18 Kids and 9 Others Shot Dead in CT.


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  1. Bob Maxey

    Bob Maxey Well-Known Member

    My God . . .

    I was enjoying my morning coffee and looking up information about the ARRL in Ct., and I discover breaking news. 27 apparently dead including 18 kids in CT. All apparently five year old kids for God's sake.

    Another crazy ass shooter using 2 guns, kills all of these people that did not deserve to die.

    18 kids.

    When the hell does this crap stop? How do we stop it? Or do we simply accept these things happen from time to time and move on to the next disaster. What bothers me is I no longer think much about these shootings. They happen all too frequently and I guess I am numb to these kinds of disasters.

    Sorry for the bad news, but I am horrified. Especially this time of year when it should be all about tinsel and Santa and family and turkey and joy and remembering times past and thinking about the joys the future holds.

    Now, parents will tie the season to the loss of their child that had no chance to have a life.

    Bob is pissed off and not knowing what he can do upsets me tremendously.

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  2. pbf98

    pbf98 Well-Known Member

    It is a horrible act, and it is deeply saddening.

    I don't think we will really be able to put an end to this senseless violence anytime soon.

    People may turn to gun laws to see to it that it will "never" happen again, but criminals don't abide by the laws.

    I just cannot imagine what these families are going through. Losing a loved one is always hard, but it is worse when its close to a holiday, my thoughts are with them all.
  3. jerofld

    jerofld Fixing stuff is not easy VIP Member

    It is something horrific. Those 5 year old children could not have possibly deserved the fate that they received. The adults, I'm sure, were just educators who were doing their jobs.

    But details are sketchy. There may be nothing that can be planned, analyzed, or debated over just yet. Right now the focus should be on helping the families cope with the losses and try to rebuild. Making rash knee-jerk reactions will serve no one.
  4. admn81

    admn81 Well-Known Member

    Everyone who has kids needs to give them a hug and tell then you love them a lot today. As parents there are often times when we get frustrated with them for whatever reason I know for myself I was last night when my daughter woke up at midnight crying for an hour but there a lot of parents in Connecticut who wish that had this chance again. Thoughts and prayers for those out there dealing with this unimaginable hurt.
  5. Kamau

    Kamau Well-Known Member

    You know, I am slowly but surely, losing my hope in humanity. I mean, where are children nowadays to feel safe at? Horrible things are happening to them in the streets, in school, at church, stores...........and home. This saddens me deeply.
  6. A.Nonymous

    A.Nonymous Well-Known Member

    It's really, really horrible. A co-worker did point out to me a simple fact. How many kindergartners are there in America today? And we have 18 die in a tragedy. Statistically speaking it's insignificant. Those really are the cold hard facts. As tragic as it is, it's statistically insignificant.

    I don't know what the solution is. It's certainly not more laws. It's already illegal to bring a gun on to school property. That law didn't stop this at all. I don't know what other laws would've prevented this.

    I really think the problem is the culture we live in. We live in an extremely violent culture that glorifies violence. It shouldn't be too surprising that people would lash out with violence since the culture we live in legitimizes that as a valid response.
  7. admn81

    admn81 Well-Known Member

    Wow... Really? I get what your saying but the statistics aspect of it from a factual standpoint but this isn't an issue if statistics in fact it couldn't be less about that and more about the parents who will never see their kids again. I don't think you meant to come off as being cold about this but damn.
  8. lunatic59

    lunatic59 Moderati ergo sum Moderator

    It's human nature to try and put reason to an insane act. Find some sort of explanation for the inexplicable. Take a lesson from the Amish. Everyone is a victim in these types of tragedies, including us.
  9. Kamau

    Kamau Well-Known Member

    And that's the thing. This country goes through something like this, and the first thing you hear afterwards is creating more laws. Make this & that illegal. More laws are not the answer because until you change attitudes, more laws mean little.
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  10. pbf98

    pbf98 Well-Known Member

    If you're wanting to look at numbers, isn't this the highest number of deaths in a school shooting? Even higher than Columbine?
    I believe that any loss of a life in these situations is significant especially at that age you don't know how much an impact just one of those children could have had on the world. None of them have a chance to be anything anymore.
    The fact that any number of children had to die today from this is just a tragedy.
  11. Speed Daemon

    Speed Daemon Disabled

    What can one say about yet another tragic story?

    I hope that the survivors are surrounded by a strong support system: faith, family and friends. For the dead I trust in a loving God and believe that even the "bad guy" will be loved and redeemed by means beyond my understanding.
  12. Bob Maxey

    Bob Maxey Well-Known Member

    I disagree. I think statistics are important. When you consider how many kids (apparently, and if you believe the statistics) die from other things in greater numbers.

    We do not need more gun laws to prevent this kind of thing. Perhaps we need teachers carrying guns or perhaps a permanent police state in all public schools? I would hate to see it, but some will say we do.

    Perhaps a tall wall with sentries? What about cops in every class room?

    I do not know.

    The press will likely call for more gun laws and that is not the answer, either. Their goal is viewership and more papers sold. I do not think the press cares much about the truth; they will use this tragedy to further their needs.

    That said, the press has always needed news and they have always covered stories like this. I do remmber when it was rare to have kids gunned down wholesale. If at all.

    I do not like the stats brought up in these discussions, either. It does sound cold, but facts are often cold. I think more kids die from not wearing seatbelts or the improper use or the lack of child safety seats.

    I did not look, just a guess.
  13. chris4x4

    chris4x4 Well-Known Member

    This is awful. I hope there is a special place in hell for this asshole.
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  14. Bob Maxey

    Bob Maxey Well-Known Member

    I agree with the Amish.

    Straingers will be considered differently. Talk of tossing our rights will take place. Gun owners will be viewed differently and some of us will wonder if today is when our kids die. We will panic if the school calls and leaves a message and the bastard that did it is gone so we will not get justice.

    And on and on.

    This does change us all and it affects us all.

    All of us gathered here will think about this event and it will dampen our day.
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  15. admn81

    admn81 Well-Known Member

    My point is that a loss of a life especially that of innocent children shouldn't be quantified or made to sound like just a number because the bottom line is that it's not.
  16. OverByter

    OverByter Resident Slide Rule Guru

    Say a prayer.
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  17. pbf98

    pbf98 Well-Known Member

    I actually had the same thought. There was an interview with a FBI Investigator and he was asked why are schools such big targets for these events. He said its because they know nothing is there to prevent them from doing it. They know that everyone is not allowed to have a firearm on the school grounds, therefore they are an easy target.

    I think we should try and keep this thread more on topic of the shooting itself and less about the laws, might become a controversial topic after a while and get moved.

    I just don't see how anyone can do this. I could never bring myself to pull the trigger on an innocent human being let alone a child.
  18. quest7

    quest7 Well-Known Member

    This is horrible, God bless all those that are touch by this stupidity.
  19. JnEricsonx

    JnEricsonx Well-Known Member

    I had to explain to my mom that those who support the NRA spend millions and millions to keep their guns, and thats why laws won't change. But maybe, since he can't go for a 3rd term, Obama can just say SCREW IT and go nuts for gun control, because as I said, you need the horror equivalent of a nuclear bomb, or, God forbid, a whole bunch of children shot in gun-loving territory, for anything to happen, because some people believe that the 2nd Amendment is all that matters, and that was written when it took you 30 seconds to 1 minute to reload one shot, go figure.
  20. A.Nonymous

    A.Nonymous Well-Known Member

    As was mentioned before, it was already illegal for anyone to bring a gun onto a school property. That's pretty much illegal across the board in every state. That law did not prevent this tragedy. I am at a loss as to what laws would. It is also against the law to shoot someone with a gun and it's against the law to kill someone period. Those laws did not prevent this tragedy either.
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  21. pbf98

    pbf98 Well-Known Member

    Well now that its in the political / current affairs I am not afraid of voicing my views.

    Saying that making guns illegal is going to stop criminals from getting them is just plain stupidity.

    Did you know that Meth is illegal in the US? That doesn't stop people from using it
    Did you know that Cocaine is illegal in the US? People don't care, it's still bought and sold on the streets.

    Do you see what I am getting at? Just because there are laws saying "No you can't have it" does not mean every one will follow. Really all you would be doing by banning guns is taking the protection away from those who express their 2nd amendment legally.
    I am a proud supporter of my 2nd amendment, I took a long class that enables me to carry a hand gun in public. It wasn't an easy class, it was 12 hours total, and I had to take a written test as well as proving I can shoot. And thats not even all, that cost me $100 to take the class, thats to get certified, the 2nd step was to go to my local sherrif's department and pay another $100 to Apply for the permit. At this point you can still be denied. 10 days later after I passed my background check I received my permit.

    I really believe that if we were to make these classes available to staff members of the schools and allow those that pass and are issued a permit to carry in the school abiding by all the laws that are with permit to carry. Then people will have to think twice about going in and shooting in a school because they won't be as vulnerable.
  22. lEquin0xl

    lEquin0xl Well-Known Member

    Virginia Tech is still first at 32 deaths.
  23. lEquin0xl

    lEquin0xl Well-Known Member

    That wouldn't make a difference at all, if teachers had guns, criminals would just shoot the teacher/guards first, more security would be useless as well. Criminals don't randomly go to a school and shoot, they actually plan things out, they have smarts but use them in a terrible way. Everything the US has tried to do to stop criminals has been countered in one way or another and will continue to be countered.
  24. damewolf13

    damewolf13 live~laugh~love VIP Member

    For me, there are no words.....just sadness.... and questions with unsatisfactory answers.
  25. NYCHitman1

    NYCHitman1 Gun for Hire Guide

    As a parent, I feel terrible for all of the parents who lost a child today. I sincerely hope that man fries in a chair or suffers terribly for his crimes.
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