Apple positioning anti-trust over subscriptions in their App Store?


  1. whs37

    whs37 Well-Known Member


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  2. Stuntman

    Stuntman Well-Known Member

    The part that really troubles me is

    Apple is basically telling publishers that all other ways of paying for the digital subscription must not be cheaper than paying through Apple. Apple takes a 30% cut. If some other system or company provides a channel for users to subscribe and only takes a 20% cut, publishers cannot make that method 10% cheaper for the customers. Isn't that anti-competitive?
  3. IOWA

    IOWA Mr. Logic Pants Moderator

    Yeah there are rumors of anti-trust suits because of these new 'policies'.
  4. A.Nonymous

    A.Nonymous Well-Known Member

    Apple wants their cut. I can't blame them for trying to get their cut. Whether people stand for it or not is another thing. How much business does Amazon lose if they pull their app from the app store vs how much business do they lose if they start selling in app?
  5. byteware

    byteware Well-Known Member

    What would REALLY be interesting, is if there was a backlash and everybody took their business to Android... I don't see it happening, but it would be VERY interesting.
  6. A.Nonymous

    A.Nonymous Well-Known Member

    The Kindle store in the Android app is in-app because users requested it. I would imagine the only reason Amazon hasn't made their iOS app support in store purchases is because they don't want to pay the 30% to Apple and I can't blame them. Apple is their competitor in the e-book business.
  7. Apple sucks, almost as bad as Microsoft. Open-source is truly the way of the future...Apple will eventually feel the impact of their decisions. The reason they do this is because they have such a small market of brainwashed zombies that pay for Apple's outrageous pricing that they have to wreck anyone that wants to use their technology to pay the bills (their computers are crap...for the kind of money that a macbook costs I could build a linux machine that is 8 to 10 times more powerful).
  8. EarlyMon

    EarlyMon The PearlyMon Moderator

    ^I'm leaving that post up as an example of what not to do in this thread. :mad:

    If this thread turns into another set of posts from Linux users using any excuse whatsoever to hijack yet another thread because the word Apple is mentioned, then I'll take action.

    It's especially frustrating as comparing Linux (an operating system) to Apple (a hardware company) is somehow fine around here - but let anyone compare the iPhone (a piece of hardware) to Android (an operating system) and everyone screams murder.

    This thread is about actions taken at the Apple App Store concerning subscriptions.

    That's important - it could lead to anti-trust issues - it could impact moves Google will take with their upcoming offerings.

    This is a not a thread where you read the title, pay zero attention and post how great Linux is.

    :mad:

    And while the Linux fans are stewing - try reading up on Darwin, WebKit and a few other things.

    Edit - and to remove further temptation, I'm changing the thread title.
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  9. Crude

    Crude Well-Known Member

    I think this makes it clear that android and iphone aren't really the same at all. While they are both capable devices they don't both target the same customers and in fact we are comparing apples to ...well, robots.
    Apple has already demonstrated they have a very competent legal team. I think this will stick. One the flip side, if apple upsets enough of their developers....well the outcome will be predictable.
  10. A.Nonymous

    A.Nonymous Well-Known Member

    It will be interesting to see Apple downplay it's roll in the market as that's it's main defense against anti-trust suits. Even if said suits don't go through it will be very interesting to see if services like Pandora, Rhapsody, Amazon, BN, etc.... cave to Apple or just pull their apps. That would be a blow to Apple I would think. The article about Rhapsody is linked above. Pandora is in the same type of boat Rhapsody is in. 45-50% of their revenue is gone in licensing. I don't see how they can afford to potentially give away another 30% to Apple.
  11. whs37

    whs37 Well-Known Member

    It will also be interesting how the EU anti-trust authorities are going to react to that. They usually act against preditory practices.
  12. Bnice

    Bnice Guest

    Come on, how greedy can one be? 30 % and then they want more if purchase is made else where. What I don't understand is why companies do business with then. Hopefully they will migrate to Android.
  13. A.Nonymous

    A.Nonymous Well-Known Member

    I think we can all agree that it is definitely up there on the evil-ometer regardless of your opinion on Apple.
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  14. Crude

    Crude Well-Known Member

    The right thing would be for all the developers to pull their apps from apples market. What will likely happen is the service will cost more on all platforms to make up the revenue that is going to apple.
  15. A.Nonymous

    A.Nonymous Well-Known Member

    I don't think that can happen realistically. If a service like Rhapsody, Pandora or Amazon raises their prices 30% across the board it really cuts into their profit margins pretty severely.
  16. IOWA

    IOWA Mr. Logic Pants Moderator

    Maybe not. With Android's rise, and now market share leader, iOS doesn't have control over the market like they used to. Furthermore, with the rush of Android tablets, iOS is going to get beaten down even further more into the shadows.

    IMO Apple is digging themselves a grave with this and other policies.
  17. A.Nonymous

    A.Nonymous Well-Known Member

    I don't necessarily agree. While Android may be the leader in market share for devices, they're certainly not close to being the leader in distributing mobile content. If someone like Amazon did pull out of the App Store, they would definitely lose a significant portion of their business. I'm too lazy to look up what portion it would be.

    I need to browse some mac forums to see how the fanboys are defending this.
  18. IOWA

    IOWA Mr. Logic Pants Moderator

    Ah but here's the catch 22. Would amazon lose more money with Apple's 30% share getting take out, or just by withdrawing to other, more popular platforms.
  19. A.Nonymous

    A.Nonymous Well-Known Member

    Apple fanboy take on this - the 30% is worth it because you are paying for the "privilege" of being on iOS.

    Wow. Just wow.
  20. whs37

    whs37 Well-Known Member

    Yeah, this amazing indeed. Just like people pay double price for a Mac laptop. I never understood that. I think a lot has to do with hype.
  21. EarlyMon

    EarlyMon The PearlyMon Moderator

    Yeah, all those fanboys paying that 30% increase that hasn't happened yet is amazing.
  22. A.Nonymous

    A.Nonymous Well-Known Member

    It's very interesting as some people are suggesting people like Amazon simply turn their apps into just readers and not sell any content or link to any content in them. I don't know if that violates the TOS or not. The other thing is that Apple gets the customer info on all in app purchases. Does a company like Amazon want to give Apple it's customer information? Somehow I think not.
  23. Crude

    Crude Well-Known Member

    This is why I don't like apple...not because they don't have a capable device.
    But your right....WOW.
  24. A.Nonymous

    A.Nonymous Well-Known Member

    I'm in the same boat. They make quality devices, but the fanboys are just rabid and insane. Granted you have Android fanboys who are the same, but there don't seem to be as many of them.
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