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Camera (and motion video) talk - the Ultrapixel and more (tips/discussion)Support

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  1. novox77

    novox77 Leeeroy Jennnkinnns! VIP Member

    But I do have to say that my experience with HTC cameras was spot on with what that Verge guy was saying. He incorrectly uses the term "washed out" when describing the white hazy look that HTC cameras often produce. Basically it's an artifact of glare. Anyone who's ever used a coated vs non-coated filter in front of an SLR lens will recognize this. Kinda wish more manufacturers would start using coated glass. It will make a big difference. But coated glass does cost more... about 2x than non-coated.

    You can somewhat correct this with pre-processing by bumping up the contrast (or some combo of contrast and exposure adjustment), but often these adjustments will wreck photos taken under darker light conditions, so you're constantly adjusting the settings.

    My wife has an iPhone 4s, and it does take very good photos. Under low light however, it also take bad photos quite often. But you know, all bets are off in low-light conditions, even with my Canon 5D, unless you have super steady hands or a tripod. But even this won't help if your subject is moving.

    I do agree that the person taking the shots is much more important than the camera. Based on this review, I don't think any of the cameras are that much more outstanding than the next. They are all pretty darn good for what they are. The difference will be how you frame your shot and how you utilize the available light you have.

    BTW, the correct definition of "washed out" is when the photo is overexposed to the point that the details in the bright areas are lost and become pure white. Sometimes this is desired if it's detail in the shadows you are after. If a photo appears brighter than it should but doesn't experience the clipping in the brights, it's just "overexposed."

  2. CafeKampuchia

    CafeKampuchia Well-Known Member

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  3. BillyODU

    BillyODU Well-Known Member

    Cool article, but its just one article. I'm not about to claim a camera "killing" another one with just one review. I'm not a "phone photographer" my any means, so a camera on a phone means squat to me personally, though i use my EVO camera, if the photo is not blurry upon a 1 second observation by myself, then its an awesome picture :)

    I am finally happy to see, however, a review comparing the two phones side by side.. and this one is 11 pages long.. awesome find.
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  4. CafeKampuchia

    CafeKampuchia Well-Known Member

    "Kills it" is more my assessment after seeing the pictures myself and utter lack of detail evident in what the One captured.
  5. toolwarrior

    toolwarrior Well-Known Member

    Unfortunately, I have to agree. While this is just one article, we can't ignore that it is a well done article that is in depth and thorough. The article did seem a little bias to me (in favor of the GS4), but that is just my opinion based on the tone of the article. The jury is still out on my quest for the next best smartphone. But this article does cause me to waver a bit now. I was solid on the ONE.
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  6. Hadron

    Hadron Well-Known Member Contributor

  7. Hadron

    Hadron Well-Known Member Contributor

    The field of view difference between the One and the S4 is quite striking.
  8. Hadron

    Hadron Well-Known Member Contributor

    The trick with colour comparisons is knowing what the original scene actually looked like, so that you can tell which is more accurate. With the samples shown it looks like the 920 has corrected more for the white balance on the indoor shots, I think is probably too warm in some of the others, but without being there I cannot be certain which is more accurate.

    Of course colours are also a matter of taste. Many people prefer slightly warm and over-saturated, and manufacturers are going to be aware of this.

    Edit: came across another comparison here, this time from PhoneArena: http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Samsung-Galaxy-S4-vs-HTC-One_id3282. The camera comparison is on page 3. The shots are all outdoor, so don't really tell us much about low light.
  9. cozins17

    cozins17 Well-Known Member

    Wow, review really condemns htc one! Hoping mine turns up today, will be interesting to see what pictures are like! !

    Anyone with the One already comment on the review & pictures?? Are they that bad?
  10. TheSuper

    TheSuper Well-Known Member

  11. EarlyMon

    EarlyMon The PearlyMon Moderator

    This reinforces what I said earlier in this thread before any reviews hit - expect the One software to lose detail due to their compression software, expect a root solution to fix that just like happened on the One X.

    HTC addressing this so people don't have to root to solve that is just icing on the cake for rooters and salvation for non-rooters.

    I'd also point out that none of that addressed video, another area benefiting from a selection of bit rates (just as a choice for level of compression is best).
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  12. CafeKampuchia

    CafeKampuchia Well-Known Member

    But that will not change the fact that it's 4mp camera isn't capturing as much detail as an 8 or 13mp camera.

    BTW, here's a good article on getting the most out of the One's hardware:

    HTC One camera tips: How to take better pictures | Android Central
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  13. EarlyMon

    EarlyMon The PearlyMon Moderator

    When perceiving details, the eye goes to color saturation and contrast first, dpi resolution last.

    Inescapable eye-brain physics and why I'd stack a good 3.2 MP point and shoot (larger sensor) against any of the phone wunderkind cameras and win for overall quality.

    The megapixel myth is just that. ;)

    If you capture more pixels and think that is the critical factor in final perceived detail, it's like saying that a Rubik's cube is solved because you have just one side all the same color.

    I still maintain that unless HTC gets it right, rooting and getting rid of the compression is needed to get the most out of an HTC camera.
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  14. CafeKampuchia

    CafeKampuchia Well-Known Member

    That's all fine and good until you decide to crop a picture. Then megapixels suddenly start mattering. Besides, I don't think it's really been proven that HTC's UltraPixel strategy is really producing better results, at least not consistently.
  15. EarlyMon

    EarlyMon The PearlyMon Moderator


    If it fails, I've always got my old 3.2 MP Olympus. :smokingsomb:
  16. toad6386

    toad6386 Well-Known Member

    By my not being much of a shutterbug, the Zoe thing has about got me hooked ;), and know the MP myth is just that. But I understand and can see where Cafe and Novox are coming from, too.
    *Putting on my Amazing Carnac turban* I predict that before too long, will start hearing more from the physical film crowd about the lack of 'nuance' in any digital pic, much like you have the vinyl record folks now.
    When ANYTHING gets processed, it cannot, by definition, remain in its true unadulterated, original form, and a certain amount of give and take is required. I don't care how many or of what flavor mega-pixels there are, there's going to someone that says "it just doesn't look 'right.'" Hence why some like the hues of the superamoled over SLCD3, etc.
    The pics I take are my memories, and regardless of how I take them, or with what, are usually clearer than the ones in my head, so just about ANY camera would work for me :D But again, I also understand the points of the true photogs, and value their opinions. :) Thanks!
  17. EarlyMon

    EarlyMon The PearlyMon Moderator

    The best camera is the one you're carrying when you need to take a picture.
  18. sikclown

    sikclown Well-Known Member

    Agreed. I use my phone for those times when I don't want to carry a dedicated camera but for important occasions nothing can compare to a dedicated Camera. Living in New Orleans there are a lot of tests, parades, bar nights/days, etc where carrying a camera just isn't convenient and those shots just end up on Facebook or Instagram so most phone cameras are more than enough to handle the task; Not to mention generally the photographer has had a libation or two so they aren't the greatest shots anyway. I am most interested in the One's low light shots as the bulk of mine tend to be in these situations.
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  19. Tommydaniel

    Tommydaniel Well-Known Member

    That's an update that's already came and passed. Phandroid updated their post about it. There is no incoming update.
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  20. EarlyMon

    EarlyMon The PearlyMon Moderator

    Yep, I was commenting in reference to that - my point was - none of the blogs that have done their shoot-outs are going to go back and take that into account.

    At least one has a detailed review of the One with pre-release software and the reviewer came right out and erroneously said, don't expect anything to change. While his same org, another reviewer, did a comparison and came to all sorts of conclusions, without stating what he had at all.

    My point isn't "boo hoo, HTC lost" - my point is that people are going to be trusting untrustworthy review results as consumers.

    What does it mean - "update?" It means that the maker has their opinion of what the new revision, but we may have ours.

    Regardless of brand, I have no trust in these early reviews. I can point GNex and various Samsung threads for phone releases where users found better results after updates from initial release, and I know that's been my consistent experience with HTC.

    They don't wait until the platforms are stable to review. We don't pay them. They live on clicky advertising. They'll crank out anything, most of it ridiculous imo, and call it a "test" - because, hey - blog writer=qualified tester.

    That's my beef.

    By design, the One has a larger sensor with larger pixels than others. It will gather more light with less noise at the hardware level at the expense of actual dots, and with an F/2.0 aperature, it will have less depth of field than other cameras - those are the hardware tradeoffs and facts.

    I don't see fair reviews trying various custom exposure settings. If you're outside, take a picture, and it's crappy, thanks to the magic of immediate feedback with a digital camera, there are 343 exposure adjustments on top of various additional adjustments for ISO and white balance.

    The adjustments possible with any modern Android will number over a thousand for many of the pictures used in the so-called tests.

    Which - are all done by taking default snaps and going,
    The reviews tell of possibilities, and now we're past that into the exciting horse-race era - which - disgusts me to no end, because now as far as I'm concerned, we might as well be asking Elvis' ghost which is better.

    Just spent an hour comparing photos with a pal with an SGS3 vs my LTEvo. We had a blast, and found a lot to like - and criticism in agreement - about each other's setups.

    I expect that the One and SGS4 this year is better than last year's models because - it's this year. And there will be differences.

    I've lived in film too long, I guess. :rofl:
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  21. TheSuper

    TheSuper Well-Known Member

    Based on that iFixit guide the HTC One main camera sensor has optical image stabilisation (gyroscope). Is that new to HTC phones?
  22. EarlyMon

    EarlyMon The PearlyMon Moderator

  23. TheSuper

    TheSuper Well-Known Member

    The HTC One was given to a couple of people and this is what was achieved. Quite impressive really.

    UltraPixel Photography with the New HTC One — HTC Blog

    HTC need to promote more of this kind of thing and make a big deal about it! Everyone's saying the camera sucks, but in actual fact it doesn't. Not in the slightest.
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  24. toad6386

    toad6386 Well-Known Member

    That's awsONE!!!:laugh:

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