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Discipline vs Child Abuse

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  1. DeepEmissions

    DeepEmissions VIP Member VIP Member

    Whats goin on guys? Been gone for a minute and I'd like to start a topic for discussion, and hopefully not shoot myself in the foot in the process.

    Okay, so... I don't wanna start a war here but I must ask my fellow community this question:

    Do you believe there is a difference in Discipline (in the context of a major offence, issuing a few swats on the butt and a lecture) and Child Abuse (striking /hitting a child on any part of the body with the intent to inflict harm.)

    Now let that stew as I tell you why/how this got brought up.

    I have a Facebook page (GASP!) and it just so happens the feed on the right hand side of the page, the one that updates every 15 seconds or so, I see one of my friends posted a link as a comment to a picture. Here's the Picture:
    Abuse vs Discipline.jpg

    And here is the link: https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/184894.pdf

    So after seeing the picture and reading the short PDF article, I was inclined to say something about that.

    His response:

    My Response:

    His retort:

    At this point, its obvious he's not really arguing my statements, just kinda repeating his views.

    My response:

    His response:

    That pretty much ended the discussion between he and I.
    I have about 200+ friends on my friends list and I gladly shared this picture on my timeline with one a word title "Agreed."

    Thus far, those who have responded/liked the picture were also in agreements with me.
    So, maybe with a bigger audience than just my Facebook friends, I ask you fellow users and abusers of Android, what is your take on the picture?
    How do you feel about a good swat on the butt and a lecture vs sitting in a corner for 10 minutes as Discipline?

    Please be open and respect every ones own individual opinions.
    This is meant to discuss and think, not yell and hate.

  2. scottmog

    scottmog Active Member

    great discussion. I feel that the few times I got hit definitely shocked me enough to make me behave. I would never use a spoon, belt or something but pretty much every kid deserves a smack to keep them in lines sometimes.
  3. zuben el genub

    zuben el genub Well-Known Member

    There is true violence that kids do need protection from - but when a kid can call Child Protective Services and try to get parents busted since they won't or can't get him an Ipad, then something is totally wrong with values.

    We got swatted, told no if we asked for something we didn't deserve or parents couldn't afford and most of our generation are still here and productive. We haven't turned into psychopaths since we were disciplined.

    Kids need to learn "You can't always get what you want" and you are not "entitled" to some of it, either.

    Some don't need to spank. I had a neighbor who could quell a riot just by saying "Now, people."
    She was the exception rather than the rule.
  4. DeepEmissions

    DeepEmissions VIP Member VIP Member

    I agree! Ya know sometimes I watch my friends use what I call "soft reinforcement" and I can sit there and constantly watch it blow up in their face every time.

    It's not so much striking fear into your child its striking respect. So they know when you say something, there could be consequences if they do not respect what you say and mind you.

    I would never slap or hit a child, but a few swats on the bottom, sometimes, is needed.
  5. wyndslash

    wyndslash Well-Known Member

    Me and my siblings all got spanked lol.
  6. wyndslash

    wyndslash Well-Known Member

    Man, if my kid did that, I'd happily let child services have him. Let him stew and panic for a while lol
  7. DeepEmissions

    DeepEmissions VIP Member VIP Member

    LOL!!! Right! U wanna call em, go right ahead... you'll regret it soon.
  8. wyndslash

    wyndslash Well-Known Member

    Not me. My kid. Read my post again:D

    It's all a hypothetical situation though. I'm not sure I want to have kids in this day and age. My cousin is pretty good at discipline though. He just taps his belt and his kid behaves:D

    Still, I'm in an Asian country where discipline is looked favorably upon
  9. DeepEmissions

    DeepEmissions VIP Member VIP Member

    Sorry I meant that in the context of you saying that to your child "you wanna call em, go ahead."
  10. pakrat57

    pakrat57 Member

    I was raised to understand that there were consequences (whoopins) to be paid if I got too far out of line. Sometimes a lecture works, other times a spanking is needed. Kids need to learn right from wrong and sometimes a lecture doesn't convey how wrong they were. I'm glad for the spankings as it kept me from receiving adult consequences such as jail.
  11. wyndslash

    wyndslash Well-Known Member

    I think I was the one who misread:D
  12. DeepEmissions

    DeepEmissions VIP Member VIP Member

    LOL no problem, I should of been more clear.
  13. DeepEmissions

    DeepEmissions VIP Member VIP Member

    I was raised the same way, people call it old school and too harsh, well I'm sorry but it worked for me, so I will raise my child the same way.

    Yea I raised a little hell back in the day, but I quickly realized that the spankings I got were far outweighed by the punishment I could receive as an adult.
  14. efin

    efin New Member

    I got spanked as a kid, definitely far fewer times than I deserved. But, with that punishment came direction from my parents about obedience and respect for others, elders and the like, something lacking in our society now. Commercials on Television and radio make the parents / male figures out to be completed idiots and the children out to be the genius'. God help us when they rule the world...
  15. wyndslash

    wyndslash Well-Known Member

    that's true. i absolutely hated it when my parents spanked me (of course, lol), but seeing the kids now and how i could have turned out like them...
  16. damewolf13

    damewolf13 live~laugh~love VIP Member

    This is such a hot issue, because who decides what is the right amount of spanking/hitting? Quite often, the problem comes from the parents (who have issues of their own, sometimes passed on by their parents) who don't recognize where to draw the line on what they call punishment. It seems appropriate to them at the time, in their anger, but quite often is really abusive behavior, when looked at by someone objectively.
  17. kevincott

    kevincott Well-Known Member Contributor

    I was in a long term relationship with a nice girl that did not discipline her children, long story there.

    Her kindergarten son ran across the room and punched me in anger (after many other incidents) and she watched, did nothing.

    I lifted the child to my face and explained the situation to him (she watched), from that point on he had respect for me and was my constant companion.

    Some times a child needs to be 'woken up' and it doesn't necessarily take violence.
  18. Bob Maxey

    Bob Maxey Well-Known Member

    Discipline and child abuse are interchangeable these days.

    If you are an old fart like me, a swat across the arse; a spanking, we once called it was not child abuse. These days, even touching a child is abuse as far as some people are concerned.

    Bad kids were once punished. Now you cannot swat a kid for fear of being hauled first to jail, then to court.
  19. pakrat57

    pakrat57 Member

    You're right, I always started with a lecture first. If that didn't work then came the spankings. Luckily for me my son hated my lectures so bad that although he got spanked, it was rare :rolleyes:.
  20. Kamau

    Kamau Well-Known Member

    Let me tell you all something.
    The Mrs & myself lost our kids for almost a year because of whipping ones ass when he got out of line. But long story short, we have told those people that when our children get too far out, we will whoop that ass again because they are OUR children, and we will. CPS does not scare me, nor will they tell me how to raise my children, or when/how I punish them. They put not one bite of food on our table, paid one light bill, and surely has not taken one of them to the doctor when they needed it it. They attended no school meeting, stayed up all night when one was afraid of the dark or had a nightmare, or even said I love you to any of them. We have raised them, cared for them and loved them every day, and for them to think they was gonna tell us anything when it came to them is way out in left field. We fought tooth & nail to get them back, and will do it again if needed.
    I am fighting a war between them and the streets. If I lose, then the streets will win them, and THAT IS NOT AN OPTION. The Streets will not claim my children, and I will fight whoever gets in my way, with words, pen & paper, or anything else necessary to keep them safe. We are raising boys to be responsible men. And if that means I have to tear off in that ass sometimes, it is what it is..
  21. kool kat2

    kool kat2 Well-Known Member

    Each kid is different and each kid will require different punishments to understand. There is a line between punishment and child abuse. The law doesn't see it that way. Its all child abuse. I was spanked a handful of times. I will spank when necessary.
  22. cobretti

    cobretti Well-Known Member

    They already do. Haven't you seen them freaking out on the floor at the grocery store? One of Satan's best weapons now is the whole "P.C" movement. Makes me puke.
  23. Gmash

    Gmash Well-Known Member

    I'm surprised this hasn't been moved to politics & current affairs yet.

    I'm not against spanking, I had a few and never thought twice about it, but who decides how much is too much? You can say "the parents do", but that leaves a lot of kids who really are abused to fend for themselves. I don't know the answer, just raising another point of view.
  24. iowabowtech

    iowabowtech root@android:/ #

    I would agree, I think the Politics And Current Affairs Forum may be more suitable. Thread moved.

    Moving forward, I'd also like to ask everyone to use their best judgement and keep things within site rules. Clearly this is a subject where strong opinions are likely. Thanks everyone. :)
  25. Bob Maxey

    Bob Maxey Well-Known Member

    Some parents need to be beat half to death and few need the full Monty. Some parents must be sterilized or neutered, too.

    Some kids need their behind paddled until they blister.

    Other parents need praise and respect for raising respectful and decent kids and some kids need to be sent to the iron mines for ten years of back breaking labor and only gruel for lunch.

    All I know is you dam kids keep the hell off of my lawn. Dam whippersnappers . . . I tell you what.

    Respect My Authoritah! - YouTube

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