data disabled for like 5 minutes to test if it was the phone or SIM with the problem and the next day, the LG Quantum showed up on the account page. Promptly switched it back to his actual phone so was never hit with a data plan. Besides, I don't think AT&T can just add a data package to your account right away. As far as I'm aware, they still need to notify you first (could be via text, email, bill) before they can add one to your account.
Sorry if I'm hijacking, so I just received a Samsung Galaxy S2 (the at&t model) from my aunt. If I do not want to get charged for data, I have to unlock it or would I have to return it and get the international version?
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Sorry if I'm hijacking, so I just received a Samsung Galaxy S2 (the at&t model) from my aunt. If I do not want to get charged for data, I have to unlock it or would I have to return it and get the international version?
Neither will work for long. AT&T does not permit a smartphone on its network without a data plan. They will identify the model by IMEI and add it to your plan.
If I buy an AT&T phone directly from AT&T for my wife, but she doesn't use it, instead gives it to my son, calls AT&T and tells them that her sim card is back in her old phone, so they need to cancel her dataplan. Then once canceled, she "sells" the phone to my son who unlocks the phone and inserts his sim card....
Will AT&T force him to get a dataplan, or can he skate by with wifi only? We're all on the same AT&T account, so I'm worried that they will see the recently purchased phone and trigger a dataplan.
U will have a dataplan. No way around it. Just get ur son a gophone plan and use let him use that, gophone smartphone plans don't require data. $50 unltd talk/text. Unlimited wifi
Neither will work for long. AT&T does not permit a smartphone on its network without a data plan. They will identify the model by IMEI and add it to your plan.
Hmmm, what if I get an unlocked? (So I could use it for T-mobile) I really want to invest in an Android because I think the Wi-fi comes in handy a lot for me, but there isn't any point if I buy it but won't be able to use the wifi
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Hmmm, what if I get an unlocked? (So I could use it for T-mobile) I really want to invest in an Android because I think the Wi-fi comes in handy a lot for me, but there isn't any point if I buy it but won't be able to use the wifi
Unlocking wont change anything. You are still using AT&T's network
Yep, what they said. As soon as your device connects to AT&T's network, the system can see the IMEI and SIM info for the device. They usually will start charging you for a data plan that they automatically add to the line right away. I don't think they are even required to notify you of this at the time, because it is spelled out in AT&T's terms and conditions of your contract.
If your son wants a WiFi-only device, you might want to consider getting him something like an iPod Touch, that can connect to WiFi but does not require a data plan. Otherwise, you'll just have to accept that like death and taxes, it is a certainty that AT&T will charge you for a smartphone on their network.
You can actually have AT&T block mobile data to a phone. I have 2 smartphones on my my plan that do not have a corresponding data plan associated w/ them. The downside is that you will not be able to receive MMS on those phones.
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Hi! I'm thinking about getting an unlocked Samsung Galaxy Mini Android. I do not want to pay for data (I just want to use WIFI) because I'm around wifi 90% of the time. If I buy one that is unlocked can I just insert my sim without AT&T automatically charging me data? Is there something I can do to the phone so AT&T doesn't charge me?
No, not really. You phone will be itentified as a smart phone and a data plan will be required.
No, not really. You phone will be itentified as a smart phone and a data plan will be required.
aw dang. what a bs policy. i was hoping using something like this https://market.android.com/details?id=com.codecarpet.apndroid.pro&hl=en before inserting my sim card so it would prevent the phone from using data initially to prevent at&t from finding out. but it sounds like it won't work out...
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aw dang. what a bs policy. i was hoping using something like this https://market.android.com/details?id=com.codecarpet.apndroid.pro&hl=en before inserting my sim card so it would prevent the phone from using data initially to prevent at&t from finding out. but it sounds like it won't work out...
It's not the data use or the APN that AT&T uses, it's the IMEI that identifies your device. Trying to mask or modify that is strictly verboten (and illegal).
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I've purchased an unlocked quad-band Android OEM (non-branded) smart phone directly from China manufacturer to replace my old ATT Nokia 2600 without data plan.
The new device recognizes a Nokia SIM card but unable to connect ATT network.
I called ATT customer support and a guy asked me to insert SIM card into Android to look what version SIM card is of.
Then he replied I need a new SIM card from local ATT store. He doesn't mention a data plan or whatever similar. Tomorrow I will know how it works if it will.
Selection of what handheld to use, smart or regular is my right and limiting me in this issue is my consumer right violation. In case ATT will insist, I'll file complaints to FCC and our state Attorney General.
Know your rights and protect them.
You will need a data plan if you get a SIM card from AT&T.
Filing a complaint to the FCC will do nothing, as they do not regulate business, and it is completely legal for companies to make whatever rules they want. It isn't a law to own a cell phone, so therefore AT&T can do whatever it wants.
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Oh, yes, 'it is completely legal for companies to make whatever rules they want', including those violate federal laws, human and consumer rights and American Constitution.
Also, it is legal to charge for the service (data plan) that customer never subscribed to and unable to use.
What if next day I switch back to my old non-smart phone? Will they recognize my 'new' handheld as non-smart phone and cancel the data plan added on data device detection?
Dude, they don't violate any laws or consumer rights. Like I said, I will spell it out for you in a nice way:
There is no law in owning a cell phone. There is more than one cell phone company to choose from. Each company is located in a free market enterprise system, part of the United States' economy. Therefore, the companies can make certain regulations and rules on how they do business with the customer. If you don't like their practices, you DON'T have to give them your business.
If AT&T was the only cell phone provider and it was a law to own a cell phone, then yes, they would have to observe certain laws and standards set forth by the Department of Commerce.
Complaining to the FCC would do nothing, as they handle the telecommunications part of the operations, not the business aspects.
What part of the Constitution do they break?
According to their Terms and Conditions, if you want their service, you have to agree to certain rules and standards. This being if you put in a SIM card from a non-smartphone into a smartphone, you will have a data plan added on. Not sure if they will cancel your data plan if you reverse those steps.
Dude, your generalizations about rights and rules are pointless and useless in this topic context. I don't want to support those anymore and leave the forum.
It's a right of any customer do not to pay for non-existing service or non-delivered merchandise, especially if you didn't order that.
I had a problem and I solved that in my favor, regardless of what some rules and disclaimers might state.
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Dude, your generalizations about rights and rules are pointless and useless in this topic context. I don't want to support those anymore and leave the forum.
It's a right of any customer do not to pay for non-existing service or non-delivered merchandise, especially if you didn't order that.
I had a problem and I solved that in my favor, regardless of what some rules and disclaimers might state.
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I'm on att using a Smartphone without a data plan. Bought the device new from a seller out of California. Looks and acts like the HD7 but the model number is not.
Phone arrived in retail box and has ability to have data plan but instructions stated to turn off this option in phone before letting it register with att. I did this and then transferred my SIM card to it. I can use any WIFI service, texting, tele-calls all fine without having the additional cost of a data plan. I figure if choose not to use data then they shouldn't make me pay for it.
If I reactivate the data transmissions in the cell phone options then att will be able to determine it is a smartphone and will charge me for a data plan. I won't make that mistake though. I've heard of others doing this.
Don't try turning on data and using then turning off either. att rep when I called about something else asked me what kind of phone I was using. The read a number but it wasn't one of theirs so they didn't know what it was capable of. Of course I'm not an idiot to tell him what it could do. The other technique they use is auditing the data sent and received.
When you allow your phone to transmit data a lot of stuff is sent without you even knowing. These phones automatically check for updates for email, apps, or any other thing you might not know you have installed. These are red flags to att's sniffing software.
WIFI is great, many places offer free access too. I don't want the extra fees of a data plan so I'll stick with the benefits of a smartphone and just use WIFI for apps.
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I'm on att using a Smartphone without a data plan. Bought the device new from a seller out of California. Looks and acts like the HD7 but the model number is not.
Phone arrived in retail box and has ability to have data plan but instructions stated to turn off this option in phone before letting it register with att. I did this and then transferred my SIM card to it. I can use any WIFI service, texting, tele-calls all fine without having the additional cost of a data plan. I figure if choose not to use data then they shouldn't make me pay for it.
If I reactivate the data transmissions in the cell phone options then att will be able to determine it is a smartphone and will charge me for a data plan. I won't make that mistake though. I've heard of others doing this.
Don't try turning on data and using then turning off either. att rep when I called about something else asked me what kind of phone I was using. The read a number but it wasn't one of theirs so they didn't know what it was capable of. Of course I'm not an idiot to tell him what it could do. The other technique they use is auditing the data sent and received.
When you allow your phone to transmit data a lot of stuff is sent without you even knowing. These phones automatically check for updates for email, apps, or any other thing you might not know you have installed. These are red flags to att's sniffing software.
WIFI is great, many places offer free access too. I don't want the extra fees of a data plan so I'll stick with the benefits of a smartphone and just use WIFI for apps.
Well I don't really understand what you are doing, as AT&T will figure out you are using a smartphone, regardless if data is sent or received. Plus if you are doing something illegal to bypass their system, then that isn't too great either.
The cool part of wifi is you can use it without a full dataplan.... just tapping into your own network at home or using hotspots around town.
What i "dont" like about the convenience, is that when i am paying an at&T data plan rate but , even when in a strong area, not having had the nations fastest network experience on att juices alone.. ive always had to use wi-fi .
"but" lately, my att services had been upgraded and even without wi-fi my connection is great. I know thats not what this discussion is about.. but all in all. wi-fi is a good thing!
I have bought an unlocked smartphone before and they did not know that I had it..so they didn't charge me with a data plan, however if it isn't unlocked they can find out what phone you are using..I know that T-mobile and and AT&T use the same bands, so I advise getting a brand from them.
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I have bought an unlocked smartphone before and they did not know that I had it..so they didn't charge me with a data plan, however if it isn't unlocked they can find out what phone you are using..I know that T-mobile and and AT&T use the same bands, so I advise getting a brand from them.
No, actually they don't for data. T-Mobile uses 1700MHz for 3G data and AT&T uses 1900MHz. If you try to use one carriers phone on the other's network, you'll only be able to get 2G/EDGE speeds.
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Weirdest thing: I've got a nexus one, and my t-mobile plan ran out, and I went ahead and got an at&t unlimited plan, $50 a month, with the 5$ a month 10mb data plan, just figuring they'd catch the smartphone thing anyway, and if not, I set it up to put $5 a month in automatically, since it rolls over that way...several months ago, and they still haven't charged me for data...
I've used it as a wifi port and browse the web, and all kinds of stuff...so all I've paid is the att gophone $50 a month unlimited, and $5 for data which I don't get charged for...so far...I figured they'd start charging me, and I'd probably have to get more than 10mb a month...but so far, it's a lot cheaper than the mandatory $90 a month unlimited t-mobile plan I had, and the 10mb a month just keeps rolling over....
I kind of want to get a galaxy nexus, but this is too good a deal, so I'll see how long it lasts...signed up here just to let you'all know, maybe if you've got a t-mobile phone that is now unhooked to t-mobile, u might slide by...
I've been reading some of the previous posts, and I think maybe I'm only getting 2g or Edge, but I don't know how to tell: seems to be working fine, and even IHeart streaming is ok--not superspeedy, but fast enough--I wonder if I'm only getting edge...
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I just keep the data transmission part turned off in the phone and I also have a data block on my account with att. Have been using with WIFI with no problems for about half a year now.
The other day when I was changing a service (texting) att was curious what my IME number was inside the phone since they said they couldn't read it correctly. I wasn't born yesterday so I acted like I was an old schooler and didn't know how to do much with my phone but make calls and send text messages since my someone showed me how to do it.
My theory is, if I don't use att's data then I shouldn't have to pay for it just because I own a phone that is capable. Kinda like being forced to pay for a first class ticket on a plane because my butt would fit in the seat even though I'm flying coach.
Why should I pay for a service I don't use?
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That is interesting. I have two smart phones w/o data plans. Every time I log onto AT&T to pay my bill; it knows that one is a BlackBerry and the other a Captivate. I have been curious to see how this "family data plan" thing works out; I may just reactivate data to those phones.
electronic buff- are you saying that if I have an unlocked android phone (Samsung Captivate), then AT&T wont know that I have a smartphone, and therefore won't charge me for a data plan (even though I don't want one)?
Wow... What a mess.
This is the way it works. "they " check imei numbers on lines in random sweeps. If your are found using an imei of a "known " smartphone without data plan one will be added. If you are using a brand x smartphone model w.e that at& t does not have in their database as a smartphone the plan will not be added. If you use one of these "unknown " devices at&t will not guarantee your service to work.
That's it. No crime. No conspiracy. It's actually a pretty imperfect system I hear.
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Thats EXACTLY how it works. The network will pick up the phone type you are using and it will register the imei. And like the post above, att will auto stick you into a plan and bill you accordingly "if" the imei is one of theirs.
So now I'm on the same boat. I'll just summarize what I've read so far though then ask my question.
At&t branded phone = data plan, in just about all cases
Unlocked phones(not Att branded) = data plan, but mixed results?
So lets say I got an unlocked phone with the correct 2G bands, but with non working 3G bands, would it still be tracked down by Att's system? Or maybe a better question would be is if anyone knows what IMEI's are on Att's system.
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So now I'm on the same boat. I'll just summarize what I've read so far though then ask my question.
At&t branded phone = data plan, in just about all cases
Unlocked phones(not Att branded) = data plan, but mixed results?
So lets say I got an unlocked phone with the correct 2G bands, but with non working 3G bands, would it still be tracked down by Att's system? Or maybe a better question would be is if anyone knows what IMEI's are on Att's system.
It's not a matter of knowing the IMEI's, but knowing which handsets AT&T can identify as smartphones. Even so, using a smartphone on AT&T's network without the appropriate data plan is a violation of their TOS so if they catch you, they got you. You either pay or they cut you off.
My son wants a phone that allows wifi access, but no dataplan on AT&T. I've heard that we can buy a phone from someone else, insert his sim card, and then he can use it without a dataplan. Is that possible? What if the phone was originally sold by AT&T, will that still work? Can all the Android configuration be done over Wifi instead of a dataplan?
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AN ANDROID SMARTPHONE WITHOUT A DATA PLAN IS POSSIBLE! In fact im doing it right now! I am on At&t using a Samsung Galaxy ACE. Awesome phone, and att does not recognize its IMEI so its all good! I have been data free for almost 2 months (recently bought the phone from amazon). Weather it will work with any carrier that uses GSM im not sure, although it does work flawlessly on ATT. So it is a perfect option for anyone looking for an awesome android smartphone with full features (wifi, bluetooth, gps, full android market, full hacking capability's) with no data plan. Also, if in the future when you want a data plan, all you need to do is enable att's non smartphone $10 data plan on your line and now you have unlimited data for only $10 a month, i have not tried this yet but plan too. I am also pretty sure any GSM phone with a model number not starting with an "i" for example the Samsung galaxy s2 which is "i9100" will be required to have a data plan by att because they recognize its IMEI number, where as the Galaxy Ace starts with an "s" (s5830) it works. Hope this helps, and remember anything is possible with A LOT of Google searching!
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AN ANDROID SMARTPHONE WITHOUT A DATA PLAN IS POSSIBLE! In fact im doing it right now! I am on At&t using a Samsung Galaxy ACE. Awesome phone, and att does not recognize its IMEI so its all good! I have been data free for almost 2 months (recently bought the phone from amazon).
I will reiterate, using ANY smartphone on AT&T's network without an appropriate data plan is a violation of their terms of service. You do so at your own risk.
I will reiterate, using ANY smartphone on AT&T's network without an appropriate data plan is a violation of their terms of service. You do so at your own risk.
In the context of the thread, this statement was necessary and I can see why you keep saying it, but as an overarching statement for all smartphones used on AT&T's network, it's not entirely true. For contracts, yes, it is a violation to use a smartphone without data on AT&T's network.
Data plans are not required for prepaid smartphones - they are only required if you want to use cellular data. It's entirely possible - and within AT&T's terms of service - to purchase a smartphone, purchase a prepaid plan with no data, and just use Wifi.
With the way att is cutting things lately, even planning to cut or charge some wifi hotspots, im seeing an end to this option some day. Sadly att is.no longer a compny that strives to provide its customers "more for less" as it were.noe everything will cost you.
You can actually have AT&T block mobile data to a phone. I have 2 smartphones on my my plan that do not have a corresponding data plan associated w/ them. The downside is that you will not be able to receive MMS on those phones.
is this still working for you because I was doing that and noticed I was being charged a data plan. They said you cannot block unless I do it every month and there is a 5.00 charge now
With the way att is cutting things lately, even planning to cut or charge some wifi hotspots, im seeing an end to this option some day. Sadly att is.no longer a compny that strives to provide its customers "more for less" as it were.noe everything will cost you.
I am trying to locate my comment where I said at&t can detect the device you are using if you have the phone registered or not on at&t. I would like to recant that comment. I had to call at&t about a device I have but it doesnt have a bill to my account option in GooglePlay. Found out that at&t have to manually enter your imei
before their system can track your phone thru their system....(sorry if this is posted in the wrong folder)
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