Arizona immigration law

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  1. burgertime

    burgertime Well-Known Member

  2. Vihzel

    Vihzel Destroying Balls Everyday VIP Member

    Bill = no good. K thread done. :p
  3. 3devious

    3devious Well-Known Member

    Should we also plan the death of the governer as they suggest?
  4. soulfetcher13

    soulfetcher13 Well-Known Member

    The Arizona immigration law is a wonderful thing and i hope to see many more states including mine institute more just like it.
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  5. Mikerosoftpro

    Mikerosoftpro Well-Known Member

    Amen. Why is it illegal, yet nothing is done about it. If I go take the money out of someones pocket who does not want me too (like me the tax payer) then I would go to jail.
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  6. Rota

    Rota Well-Known Member

    I fully support this law and am proud of our governor. Let's hope it truly is bullet proof enough to stand up to the frivolous lawsuits awaiting.
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  7. polkadots

    polkadots Well-Known Member

    The law is a damn disgrace to our great nation. I'm appalled at something like this. Immigration law needs reform, and something must be done with respect to illegal immigrants - but putting a law on the books that more or less gives the thumbs-up to racial profiling is abhorrent.
  8. Rota

    Rota Well-Known Member

    Read the law. It specifically states that race cannot be a factor to raise suspicion that someone is an illegal immigrant. By reform do you mean to just suddenly legalize all the criminals that are here right now? Then they'll start bringing their family over, and become even more of a drain on our economy than they already are.

    These people are not immigrants, they are criminals. Immigrants come here legally. Tell you what, judging by your location and whackjob political views, I'm going to saw you're from Kalifornia. How about you take all of our illegals? It's practically a haven for them over in that backwards ****ed-up state.

    I'm sure you also haven't heard that these morons think that they have some sort of rights, and now that we want to enforce the federal law at a state level, they're threatening to come kill Americans.

    Furthermore, have you read the story about the Pinal County sheriff that was shot repeatedly by a group of illegals this weekend while he was filling in for someone on his day off? Of course not, because you're still using rhetoric like "racial profiling".

    People who are against this law are saying that murder, vandalism, burglary, tax evasion, and identity theft is more justifiable than racism.
  9. Crude

    Crude Well-Known Member

    I suppose every one is gonna hate me now but statistically...racial profiling works. I'm just saying is all.

    Even though the bill specifically states that race cannot play a role it's conceivable that while a German illegal immigrant is just as illegal as the Mexican one, it's the Mexican illegals that are causing the problems and will therefore take the brunt of this states frustrations. In the end Arizona is tired of having their issues placed on the back burner and this will cause action one way or another. I support the bill.

    On a side note, has anyone else notice the individual states becoming more and more proactive and in a way almost defiant to the federal government? :D
  10. hakr100

    hakr100 Well-Known Member

    Well, that is convincing. :rolleyes:
  11. soulfetcher13

    soulfetcher13 Well-Known Member

    Left coast is right. Only a liberal could come up with something as silly as that. All things being equal, you and all of you who try to make this argument are either disingenuous it ignorant, or both. The arizona law is almost a carbon copy, at the state level, of the federal law which states, IF YOU ARE HERE ILLEGALLY IT IS A FREAKIN CRIME. Now, not only van they prosecute for a federal crime, but also a state crime. Not to mention, the fact of the matter is we can no longer afford them. They are here because our government has made is so appealing with all the entitlement programs we have who wouldn't come here for free money, free health care and you dont even have to show i.d. People like you also fell for socialized medicine, thinking how wonderful, healthcare go everyone at government expense. Guess what, that meas my expense too, probably not yours though, too busy getting government checks while drawing pictures of clouds.

    This Arizona law is i hope but the first of 49 more like it.

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  12. Rota

    Rota Well-Known Member

    I don't know what else you need. It's written in black and white in the bill. Will it happen? Most likely. Is the bill more likely to pass legal challenges? Yes. The entire Arizona police force is being retrained over exactly how they can implement this new law and keep within its legal bounds.
  13. Hangdog42

    Hangdog42 Well-Known Member

    So are all the supporters of this law going to be so supportive when the police start asking American citizens for proof that they are American citizens? Believe me, I get that illegal is illegal, but I'm not sure that questioning Americans about their citizenship is the way to go about solving the problem.
  14. Bnice

    Bnice Guest

    Amen, can't believe and human being can see this as a good thing,these family have children on the front line as we speak serving and dieing for this country.they do the jobs most blacks and whites will not do and the last time i check all race robbed,steal and kill.
  15. URNotEntitled

    URNotEntitled Member

    Imagine my surprise (?) when I joined the androidforums to ask about the HTC Incredible I'm considering only to see "Arizona immigration law" at the top of the threads.

    It is unfortunate that so many see this a some new set of rules against immigration, when all the bill does is take what's currently a violation of federal law and make it a state crime (misdemeanor) as well. This will allow AZ law enforcement agencies to detain illegal aliens instead of simply forwarding a name to ICE agents. If US ICE were staffed properly individual states wouldn't have to resort to this.

    As an American citizen, I am all for this law. As an AZ taxpayer, I worry that this state can ill-afford the costs of detaining the illegal alien population over time. Add to that the increasing number of windbags calling for a boycott of Arizona and I feel that this passing of this bill will hurt us more in the pocket than it will ever benefit us.

    That said, someone has to take a stand, and I'm glad AZ was the first to do so. Now if only we could our elected officials to balance a budget instead of passing that job off to the voters...
  16. URNotEntitled

    URNotEntitled Member

    If the police ask for ID, yes, I will provide it. Not that big a deal.
  17. URNotEntitled

    URNotEntitled Member

    if you're trying to imply that illegal aliens are serving in the US military, then that's just more proof that our current federal system simply doesn't work.

    If, on the other hand, you're use of the word "dieing" ( - see definition 2) means that they're in the factories and machine shops using tools cut, carve, drill, etc. - well in that case I still think this proves that there's an illegal alien taking the job some American citizen should have.
  18. 3devious

    3devious Well-Known Member

    My ID does not say anything about my citizenship. It says that I am legally able to operate a motorvehicle (the DMV still hasn't realized its mistake.) It doesn't say that I am an immigrant (I just look hispanic.)

    My work ID has my name and a really bad picture of me on it. That also doesn't say that I am a citizen here. The only ways that I have to prove my citizenship are my social security card (that you aren't supposed to carry around,) my passport (the photo in that is hideous and I am NOT carrying that anywhere. Hell, I might not travel internationally until I can get a new one,) or my birth certificate. I don't carry any of those with me.

    If someone feels the need to verify it, they can come home with me and look, but I am not carrying it around.

    That being said, I don't really care about the law. If I get pulled over in AZ, I'll give them directions to my house and they can look it up. I am not going to show them that I grew up in Flint, MI by getting all salty about it if they ask about my citizenship. I'll just tell them where they can verify it. I am sure they will be more interested in asking the DMV why I was deemed fit to drive.
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  19. 3devious

    3devious Well-Known Member

    C'mon man. It is bad enough that it looks like you created that account just to wiegh in on an issue on behalf of an "alt" or something, but don't nitpick at stuff like that when it draws attention away from the core issue and make you look like you just want to attack people.
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  20. hakr100

    hakr100 Well-Known Member

    The law you so admire will be tossed out by the Supremes, even the current Supremes, on any of several grounds. Meanwhile, it'll be interesting to see what sort of "hit" the Arizona economy takes because of this racially motivated law.
  21. 3devious

    3devious Well-Known Member

    It might also be interesting to know if the tourism/allstar game/extremist inspired boycotting revenue loss hits the state harder than the money they could save if the targeted individuals leave for areas that allow those people to be here illegally.
  22. Hangdog42

    Hangdog42 Well-Known Member

    ID and citizenship papers are two different things. American citizens have never had to carry any sort of proof of citizenship, ever. Now they are, at least in AZ. To be honest, I find it rather sad that so many Americans are so willing to give up their basic rights.
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  23. aximtreo

    aximtreo Well-Known Member

    Yes the Arizona economy will take a hit. Yes the law will be challenged in many courts. Yes I live in Arizona and support the bill. Why, for two main reasons. First this will cause the illegals in Arizona to start moving in large numbers to other close by states and that state's economy will begin to go in the tank providing services for the people that they haven't contributed to the tax base to pay for. Secondly, by these Arizona border states talking about and passing laws for their states will finally cause the US Govenrnment to provide a workable and fair national plan for immigration.

    Look, I'm white, born in NC and will probably be construed as a RED NECk. Fine, if that's what you want to call me but I just can't afford any more taxes to pay for these people and I'm truly ashamed for the debt we are leaving to our children and their children. We are the greatest country in the world. The constitution provides that each and every citizen has the right to pursue their goals. That goal is not guaranteed but simply the opportunity to pursue. I support the bill until something better is agreed on at the national level.
  24. Crude

    Crude Well-Known Member

    How is Arizona's economy going to take a hit? Boycotts?
  25. Rota

    Rota Well-Known Member

    Under this law, a valid driver's license is sufficient to show you're a legal citizen.

    I'm incredibly proud of our state this year. Even though a ton of morons oppose this bill, they're helping spread the word that these laws need to be enforced. Good job guys.

    I think it would be fair for us to give all our illegals to the people against this bill, then watch as their economy comes crashing down and crime rate grows immensely. Maybe then they would see why we need this bill.
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