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Support Bad News, the Triumph may be a rebadged low quality Huawei


  1. shark974

    shark974 Well-Known Member

    As you can see in this thread as well. http://androidforums.com/motorola-triumph/355638-moto-triumph-thailand.html

    Supposedly according to a thread I was reading on a VM forum:

    Triumph looks exactly like Huawei (X6?)
    Motorola doesnt make any 4.1" phones
    Motorola doesnt make any qualcom CPU phones (perhaps some old ones but nothing up to date)
    Specs match perfectly.

    A lot of people say well that Huawei is a GSM so it can possibly be Triumph, but it doesn't take a genius to know changing the radio in a phone model is a common occurrence and easily done.

    Also from what I read that Huawei has a reputation for poor quality, slow and laggy, etc. I've also noticed in some Triumph videos it seems laggy, and I think at least one preview mentioned it too.

    Bottom line I think it's pretty certain this is a rebadged Huawei. All is not lost, perhaps Motorola will insist on enough quality control that it's still a decent phone, but I'm definitely waiting on many reviews/user opinions before jumping in now.

    Also I heard a rumor on that same board that a "real" Motorola phone will be coming to VM eventually, perhaps in Q1 2012. So if this is junk, likely better phones will come eventually.

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  2. RoboMonkey

    RoboMonkey Well-Known Member

    Thanks.
    I'm still getting it. :)
  3. kc3

    kc3 Well-Known Member

    idk if I quiet believe that, I mean it's been pretty reputable sources showing the Motorola Triumph, honestly it's a very typical look so I can imagine multiple phones looking similar. lol unless Motorola purchased this idk. Plus if you look at a picture of a Triumph and this phone there are differences, only similarity with the style is the basic shape. Though specs are similar.
  4. Skratte

    Skratte Well-Known Member

    The phone has Motorola on the front, it's a Motorola phone.
    'Nuff said.
    MTdude, JWhipple, rk_pr0t0c0l and 4 others like this.
  5. OverBoard

    OverBoard Well-Known Member

    It is very common for large manufacturers to do this like what Motorola and Huawei are doing.

    One very good example is Foxconn, who actually makes the iPad for Apple.

    Just because Huawei 'makes' the Triumphant does not automagically make it a bad phone.

    I would at least wait until the reviews come out, once the phone is 'in the wild'.
  6. android_kitty

    android_kitty Well-Known Member

    i hope phandroid gets one soon so we can see a real review!
  7. syadasti

    syadasti Member

    As its mentioned above, the factory that makes the phone is usually not the company that designs it. And the design of the radio system is huge if they switch from a Huawei GSM design to a Motorola CDMA. Motorola designs some of the best in the industry.
  8. shark974

    shark974 Well-Known Member

    DUH

    If it's basically the same phone though thats not good.
  9. shark974

    shark974 Well-Known Member

    DUH

    This looks like a Hauwei phone though, with a motorola name on it.
  10. syadasti

    syadasti Member

    Its not the same as I said - newer revision, different chipset, and different radio system. Someone pieced it together and it was easy to find with Google:

  11. kc3

    kc3 Well-Known Member

    I say so as long as the price reflects the quality be it high quality or low, who cares? :) working with another company could be to lower the price
  12. ScottColbert

    ScottColbert Well-Known Member

    What it looks like and what it is are not the same thing. Simply because you think its Hauwei based on some article doesn't make it so, esp. when there's lots of other info debunking that.
  13. MrTweaker

    MrTweaker Well-Known Member

    Don't believe FUD.
  14. Gmash

    Gmash Well-Known Member

    Ok. The Huawei x6 is NOT a low quality phone. Btw, Huawei has been making products for Motorola and putting their name on it for years. Huawei is one of the biggest tech companies in the world, but until recently they have made products for other companies and things like professional network equipment. Yes, their first few phones have been low end devices, but they are fantastic value for the money. Phones like the x6/Ascend x and the upcoming Huawei Glory (google it) are high end devices for good prices, and if you don't want to buy the Triumph because it may be a re-branded x6 then stick with the overpriced POS phones virgin is selling now.
    Look up some youtube videos of the Huawei ideos x6/u9000. It's a really nice phone. p.s. Gingerbread is already out for it in the other parts of the world-soon for the U.S. Ascend x.
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  15. shark974

    shark974 Well-Known Member


    There's no info debunking it.

    Just because it has a different radio (GSM vs CDMA etc) means nothing. Are you familiar with the Samsung Galaxy S? The SAME PHONE is on every major carrier. It's called the Captivate on ATT with a GSM radio, it's called the Fascinate, the Vibrant, and the Epic 4G on the other carriers. The Epic 4 G even has a slide out keyboard. These all have minor variations and different radios but they're all the SAME PHONE at heart.

    The info "syadasti" googled, is likely correct too.

    Another clue is this phone is 299 off contract. Motorola's, Samsung's, HTC etc run at least 449-649 for a phone with similar specs as this off contract.

    I get the feeling this thread is a bunch of little kids, thrilled to see a cool looking phone on their prepaid service, and not wanting to hear anything bad about it. Which is fine too a point.

    The point is this is a rebadged Huawei, period. I have a feeling it might fit the needs of kids on a prepaid service just fine, but I also suspect it will have some quality issues compared to a "true" high end phone such as a Motorola, Samsung, etc.

    Personally I will wait for a lot of reviews and user impressions before I would consider this phone. But then again, I'm a 36 year old man looking to maybe cut a cell phone bill down, not a kid.
    Gmash likes this.
  16. 903Tex

    903Tex Well-Known Member

    Lol! quality material from a prepaid service? My optimus v no different than any evo or any OTHER phone on the market now far as build quality. For 300 dollars what do you except??? My problem with this phone is that MOTOROLA and ENCRYPTED locked bootloader. Things have to happen before i drop the cash:

    ' No encrypted locked bootloader(if it locked bootloader adb fastboot oem unlock take cares of that)
    ' Motorola release it sources more openly
    ' And some Devs take notice to this phone (CM7 and MIUI anybody???)

    If this can be achieved on the triumph(cross fingers it will) Then Virgin has me for 300!

    No matter how you look at it. Spec wise what phone can you get prepaid(and contract in some cases) with the specs it has and pay 25,40,60 a month? Not trying to clown on you, but mostly for the prepaid you gotta lose something to gain more. If you were to ask me a year ago if this kind of phone would come out on Virgin Mobile? I would laugh and called you a fool. Now Att, verizon, need to come with better prepaid plans cause Virgin about to get alot of folks on their company with this phone.
  17. Gmash

    Gmash Well-Known Member

    I don't think the bootloader will be encrypted on this phone. I have no inside information or anything, it's just my guess. For one thing, Moto has said they will stop encrypting them, and are already unlocking the Atrix. Also, it just doesn't seem to make sense to put vanilla Android on it then lock it down. Again, just my feeling.
    I know some devs will definitely want to work on this phone. (assuming it's not encrypted of course). The guys at prepaidandroids.org are already checking it out.
  18. Gmash

    Gmash Well-Known Member

    sorry. Double posted somehow:confused:
  19. MrTweaker

    MrTweaker Well-Known Member

    I have a son who is 29 and I was well into my 20's when he was born... I lon't mind spending money on the phone, but I refuse to waste money on an expensive plan that just burns money month after month. That's why I never bought an Iphone. This will do me fine.

    I suspect the phone will be advertised initially with a discount, will sell out quickly, then be re-priced $50 higher, following the pattern of the Optimus V.
  20. cutterjohn

    cutterjohn Well-Known Member

    Nope, not the same at all. Aple does ALL of the development and engineering work and THEN they utilize various OEMs to actually manufacture their devices. Why? Simple. They don't have to go through the trouble and expense of maintaining their own manufacturing facilities. As a matter of FACT a LARGE number of "big" companies do this nowadays, and in some cases they actually do use products designed by an OEM(ODM in this case) and re-badge it. It's how Clevo/Sager/etc. work.

    Also, I truly believe that Motorola would NEVER re-badge a third party phone when they have their own mobile division already. It just doesn't make any sense financially or otherwise.
  21. compulady5

    compulady5 Well-Known Member

    What I see that no one has mentioned yet........ Has anyone thought that maybe, just maybe, retailers of those "on contract" phones sell them for 400 and up because there's a mark up or perhaps those phone manufacturers have a set price they're "restricted" to selling phones outright for?
  22. syadasti

    syadasti Member

    The Iphone 4 uses a Samsung processor rebadged as an A4 - its been this way from the beginning for Apple and only changed slightly with them buying the other company (Intrinsity) that helped in designing their processors. Even the current A5 in the iPad 2 was designed mostly with Samsung's expertise - not Apple's. Think different, think again.

    Samsung Wave features iPhone 4's A4 Processor

    http://www.ubmtechinsights.com/uploadedFiles/Apple%20A4%20vs%20SEC%20S5PC110A01.pdf

    http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=cpu&id=a40000&c=samsung-intrinsity_apple_a4_s5pc110a01

    Its pretty funny that Apple is trying to sue Samsung when they are the people behind the processors that run their devices - without Samsung they'd be nothing.
    Gmash likes this.
  23. soundping

    soundping Well-Known Member

    @ syadasti

    Apple looks like a rabid dog attacking everybody around them.
  24. syadasti

    syadasti Member

    Hopefully it backfires on Apple's Samsung suit too. Nokia won against them - now Apple has to pay them for ripping off Nokia innovation.

    Another bonus for Nokia is that their factories aren't secret slave camps where the workers frequently commit suicide.

    YouTube - ‪The Nokia N97 being assembled at the factory‬‏
  25. kc3

    kc3 Well-Known Member

    I think the assumption that this thread is full of little kids is a load of crap, I'm not older but I'm 23, young but not a little kid. I just don't believe there is any real justification to say that it's this other phone, just because one company made a cheap phone with good specs does it mean another company can't? And to be honest, who cares as long as the price reflects this?

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