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a deviation from guns.... poverty!


  1. sntaylor

    sntaylor Well-Known Member Contributor


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  2. huh

    huh Well-Known Member

    Yikes!!! That kind of talk scares me! Don't get me wrong..I am all for moving towards a more humanitarian civilization...but select taxation is just a big ball of mess and frankly disturbing to me.

    Why don't we just force everyone to go vegetarian? If we did it would end world hunger.
    (true)btw...

    Sadly, I don't think there is an easy fix to end world poverty . At least not for now. Maybe..hopefully one day we will evolve
    into a higher level of human being with a civilization that works together for a common good.
    but we are so far from that...and until we tackle war violence rape oppression racism etc..etc..I can't see us moving forward
  3. ElasticNinja

    ElasticNinja Well-Known Member

    I don't know, income transfers are common across the world, the are necessary in developed capitalist economies.

    World hunger is more of an issue of regional underproductivity, and below subsistence farming. We are producing enough food for at least another 3 billion people. Reducing meat consumption will become more necessary though as socioenvironmental issues continue to fail to be adressed.
  4. huh

    huh Well-Known Member

    hmmmm. I beg to differ
    BECAUSE IT'S THE ONLY WAY TO END WORLD HUNGER

    There is more than enough food in the world to feed the entire human population. So why are more than a billion people still going hungry? Our meat-based diet is largely to blame. We funnel huge amounts of grain, soybeans, and corn through all the animals we use for food instead of feeding starving humans. If we stopped intensively breeding farmed animals and grew crops to feed humans instead, we could easily feed everyone on the planet with healthy and affordable vegetarian foods.



    Raising animals for food is extremely inefficient. For every pound of food that farmed animals are fed, only a fraction of the calories are returned in the form of edible flesh. The rest of those calories are burned away raising the animal to slaughter weight or contributing to feathers, bone, skin, blood, and other parts of the animal that are not eaten by humans. This is why animals raised for food have to eat as many as 13 pounds of grain to create just 1 pound of edible flesh. The prestigious Worldwatch Institute states, "[M]eat consumption is an inefficient use of grain
  5. huh

    huh Well-Known Member


    I have a real hard time with the phrase "income transfer" too..
    that is just a rainbow unicorn way of saying ....forcing
  6. A.Nonymous

    A.Nonymous Well-Known Member

    Not even going to touch the vegetarian thing.

    The poverty question is not an easy one to answer. A great man once said, "the poor you have always with you." That was 2,000 years ago. Nothing has changed in that regard since and it has been that way since the dawn of time. It's not as simple as just taking money from those who have and giving to those who don't. Set aside the humungous moral implications of that and it's still doesn't solve the problem. There are still social factors, education, etc.... that play into the problem. And beyond that being wealthy and even just having enough to get by is largely behavioral as well. So you could give them that money but whether they'd be able to hold on to it is another question altogether.
  7. huh

    huh Well-Known Member

    so.. I just wanted to say I am not one of those militant veg heads that pushes my own personal moral decisions on others.. In fact I am probably the worst veg on the planet because I am not a healthy fruit veg eater..I basically live on potato chips ...and...beer:).. but hey it's bread in a bottle right?:) I'm kind of a light weight.. I get all silly on 2..(good beer) sigh....last night I ate a whopper Jr w cheese minus meat and loaded it with onion rings and fries between the bun instead....:) surprisingly, I am apparently not the only one who orders standard fast food items minus the meat...they are used to it I can tell because nobody flinches when I do..anyhow
    . I still cook meat for others.. because .I like to cook..and people like to eat..although sometimes it does make me kind of sickened..at the thought but I try to push it out of my head...
    anywho, I'm babbling... but I wanted to say That was kind of my point in saying we should force everyone to become v to end world hunger....I was trying to point out that it is just as
    unfeasible..

    :)
  8. PrinceCorwin

    PrinceCorwin Well-Known Member

    @huh... I'm just curious... are you a veg for mainly health or moral reasons?
    BTW, I agree with your assessment of the rainbow unicorn version of socialism
  9. Bob Maxey

    Bob Maxey Well-Known Member

    Perhaps you need to look at the government(s). In many places, the government is tyrannical and could care less about the people. You said it yourself: "There is more than enough food in the world to feed the entire human population." So there you go. Leave the top sirloins and baby back ribs alone.

    You cannot blame animal production for this. We do quote well bringing great meats to the dinner table and we know how to effectively raise food on the hoof.
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  10. huh

    huh Well-Known Member

    Just my own personal moral reasons.. I'm probably less healthy now than when I did eat meat. But I just can't bring myself to eat it anymore.I was never a big eater anyway and didnt ever really have to worry about it because I am lucky to have an athletic body type.and high metabolism without having to work at it much...but now....
    ugh... I kind of have to struggle NOT to loose muscle tone by drinking Protein shakes(Yuck)
    :(
    hmmm

    I think I think too much...:)
  11. PrinceCorwin

    PrinceCorwin Well-Known Member

    Poor baby! Oh how I wish I had your problem... I gain weight from watching other people eat!
  12. saptech

    saptech Well-Known Member

  13. A.Nonymous

    A.Nonymous Well-Known Member

    Yeah, the US wastes tons of food every year. A lot of that is by restaurants who can't give their left overs away for fear of liability issues.
  14. Bob Maxey

    Bob Maxey Well-Known Member

    Not sure if I believe it. Bezos is worth 18 billion and Gates is worth 61 billion, but that is not ready cash. It is stocks, bonds, property and the like. The article omits the corruption visited upon many of these dirt poor peoples.

    Perhaps we need less taking from the rich and more getting rid of despots.

    I do not owe the world a living and if I were to give $5000.00 to the poor in some third world dump, it would find its way into the pockets of rulers that need to be dispatched.

    We (America) already do a hell of a lot for the world even though we know the money does not buy Wonder Bread; it purchases Wondrous Castles for rulers that are horrible.
  15. Bob Maxey

    Bob Maxey Well-Known Member

    LOL . . . I know a chief that wanted to give the left overs away. He was prevented by various laws and corporate rules. I can see it. As soon as you help the poor get a good case of food poisoning, he finds a lawyer who sues. NO GOOD DEED GOES UNPUNISHED!
  16. Bob Maxey

    Bob Maxey Well-Known Member

    Forgive me, but if you say your diet makes you unhealthy, then why visit your problems on the rest of the world? Meat will not kill you. Period.

    Excessive meat consumption may or may not be healthy. For many decades, we had the Food Pyramid. This was a guide to healthy eating. It included milk, grains, fruit, meat and fish.

    Moderation is the key, not omitting certain foods. We are animals, basically, and eating meat is what we the animals have always done.
  17. saptech

    saptech Well-Known Member

    So when we eat at restaurants, we may be paying for food poisoning? Interesting!
  18. Gmash

    Gmash Well-Known Member

    Potato chips and beer... the breakfast of champions! :p
  19. huh

    huh Well-Known Member

    My diet has pretty much always been unhealthy..I am and always have been a picky eater..I was being truthful when I said I basically live on potato chips and beer..forgot chocolate though..so Potato chips beer taco bell pizza and chocolate milk are my staples. Surprisingly I'm pretty healthy..or at least i Look healthy so ASSumption is that I am healthy.. and people DO judge books by their covers. but that's another subject...seriously though I have noticed that not eating meat has made me loose some muscle strenghth..I'm probably the only one who can tell..but I can..no wait..my Doc said he could tell too..but he is my friend and a smarty pants like me and was harassing me for fun...but did say I needed to stay on top of that...because it could be a problem down the road.... anyway so now I drink protein suppliments...
    anyway I was being sarcastic when I said everyone should go veg..It is my own personal choice to not eat meat and it is because if I think about it...(and I DO think too much)the thought of slaughtering and eating another living being makes me ill.
    by all means..meat on!.. all you like though..It's not for me to judge...
    PS
    I talk too much too:)
  20. A.Nonymous

    A.Nonymous Well-Known Member

    Honestly, I would slaughter and eat my neighbors if they looked tasty enough. :D
  21. huh

    huh Well-Known Member

    hahaha! nice!:)

    I won't kill animals but I'd take a human out in 2 sec flat and not even bat an eye if they messed.....
    it's true!
  22. Bob Maxey

    Bob Maxey Well-Known Member

    In a way, probably. Part of the cost of doing business is the insurance which I assume is there to protect the restaurant.

    We do not pay for food poisoning; we occasionally get that as a free bonus. I visited a place that just could not get it through their head that undercooked chicken was not a good idea. Perfect way to get poisoned.

    Some places no longer offer real Cesar Salads or rare steaks. Those that do, warn us patrons of the hazards of undercooked/raw food.
  23. sntaylor

    sntaylor Well-Known Member Contributor

    Seriously....that is bad! Litigation has gone to far, it has caused the health and safety over kill and I believe it has escalated in America! It never used to be a problem for food waste to be given away but now, because of fear of litigation, supermarkets cannot give away items out of date! Part of the reason I like to go to our local shop for daily items(have actually been given some veg free as it would otherwise have been getting thrown out, all I had to do was cut around the bit that had started going off!) and only do occasional big shops at the supermarkets...get most neat products from local farm shop which is cheaper than supermarkets anyway!

    Obviously giving away money ain't going to solve the issues immediately, especially with corruption in many countries(developed as well!) However I would say it's wrong to say you don't owe the world a living....we all do, part of the issue is selfishness.....help one another without wanting something in return, not to fear others...but that's going back to gun discussion :p

    Clearly, no one has"the" answer, but done countries are suffering because of us in the developed world causing pollution which is creating droughts and other adverse weather conditions...some countries grow specific items which rather than feed the people, governments sell for the use of biofuels!
  24. A.Nonymous

    A.Nonymous Well-Known Member

    There's a gas station in town that sells Krispy Kreme donuts. Every night at like 2-3 am they would throw out the day old donuts and get a delivery of new ones. When I worked 3rd shift we sent someone down there (an attractive young lady) to see if she could sweet talk the guys down there into letting us have the day old donuts rather than tossing them all the trash. We were told that regulations did not allow them to give us food that they had deemed as trash. These were donuts that were just a day old and they would rather throw them away.
  25. huh

    huh Well-Known Member

    That is just ridiculous! Throwing away perfectly good donuts should be a crime punishable by death!ll
    Actually, we have a pretty large local charity where I live. It's called Forgotten Harvest and they DO go to super markets restaurants retirement villages hospitals etc...and pick up perishable items and distribute it through emergency food relief programs. There are thousands of volunteers and partners who participate in this great program. I personally know many people who have volunteered time resources and money to this great cause. Restaurant owners who not only donate unused food but do charity events where they will donate a percentage of proceeds. And Retirement home executive chef's who will personally drive unused surplus food and drop it off at the Charity. I myself have helped drive some of this food over to the donation center. also by hosting and letting my students volunteer to come in on a saturday in the elementary school cafeteria and help pitch in by repackaging items for disbursement. So it can be done ..and is...being done! I live in the suburbs of a large city so it's not a small scale endeavor..
    Also there is a movement now to plant an apple tree in your yard to harvest the apples for the same need..Kind of like good ole Johnny Appleseed!
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