playing around with one of the phones that requires adb to root (not sure why, but it's a cheap phone so that may be it) i managed to get it to show and work with adb shell. following the instructions i managed to enable logs, and type in some Linux command stuff i didn't understand, but it eventually gave me an error and my phone froze and it wouldn't reboot in adb shell. so i manually did a battery pull, and when it booted back up, i went back into adb shell and it gives me a root prompt (# sign) and i got clockwork mod on there. weird. now i'm flashing ROM!