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Old December 10th, 2012, 09:37 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I just saw a news report this morning that VERIZON is planning to install the technology in their DVRs that R E C O R D everything said in your homes....".for advertisement purposes".

According to the report, VERIZON will impose this "new feature" on their customers whether they like it or not. They "claim" the data they collect from your voice conversations, accent, discussions, watching on tv sounds , etc.....(better watch them "nooners").... and sell this info to agencies that will then, force ads upon you according to your "tastes".

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Thats what those who got a little "somethn'-someth'n" on the side should be thinking about. Yup, if this thing passes, and "if" you have an option to opt-out, you dont know if "others" have declined and have one of these listening devices in their home. So, better watch out for them "Booty Calls". Thats one number that might come back and bite you in yours.

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They can put it in all day long, but they can't just turn it on arbitrarily. And they can't make it a condition of their service either. It would violate privacy and wiretapping statutes, to name a few.
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I don't have nothing to hide (talking in a very low voice) so i wouldn't mind having this.
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Maybe we need to put down the tin foil hats on this one, at least for the time being.

Verizon Patent Covers DVR That Knows What You're Saying, Doing | News & Opinion | PCMag.com

There's a big difference between applying for a patent and forcing this technology into your home. Frankly, I don't see any possible way that this could be put into anyone home involuntarily without it blowing up in the face of the company doing it. It would be a marketing disaster for Verizon, if not corporate suicide.
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Couldn't of said it better myself, pretty sure they wouldn't try and do this, i mean let alone pretty sure it violates some issues with privacy and wiretapping like Luna said too.
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True, they couldnt or shouldnt but my tin hat says they collect my info for free then turn around and sell my info so to have more ads pushed my way. The only only ones who benefit monetarily from our privacy willnbe VERIZON and ad agencies. Their pockets phat enough from our nickled and dimed services. Why not pay for them to "listen in".

I am not ok with any of it. We need an "app" for that and block it

But, will see how it goes. Verizon have listened (not in the abovr content) to their customers amd declined some changes theyve triex to amend into customef contracts. AT&T could care less what a customer thinks and would do it if theyve covered their butts from lawsuits.
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All telecom companies must track usage for billing and technological reasons. It's what they do with that information that should be more transparent to the consumer. But, we are being tracked constantly. Our purchases at the grocery store, gas pumps, pharmacy, et al all provide an overall picture of our spending habits for the marketers to use to target us.

I don't have a problem with them knowing that 5.32% of the consumers in a 20 mile radius spend approximately $4.00 when they stop for gas, but I do have a problem with firms other than the merchant knowing *I* bought Allegra 6 times last year.
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Yes, thats a known fact as far as purchases, when we use credit card buying habits, web-browsing etc. We are practically conditioned to expect that sort of thing. But how would you feel if I sold you my say, DVR, and I placed a recorder in it so I can listen to everything going on in your house, which recordings were not initiated by some product purchase transaction or otherwise?
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Yes, thats a known fact as far as purchases, when we use credit card buying habits, web-browsing etc. We are practically conditioned to expect that sort of thing. But how would you feel if I sold you my say, DVR, and I placed a recorder in it so I can listen to everything going on in your house, which recordings were not initiated by some product purchase transaction or otherwise?
If you sold it to me and didn't tell me about it, and I discovered it, I'd call the cops.

If you sold it to me with the condition that it was always on, I'd call my lawyer.

If you said i could buy the DVR with that "feature" off for $100 or with it on for $50, but either way it wouldn't effect it's operation, I'd be okay with that since I had a choice to make that deal.
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If you sold it to me and didn't tell me about it, and I discovered it, I'd call the cops.

If you sold it to me with the condition that it was always on, I'd call my lawyer.

If you said i could buy the DVR with that "feature" off for $100 or with it on for $50, but either way it wouldn't effect it's operation, I'd be okay with that since I had a choice to make that deal.
And the point being I would not want such "convenience" in my home with readily-available" technology already built in, even if I decided to "opt out" . Especially with some remegade loyal employee who decides to flip switches anyway, for some hacker to gain access or hear a year or so that verizon has been "fined" for "unknowingly" logging private inhome conversations.
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TV's can be made to peer into our home via photoresistors, any mobile can transmit audio even when powered off. Webcams can easily be hacked and used to monitor us as can the mic on our computers. Every phone call and internet data packet is intercepted, recorded and used to profile us. There are new devices which allow law enforcement to peer directly into homes without our knowledge. HARRP can intercept all non-encrypted radio based communications from the Ionosphere at any point on the globe. And for the super paranoid listening devices similar to Orca ears (SOSUS) have been placed all over our oceans. So anyone who thinks a DVR might be worthy of a tin hat let me suggest a tin roof instead.

And all of the above is declassified so just think about all the classified stuff being developed to monitor us in the future.
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TV's can be made to peer into our home via photoresistors, any mobile can transmit audio even when powered off. Webcams can easily be hacked and used to monitor us as can the mic on our computers. Every phone call and internet data packet is intercepted, recorded and used to profile us. There are new devices which allow law enforcement to peer directly into homes without our knowledge. HARRP can intercept all non-encrypted radio based communications from the Ionosphere at any point on the globe. And for the super paranoid listening devices similar to Orca ears (SOSUS) have been placed all over our oceans. So anyone who thinks a DVR might be worthy of a tin hat let me suggest a tin roof instead.

And all of the above is declassified so just think about all the classified stuff being developed to monitor us in the future.
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Awwwe Luney now, I see how you gotcho name! LOL but its all true! Theres really no such thing as absolute privacy. "BUT" I do think that a reputable company such as Verizon should not throw its tin hat into the ring and announce its about to record every sneeze, bump-n-grind I make in MY house "in the name of privacy" ..... just aint cool!
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I don't have nothing to hide (talking in a very low voice) so i wouldn't mind having this.
RushMush! I didn't realize this was you till now! Tell you what, I aint gonna sell that DVR to you... im sending it your way now! postage paid! Cant wait to see what "Rush's up to on those Android Forum Video Vault offline-moments" ...hehheh
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"BUT" I do think that a reputable company such as Verizon should not throw its tin hat into the ring and announce its about to record every sneeze, bump-n-grind I make in MY house "in the name of privacy" ..... just aint cool!
Wait till you see what your fridge is going to do in the next few years. You wont even need a grocery list because your appliances will monitor what you put in and take out using RFID. They will probably even warn you what not to eat or notify your doctor and health insurance company all about your dietary habbits. Just think when your wife, husband or whoever is able to put a calorie lock on the fridge, oven and microwave. Most of us will probably either be single and using Antique appliances or starving in the future.

We must embrace big brother for the sake of humanity.
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Wait till you see what your fridge is going to do in the next few years. You wont even need a grocery list because your appliances will monitor what you put in and take out using RFID. They will probably even warn you what not to eat or notify your doctor and health insurance company all about your dietary habbits. Just think when your wife, husband or whoever is able to put a calorie lock on the fridge, oven and microwave. Most of us will probably either be single and using Antique appliances or starving in the future.

We must embrace big brother for the sake of humanity.
Good points you have.
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Default Another Reason Personal Consumer Tracking Not So Good:

Just watched a news report that revealed how the data gathered bybreacking what we look up, watch (or talk about in our homes) , basically the consumer choices results from our (data) generates customed product ads thats ppushed at us "but with higher pricesl.

Kinda makes you stay alert to these "Dynamic Pricing" , recognizing when the price we see is such and , if we really want the product, to look further elsewhere for it.
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Shop at Costco where the prices are static and the low prices are not tied to low wages.
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Default This Was Posted In December 2012 - And Now Some Reality

Looks like most of the country doesnt share the same view some posted here regarding Verizon's "proposed" snooping imposition by adding more tracking features. All along, Verizon has been providing your cellpbone records to NAS without your conscent.

If as much negative reactions are generating over this segment , Verizons probably already implemented some of their other money-making snooping methods, cashing in on your routine, public - and - private.

Better cut back on them "bootycalls" before the spouses come across some "special ads/ products or services" customed to your "habits" which will be a fast ticket to the doghouse.
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This is my take....
Americans in general don't care.
As long as they can get cheap gas, cheap food, and tell the rest of the world what to eat, drink, worship or like... they do not care.

And if there was a sudden break out of common sense which I know won't happen...
Suppose AT&T did what Verizon does?
Where are you going to go?
Sprint? T-Mobile?
What makes you think they won't follow suit?

What really needs to happen won't happen.
There are too many old farts in office that are quite cozy there and have been BOUGHT by corporations. They need to be removed first.

So... until that happens I won't hold my breath... because it won't.
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And you know because? And where do any of us go (since youre singling out the U.S.). I go to the carrier taking advantage of bringing onboard defecting customers from a "compromized" carrier. Then when that savior goes sour, anothe/ carrier catches that companys disgrunted by offering what the prior carrier bailed out on. Its that simple.

But when it becomes the norm that cellular and data services is a govtopensource...then where are Y O U going?
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Default MOBILE WARS ARE ON.....AGAIN ("this message has been pre -approved by @octomice")

Looks like AT&T, Tmo, Verizon is approaching another WAR between carriers! Their latest is early upgrades, goes to show their prior 'restrictive' contract-locking methods are simply money-makers. The same thing with that endangered species called the "ulimitus datamus" where one carrier decided to drop unlimited data because of "running out of data" and converted to charging MORE for LESS. So the other carrier follow suit. While yet another carrier says "theres no such things as running out of "unlimited data".

All carriers try to outdo the other and if they cant offer you a good deal to take you away from the other carrier, the one will follow the other carrier if the other is charging you more for less. They want your MONEY then your business.

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They're doing it. AT&T joins no-contract game, offering no-contract phones and tablets on monthly installments with annual upgrades | Mobile & Apps

Do the math, folks. May be fine for some, disastrous for others.

Personally, I find I almost NEVER need the latest and greatest tech so it doesn't really help me at the moment. By the time I actually get an S4, it will probably cost me ten bucks. :-)

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Do the math, folks. May be fine for some, disastrous for others.

Personally, I find I almost NEVER need the latest and greatest tech so it doesn't really help me at the moment. By the time I actually get an S4, it will probably cost me ten bucks. :-)

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