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  1. Thatdad

    Thatdad Well-Known Member

    Like the car that drives itself made by Google. :D

    Who was the author who wrote the book about the old smart house burning down? It was a really old one. It was all based on a time schedule. If you happen to know.

  2. funkylogik

    funkylogik share the love peeps ;) VIP Member

    People's ideas created scifi lol ;)
  3. Thatdad

    Thatdad Well-Known Member

    That's a technicality. :p
  4. Tattycakes

    Tattycakes Well-Known Member Contributor

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  5. funkylogik

    funkylogik share the love peeps ;) VIP Member

    Man i HATE Jerry Hildenbrand with a passion but he knows his stuff so ill give it a read. Thanks man :beer:
    Read it now and i do understand having the big internal SD but it doesnt really explain to me whats wrong with having an SD slot for media as well :confused:
  6. new optimus

    new optimus Well-Known Member

    I recall (vaguely) something about that but do not remember who? Or even the full story.
    No that does not explain anything, it goes into nicks theory of dumbing down everything.:p

    I do like the ext file system vs the fat but You would think in todays world they would find a new/safer/easier removable filesystem. seriously how long has fat filesystem been around, and its microsoft.

    Also irritates me that ext is a linux file system yet MTP is such a hassle on linux.

    Also the fact is when you plug in your nexus device, or any new phone mtp is crap for performance/copy transfer speeds. And you can not do as many things as you could before.:mad:
  7. Stannis the Mannis

    Stannis the Mannis Rapscallion VIP Member

    It's the same as the 2.x versions and i'm glad, it saves me a ton of space! It was a really pleasant suprise.
  8. jhawkkw

    jhawkkw Chinchillin' Moderator

    It's because MTP is a Microsoft product. :p
  9. Davdi

    Davdi Well-Known Member Contributor

    Re: a new OS coming along - Firefox OS (also Linux based, using HTML5 for ALL 'apps', runs on modest spec devices. Could be what my Wildfire S has been wanting.
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  10. bjacks12

    bjacks12 Well-Known Member

    Wait, Google said that they were leading by example by providing a large block of storage internally?

    I'm calling BS on this. The Nexus 4 comes with a maximum of 16 GB. Is that what they call a large block?
  11. jhawkkw

    jhawkkw Chinchillin' Moderator

    At the time they made this move with the Nexus S, 16GB was a lot of internal storage. They just haven't increased their total much.
  12. Thatdad

    Thatdad Well-Known Member

    Darn. The story went that there was a nuclear bomb blast. One part there was a starving dog that could smell food being cooked because of the time schedule..
    Tick tock 7 o clock 7 o tock time to wake up! Something along those lines.
    Found it. It was called There Will Come Soft Rains
    by Ray Bradbury
  13. Slug

    Slug Check six! Moderator

    Okay, time for a friendly reminder to keep your comments moderate and polite. There have been one or two remarks which stretch the above definitions; a bit of mild hyperbole is fine, but comparisons with genocidal regimes and accusations of 'stupidity' for holding different opinions are out-of-line.

    Also, please note that links to apps which advocate/allow piracy and/or licence circumvention are verbotten here on AF. We don't care if they have legitimate purposes.... if they also allow "cracking" of apps they're not acceptable.
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  14. zuben el genub

    zuben el genub Well-Known Member

    If you don't need a salt shaker - here's the phone:
    Buy it now -- ZTE Open Firefox phone comes to eBay

    I'd like to know if I can get FX extensions. I can't live without NoScript and Tab Permissions which turns off images on the fly. And an HTML blocker like the Noflash extension for FX on the computer.

    You would have to go read the blurbs on the FX nightlies to see all the ideas being put out.

    Even the Vulcan is part of this "do it for me" He's pulled that on new computer apps as "it's too hard to figure out" and he started with DOS! He also thinks the Nexus 4 is too complicated.
  15. JIMV

    JIMV Well-Known Member


    I want my phone to do a very few things but I want those to be flawless
    1. make and receive calls clearly anywhere in the world I am likely to visit
    2. Store and playback Hi-Def videos
    3. Store and playback High Rez audio through USB audio out
    4. Use the internet as desired
    5. Provide massive on board storage.

    That's about it...Note nothing about texting/social networks/abra cadbra gimmicks, no 'cloud' and most assuredly no unwanted mandatory apps and no paying for services not wanted of used.
  16. JIMV

    JIMV Well-Known Member

    This was their excuse

    And it is BS...they want to sell cloud storage and they want control of some basic apps like apple does with iTunes.
  17. nickdalzell

    nickdalzell Well-Known Member Contributor

    Also want to sell phones where the higher capacity is more expensive, like Apple. And, I did mention Google's reasons were utter crap. I just see them locking down more and more. UI aside, their recent updates to their apps keep removing important functions. They are already attempting the 'walled garden' approach with their theme regarding the Play Store and the other Google apps carrying the same UI. The only difference is that it resembles more WebOS and Windows 8 and lacks the fake leather stitching of Apple's UI.
  18. divinebovine

    divinebovine Well-Known Member Contributor

    Drat. This thread blew up again and I was unable to look at it again until there was so much I want to respond to that it's megaquote time. Again, breaking it into a few posts...

    Wouldn't those people be bothered if their favorite thing used to offer an interface optimized for them but doesn't anymore? That's what nick is ranting about. He doesn't have a problem with an interface being available for those folks, and at the moment he could be placated just by having a non-default option for folks like him and myself...the default could even be for the differently-abled.

    Some folks want to fly through their interface without being coddled or condescended. A huge gnarly lever for windshield wipers just gets in my way; a small control at the end of my turn signal lever, requiring a bit of dexterity, does NOT get in my way and lets me adjust my wipers while doing a bunch of other things simultaneously. The huge gnarly lever on my 1997 Pontiac would be great for elderly folks, but the concentrated collection of many controls in one place on my 1987 Cadillac and 2002 GMC were perfect for me.

    The same issue comes into play when you design a computer or mobile interface for the lowest common denominator (by which I mean the design that kinda fits EVERYBODY but doesn't fit anybody particularly well).
  19. divinebovine

    divinebovine Well-Known Member Contributor

    They'll certainly push the limits to see what they can get away with before losing customers, like a teenager pushing his parents' limits.

    Juggernauts like Google, Microsoft, and Apple don't listen, they tell. They tell the masses what to like and the masses either get with the program or get left behind.

    If you put them on an SD card, can't you get in trouble for importing controlled data?

    Science fiction connects the imaginations of writers with the drive and skills of engineers. There are plenty of people who can come up with cool ideas and plenty who can build cool stuff, but often they are not the same people.

    I was going to complain to nick about potentially invoking Godwin's Law.'s_law
  20. divinebovine

    divinebovine Well-Known Member Contributor

    Ok, now here's the big megaquote!

    nick, how much time do you spend in Play? I drop in to tap "install" then I never see it again. If I'm doing a bunch of stuff I might spend 5 minutes tolerating it in a day, then I don't see it again for weeks. Mostly I use it on a computer in a browser where there's plenty of screen real estate to handle all the oversized crud they put in anyway.
    Yup, just like I said...but it minimizes your exposure. It's ugly but just to tap a single button you should be able to cringe through it.

    You know, I bet you could use Play from a browser and write code to clean it up and skin it. In Opera use UserJS. In Firefox use Greasemonkey. Plenty of people do it for other sites.

    I wasn't thinking of LCARS, but actually...when the crap hits the fan, children have occasionally saved the ship. I can't remember what episodes but I'm pretty sure it has happened. Hasn't it? [​IMG]

    No, I was thinking of interfaces in general that allow anyone to operate and engineer any ship regardless of language and design differences.

    Dude. Don't worry about the stylus. It's not compulsory. It's there on one model (or a scant few?) for those who want to use it. Further, you can't say "stop goring MY ox" at the same time as "gore HIS ox". If you want them to keep old features while adding new ones, sending mixed messages won't help.

    Too late.

    It's your fault. I mean YOU. You, me, and everybody else who dislikes it. As long as you keep using it you are approving it. Actions speak louder than words. Tolerate a different selection. Deal with the loss of updates for the apps you bought. Accept more risk. Put your money where your mouth is or they'll never pay attention to you.

    You mentioned a historic event in which people stood up for what they believe in. They didn't just speak. They acted. They died for what they thought was right. The stakes are lower here and so are the costs of taking action. You don't have to die.

    You know who's the larger Android market than folks like you and me? China. And you know what? They don't use Play. If they can live without it, you can.

    That's not an option for people who want Ubuntu but not Unity? It is on the desktop.

    Unfortunately that's the nature of choosing a different have to start over and abandon stuff you bought, at least unless decent virtualization is available and you have the power to support it.

    I wouldn't call it hacking, unless you mean on mobile versions. On regular desktop linux you simple choose which environment you want, or even choose a distribution that doesn't offer Unity.

    No, but now they're here and they're not gonna get anywhere new by doing what they've always done. They're not going to lose the customers they gained as long as there's no better option, and in the meantime they stand to steal some customers from the competition that they emulate.

    Learn about linux firewalling. Perhaps funnel Play through a local proxy and filter out updates to Play while allowing everything else.

    I bet you could get a few preferable app stores the sum total of which would be a superset of what's available on Play. You'll still have to use Play to get updates for the apps you bought from Play unless you want to get them illegitimately.

    To acquire files that have expired from sites like that (or were on sites that were shut down by the authorities), you need to do some creative searching. Use the URL that you know and find someone's post with a list of other mirrors. Use the filename at a search engine made for sites like that. Etc.

    Give her adb shell and tell her what I said about filtering unwanted traffic.

    People still want to watch videos and use colorful apps. Don't worry, we won't get EGA screens.

    People only get in and get out of Play, they don't hang around in it all the time. People on Windows 8 are stuck with it the whole time they operate their computer.
  21. nickdalzell

    nickdalzell Well-Known Member Contributor

    When the older Play Store had two-column views of search results, it was far more tablet friendly, especially if you own one with a high resolution ten-inch screen. Their recent redesign really turned the high contrast up, and blew the elements up to where it is now one huge column which makes the same high resolution screen look like a CGA monitor from 1987. The color theme, with the pastel reds, blues, and greens didn't help to break the illusion either. Now even less shows up. It is like Google is trying to be sure we don't hit the wrong icon or card. But I can make that decision on my own thanks. When I said it appeared to cater to visually impaired, a minority if I am correct, I meant that the mere oversized UI isn't friendly to folks with normal, 20/20 vision.

    Google didn't need to redesign the look. They needed to fix the bugs that the Play Store has had since day one, not change for the sake of change. Cartoon-UIs are great for kids. I'm an adult and prefer an adult interface. Personally like with Facebook I hate when some company decides to change the look for no reason, saying 'hey we did this, enjoy!' And ignore every complaint. That's bad business. Perhaps I was a bit naive thinking Google would listen like they did in the past. At least provide an option for classic UI. I had to instead hack my way towards the previous UI. That shouldn't be needed. Android is about choices, yet Google continues to remove choices one at a time. It's not enough they completely redid the UI and released it in one day over a phased gradual change, they had to release a buggy, unfinished product on top of an already buggy, unfinished product.

    The new UI is almost an attempt at a 'one size fits all' interface. If I wanted that, I'd have stayed with iOS.
  22. Thatdad

    Thatdad Well-Known Member

    Don't worry man, they just got to do their thing and learn what people like and don't like.

    At least we hope.

    How's the playstore working for you? Has it updated itself again?
  23. nickdalzell

    nickdalzell Well-Known Member Contributor

    To be honest, I haven't tried opening it. Been a bit bitter the last few weeks at Google. I often spend hours browsing apps in the Play Store, just to discover cool new things, such as a launcher, themes, widgets, games, apps since my phone and tablets constantly change as I do. I never keep one theme forever. I love to customize. So yeah, if the interface looks like crap, I notice. I will say that I thoroughly enjoy the older Play Music app as I use it the most. The library takes far less steps now. To shuffle all my content, I now simply swipe right twice and tap 'shuffle all' in the later versions, I have to click the Play Music icon in the upper left corner, select 'my library' and then swipe twice to 'songs' and finally hit 'shuffle all' the new UI takes too many steps and the new version has this long lag or delay between songs while the old one is snappy . The only app I installed today was UC Browser to replace Chrome on my Nexus 10, since Chrome has been unstable since it updated to Android 4.3. My launcher kept reloading and messing up my widgets' layouts. Lately I'm trying to get into the pattern of buying apps from Amazon first, downloading free apps in it or 1Mobile Market second, and Play dead last.
  24. Thatdad

    Thatdad Well-Known Member

    Has the one I sent you been stable though?
    Would be appreciative of you checked. Oh and if you need the patcher you have to pm me since I can't post it openly. (against the rules)
  25. bjacks12

    bjacks12 Well-Known Member

    I definitely miss the older Play Music. Wish they wouldn't have molested it :(
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