18 Kids and 9 Others Shot Dead in CT.

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  1. zuben el genub

    zuben el genub Well-Known Member

    Salt Shaker:

    Mother has been tied to survivalists - guns were legal.

    Adam Lanza's mother was a 'survivalist' who stockpiled food, guns

    Newtown Shooting: The Gunman Who Knew No Pain - Yahoo! News

    About violence and guns -

    I wouldn't advocate removing either from responsible society. But what the hell do you do with parents who can't, don't, or won't supervise their kids?

    Responsible adults can play those violent role playing games and know the difference.
    I am not too sure about younger that 13, especially those that use the games for total escapism.

    I don't mind guns for hunting.

    But if no one wants censorship from the government, then you will have to figure out how to deal with the idiots that are too irresponsible to have guns or games.

    Like parents who leave loaded guns where young kids can get them.

  2. Gmash

    Gmash Well-Known Member

    I've seen conflicting stories about whether the mother was one of those doomsday preppers or not, but apparently she took him to the range and taught him to shoot. I've also seen reports that he had Aspergers, a form of autism that makes people extremely uncomfortable in social situations, to the point his mother pulled him out of school and home schooled him. Leaving an unsecured assault rifle where he could get to it obviously was a terrible mistake. It seems like all of these shooters have the same profile. Very intelligent, but alienated from society.
  3. zuben el genub

    zuben el genub Well-Known Member

    Also profiled as young men - 18-24. The group most likely to be involved with role-playing.

    Why are they angry? Do they know?
    Are they escaping from what they see as a boring future (steady job, home, etc)
    Are they also escaping from poverty or the fact that they can't afford the newest game equipment they crave?

    Years ago, these are the ones who would head west into unknown territory. Can't do that today.

    A lot of us grew up on Science Fiction - would have been delighted to have some of the adventures written in stories. But we did manage to restrain ourselves and maybe kept the dream, but lived in the real world.
  4. Gmash

    Gmash Well-Known Member

    This guy definitely wasn't living in poverty. Did you see his Mom's house? Columbine was an affluent high school. Not sure about the Aurora shooter. I think being smart makes people think they deserve a good life, and when they don't, they get bitter. Add some mental illness and guns and bad things happen.
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  5. A.Nonymous

    A.Nonymous Well-Known Member

    Did you really just argue that its better to be dumb?
  6. ElasticNinja

    ElasticNinja Well-Known Member

    Ignorance is bliss some say. That said, mental problems are very prevalent in those of average intelligence and below too.
  7. zuben el genub

    zuben el genub Well-Known Member


    Article also mentions stop using mental illness as an excuse. It's hatred so deep that it possesses the person. I can sort of understand that type of hatred, but I prefer shun to gun.
  8. Gmash

    Gmash Well-Known Member

    Not better, but dumb people might not realize how bad their life sucks lol.
  9. jefboyardee

    jefboyardee Well-Known Member

    FOX: The gunman who slaughtered 20 children and six adults at a Connecticut elementary school may have snapped because his mother was planning to commit him to a psychiatric facility
  10. pbf98

    pbf98 Well-Known Member Contributor

    Key word being May

    I wish newscasts would get it straight before publishing it and posting their speculations..
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  11. Gmash

    Gmash Well-Known Member

    We'll know more if /when they get some info from the computer, but I wouldn't say it takes "a lot of planning" to smash a computer and grab the guns from the closet or wherever. They said "stockpiling ammo", but I bet that's just what they had in their home. I doubt he went out to buy more, they said he almost never left the house. If he did go out buying ammo, they will find out, but there's too much speculation in that article.
  12. zuben el genub

    zuben el genub Well-Known Member

    I forgot to add - get the salt. I was more interested in the profiling than the report.
  13. pbf98

    pbf98 Well-Known Member Contributor

    The only thing I think mental illness should be used for as an excuse is for reasons to bring back mental illness institutions back to what they once were.

    Rather than focusing on gun bans, why not focus on the mental health of America? From what I have seen a majority of these shootings can be linked to some mentally wrong with the person that was noticeable.
  14. ElasticNinja

    ElasticNinja Well-Known Member

    Perhaps its that people do not have the access to support that they need. Just because this guy did this, it does not mean he necessarily was particularly disturbed up until the weeks before this. And I would imagine if he had received a bit more care - healthwise and family wise, it is likely that he would have become a functioning member of society.

    Everyone should be able to go to their doctor, talk about whats wrong - mentally, physically, both even, and get referred on to someone that can help. They should have access to a doctor for free, or at least a a low double figure some, and likewise to said specialist.
    And everyone should be able to do so.
  15. A.Nonymous

    A.Nonymous Well-Known Member

    Yay!! Free healthcare for everyone and no body has to pay for it!! Yay!! 'Cuz that was the root of the problem here.
  16. Bob Maxey

    Bob Maxey Well-Known Member

    OK, so spread the word: "Talk to your kids before they do something nuts." Be nice to people. I agree. Talk to your kids. Most parents do talk to their kids. Most kids are sane. Most parents are decent. Most people make it through life on their own without free government cheese or taking a life.

    So here is what you do: hire off duty police and ex-military. Give them riot gear and big frigging weapons. If a kid pulls out a gun, they drop the little bugger with one shot to the head. OK, perhaps we will just arrest them.

    Check points at every entrance and do not forget the razor wire.

    We have mandatory mental health care exams. We punish the parents if their kid is not cared for. Jail time, actually.

    Is that what we want?
  17. Bob Maxey

    Bob Maxey Well-Known Member

    The problems started when the free government cheese was taken away.
  18. zuben el genub

    zuben el genub Well-Known Member

  19. copestag

    copestag Well-Known Member

    its pretty hard to blame the media for covering the story....... you are asking them to do it
  20. ElasticNinja

    ElasticNinja Well-Known Member

    I never advocated free healthcare... anyway at the very least, preventive, primary care would save money, its basic stuff.
  21. bigdrew

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  22. zuben el genub

    zuben el genub Well-Known Member

    Beyond reasonable coverage, I am not. They don't have to stick a camera and microphone in everyone's face to get a story for all those prurient readers. Almost everyone has had some sorrowful disaster in their life to understand how badly these people feel without dwelling in details.

    prurient -marked by or arousing an immoderate or unwholesome interest or desire -
    I left out sexual.
  23. jefboyardee

    jefboyardee Well-Known Member

    Newtown the Latest Example of Media Overkill

    What upsets me at the moment is the feeding frenzy being engaged in by the media. At this point, I feel they are doing more harm than good. The healing will begin, but not until the news trucks and reporters shoving microphones in our faces go away.
  24. copestag

    copestag Well-Known Member

    again........ its amazing nobody gets this concept........ the media is catering to the public..... every time you post another link in here talking about how bad the media is guess what?.... that link was created by the media ..... the media you are supporting by reading their material...... you are the one asking the media to do the very thing you are condemning

    either stop reading the garbage or stop complaining that the garbage is written
  25. zuben el genub

    zuben el genub Well-Known Member

    Some of us are not reading it - it's forced on the TV news unless you hit the mute button.

    You can't check some web pages without a headline screaming about some movies star's latest peccadillo. Checkouts at the supermarket have those rags like the Enquirer right in your face.

    The shootings are over, we feel the pain. I am more interested now in the debate about what to do about the violence which involves more sticking a microphone in a public figure's face. That's part of the price of elected office, CEO, public spokesperson or whatever. You knew about having to deal with the public's questions before you ran or accepted the position.

    I'd prefer to let Newtown grieve and heal on its own.
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