Apple's next iPhone

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  1. redpill2016

    redpill2016 Well-Known Member

    A 64-bit chip in that phone is a gimmick. It has what, 1 or 2 gigs of RAM? No where near the 4GB limit of 32-bit. And developers aren't going to rush toward 64-bit programming when the money is made in catering to the 32-bit masses.

    Apple has always done it this way, they make things and then attempt to force consumers to think they need them, instead of listening to their customers needs and making a product that fits them. If they did the latter there would be a 5" iPhone by now.

  2. Rxpert83

    Rxpert83 Dr. Feelgood Moderator

    The WSJ reported (last week I believe) that apple was testing screen sizes IP to 6"

    A larger iPhone is coming eventually
  3. rabidhunter

    rabidhunter Well-Known Member Contributor

    mikedt, can you verify this?

    Source iPhone faces challenge in crowded Chinese market
  4. EarlyMon

    EarlyMon The PearlyMon Moderator

    I should think that any developer that doesn't recompile to get a 64-bit / iP5s badge in their app store will be asleep at the switch.

    And ram use - why is everyone going on about 4 GB ram? Addressing space and data width aren't the same thing. When/if Android goes 64-bit, I certainly don't want 4 GB ram hogging my battery.
    So is the heat death of the universe.

    I'm taking no bets on which comes first.
  5. nickdalzell

    nickdalzell Well-Known Member Contributor

    if you have the need for a fingerprint scanner or retina scanner on your smartphone, i'd be re-evaluating your life a bit. no one should have that type of sensitive data on a device such as a smartphone.
  6. Stannis the Mannis

    Stannis the Mannis Rapscallion VIP Member

  7. EarlyMon

    EarlyMon The PearlyMon Moderator

    What device should it be on? :D
  8. nickdalzell

    nickdalzell Well-Known Member Contributor

    Bank vaults, home security, anything you'd expect it...who keeps such sensitive stuff on a device likely to be run over by a bus, drooled on by deer, or chewed by the dog? in either of those cases, a fingerprint ID won't save the data.

    It reminds me of those old movies where some fancy tech or such was inside a suitcase and was chained or handcuffed to the guy carrying it. all it took was someone willing to chop off the guy's wrist to steal the device, often a nuke trigger of some kind.
  9. bjacks12

    bjacks12 Well-Known Member

    Not defending Apple, but Henry Ford once said that if he'd listened to customers, he would have built a better buggy.
  10. Thatdad

    Thatdad Well-Known Member

    Wasn't even impressed with the fingerprint scanner. If or when they come out with Retinal scan.. Now that would be cool.

    Seems to me most people were interested in the iPhone 5S coming in Gold color. Stupid.
  11. mikedt

    mikedt 你好 Guide

    iPhone 5C 16GB in China is equivalent of $750, no carrier subsidy available. So one has to quite well monied to own one. Gucci shoes pricing. :rolleyes: ...and still no TV advertising for Apple, due to the ban on luxury product ads. The other thing I think hurts iPhone sales here is that many people now seem to want larger screen phones. 5 inch and larger, phones have become quite popular now, many of which are quite reasonably priced.
  12. mrex

    mrex Well-Known Member

    iphone 5s 16gb 719 euros (955 us dollars) (estimated prizes here)
    iphone 5c 16gb 619 euros (822 us dollars)

    Note 3 32gb 750 euros (estimated)

    Did someone say, 5c would be a cheap one? Eh!? Why on earth I would pay 619 euros for an ordinary phone when I get a Note 2 for 530 euros or a Note 3 from750 euros?

    Ps. Im also disappointed that Apple didnt print more logos, text etc. on the back. There is still some space left!
  13. CimBa07

    CimBa07 Member

    My coworkers and I were talking about the fingerprint security feature the day the announcement for the 5s and 5c were made. May be a dumb question, but couldn't someone just put like a ziplock bag over their thumb and press down on an old fingerprint left on the screen?

    And I had no idea Android had fingerprint security a year ago. Makes me happy that I stuck with Android instead of switching to an iPhone because now I know for sure that I won't be lagging behind in smartphone technological innovations.

    And everyone will get the gold 5s. Just like how everyone got the white iPhone when it was first released.
  14. Slug

    Slug Check six! Moderator

    It's not about "saving the data", it's about providing a simple intuitive alternative to PINs, pattern locks and suchlike.

    I may not have any state secrets or classified documents on my smartphone, but if I am unfortunate enough to lose it I'm damned sure I don't want some scrote picking it up and rummaging through my address book and emails. To me that info is very valuable, that's why it's PIN-secured right now, and why I'd quite like fingerprint ID.
  15. mikedt

    mikedt 你好 Guide

    Apparently it doesn't work like that, has to be a live finger.
    Why the iPhone's fingerprint sensor is better than the ones on older laptops | CITEworld
    So no lifting of fingerprints or severed fingers or thumbs. :D
    ....although that might depend if any iPhone robber is technologically aware or not if you come out with all your digits still attached.
  16. Thatdad

    Thatdad Well-Known Member

    Its been proven that more often than not fingerprint scanners are the easiest of all to get into.

    Why do you think hug government agencies and private sector use retinal scanners?
  17. nickdalzell

    nickdalzell Well-Known Member Contributor

    Aren't there enough MacGyver episodes out there proving that such scanners are easy to hack? forget the mirror to the retina scanner, or the tin foil to obscure a security camera, there are a ton of examples in various 1980s films/tv shows proving that anyone, if they are really motivated, can bypass a fingerprint scanner.
  18. jefboyardee

    jefboyardee Well-Known Member

    A new twist on fingerprints:

    Apple’s Fingerprint ID May Mean You Can’t ‘Take the Fifth’

    Because the constitutional protection of the Fifth Amendment, which guarantees that “no person shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself,” may not apply when it comes to biometric-based fingerprints (things that reflect who we are) as opposed to memory-based passwords and PINs (things we need to know and remember).
  19. tigmd99

    tigmd99 Well-Known Member

    Geez, this thread is all about mis-information and fanboyism to the extreme! Yet, it is these same folks who call out Apple fanboys! Instead of blatant ignorance, we need to be more open-minded!

    For me, Apple is like Toyota. They do copy and that is clear with iOS7...just like Toyota copying Germans' tech. Difference is that Toyota makes the tech smoother and more reliable. This is what Apple does...and ever so often, does indeed innovate.

    I will address a few points:

    1. TouchID is far more advance than the clunky unreliable Moto Atrix fingerprint reader. Remember, Apple is aiming for businesses. They won't release something that can be bypass easily. This ain't Face Unlock. No, you can't cut a finger!

    2. Camera. Yes, it is still 8MP. But, Apple did many behind the scenes to improve it. And yeah, 8MP may in fact be better than 13MP because of what Apple did with the sensor and pixel size. Why?

    Ask Anandtech: AnandTech | Some Thoughts about the iPhone 5S Camera Improvements

    Or: A Photographer

    Read it and educate please!

    3. A7 processor. No, 64 bit is not useless on a smartphone...and yes, it does provide better performance...marginal to significance all depending on how complex (either mathematical and/or graphics) the program/app is. The more complex, the more A7 shines. According to CHAIR (maker of Infinity Blade series), A7 is almost 5 times faster than A6 when a game/app/program is coded for 64-bit with Apple compiler, such as Infinity Blade 3.

    READ: Apple's iPhone 5s, the A7 Chip, and That 64-Bit Question - John Paczkowski - Mobile - AllThingsD

    Here is another post that addresses this:
    "The performance advantages of going to 64-bit very much depend on the entire software stack (kernel, drivers, compilers, apps) being optimized for 64-bit. The ability to address more than 4GB of memory is one clear advantage. But even if the smartphones today don't have 4GB of memory, there are some other performance advantages as well - provided that the entire software stack is optimized for 64-bit processing. The data paths, register files, caches, etc. are now 64-bit, so more data can be processed per clock than with 32-bit architecture - but the key here is that the compiler (part of the software development kit) must know how to take advantage of the wider data paths and 64-bit resources. If the compiler is optimized, then the kernel, drivers, and apps (which are compiled with that compiler) will see performance boost. I would expect that integer operations, and especially floating point operations (which often need 64-bit data representation), would be faster. Data-intensive games in particular will stand to gain the most if they are properly compiled and optimized.

    If the compiler is not optimized, then there is really not much performance gain by just merely going from 32-bit to 64-bit.

    When Apple said that the iOS kernel, drivers, etc. have been "re-engineered for 64-bit", I suspect that they did a lot of performance tuning that I mentioned above.

    In addition, note that Apple also doubled the sizes of the register files in the A7. This means that more data can be kept in the register files, which can be accessed by the processor's computational units much quicker than the data in memory (or even in caches).

    Note also that Apple mentioned "modern instruction set". I suspect that this means that the 64-bit instructions are optimized with the underlying 64-bit hardware. This is different from the Intel world where the performance of the existing x86-64 architecture is severely hindered by the old legacy stuff.

    Having said that, I suspect that, in order to get the 2X performance gain over A6, Apple might also do something else in the A7, such as adding more computational units, tweaking pipelines, memory fetching units, cache / branch prediction, etc. Of course, this is just pure speculation as I have no inside knowledge of what Apple has done.

    By the way, I think the rest of the industry is moving to 64-bit soon. I heard that Samsung will have 64-bit processors in their smartphone lineup next year (2014). If there is no performance gain for moving to 64-bit, then Samsung and others would not do it. Note also that the AllThingsD article points out that the road to 64-bit for Android will be harder and longer than for Apple.

    With Google acquiring Motorola and Microsoft doing the same with Nokia, I think the rest of the industry recognizes that the tight integration of hardware and software has some good values after all...."

    BTW, this is what the A7 is based on: ARM Launches Cortex-A50 Series, the World?s Most… - ARM

    Serious firepower. And yeah, Samsung went way off course with its Octa. Samsung really screwed up despite their expertise in chip design & manufacturing. The only chip that can keep up with A7 is the Qualcomm S800...and that is up for question.

    Come on guys, less fanboyism and more Googling! :)
  20. tigmd99

    tigmd99 Well-Known Member

  21. gtbarry

    gtbarry Well-Known Member

  22. tigmd99

    tigmd99 Well-Known Member

    Read it again...48 hrs or rebooting. But, is this any different from what you do now with ANY smartphone? The difference is that TouchID allows for QUICK and RELIABLE unlock while still maintaining strong security, on par with PIN.

    What do WE Android users have? Face Unlock crap? That is the biggest joke! I can't believe Google actually came out with that crap! That is a problem when software and hardware don't match a damn! Pattern unlocking? Oh yeah, just look at the smear on the display and voila! Instant access.

    Be fair guys. Give credit where it is due. Unlike recent past, Apple did good this time around. They have managed to surge ahead of competition where it counts...customer interface and future proofing. What has Samsung added that is worthwhile this year? Eye scrolling crap that only works sometimes and requires perfect conditions to work. They can't even make a chip worth owning!
  23. Rxpert83

    Rxpert83 Dr. Feelgood Moderator

    We've yet to see how "quick and reliable" the technology is as Apple applied it.

    Let's wait til it's actually in peoples hands and really tested before making any claims about how great it is.

    We have no clue how easy it is to trick yet
  24. Thatdad

    Thatdad Well-Known Member

  25. Thatdad

    Thatdad Well-Known Member

    The masses beg to differ.

    When asked what phone was better most chose the S4 over the 5S.

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