Apologies for the creation of a new and probably unnecessary post.. Basically I tried to debrand my desire today (I'm on Orange, sick of the obvious..). Everything initially seemed to go fine, using version 1.15.405.3, but when I tried to use wifi to do the downloads, I had trouble. It doesn't seem to be the normal trouble however, the connection comes up and everything, but when I try to connect it just says 'remembered' and never connects me. Alongside this, my SIM no longer works on this version, so I can't download an update through that. I decided to update to version 2.10.405.2, no luck here, keep getting error 170. any help on getting this updated, fixing the wifi or updating to 2.10.405.2 would be greatly appreciated!