Does Android update too often?


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  1. mbell75

    mbell75 Banned This Topic's Starter

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    I am beginning to think so. What if MS had a new version of Windows every 4 months and you had to wait for whoever makes your computer to get it tested and delivered to you so it worked with your computer? Hate to say it, but with new Android releases every 4-6 months, there is no way any carrier will be able to keep up and keep their older phones updated. This will probably force people who need each and every update into buying a nexus one. I think Google needs to set some type of schedule, like an update every 6 months. 2.5 in summer than 3.0 end of the year, 3.1 summer of 2011 etc...Just a thought.
     

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  2. kennyidaho

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    Wow people are typically complaining about devices of all types NOT being updated regularly enough. Now you are complaining about it being updated to often?

    You know I think I've seen you posting things against updates before what's the deal?

    Schedules are nice but schedules are very very hard to keep. The amount of work that must go into these types of things are difficult to quantify in terms of time. I'll use the linux distribution of Ubuntu for example. Canonical committed to a 6 month rolling release and they have stuck to it. However users - including myself - are really starting to get annoyed because each new release seems to be a little buggier then the last. I personally blame the release cycle. They are committed to have an update out the door and start taking short cuts to ensure they hit that deadline. They have a major advantage though - they can push fixes down the pipe as updates.

    Mind you we still have no idea how fast even the Nexus One will get upgrades - it's all speculation at this point.
     
  3. Bill

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    Google needs to update as much as they possibly can. Why do the phone manufacturers have to keep up? Which they are not. They are the pnes that need to be on a schedule.

    -Bill
     
  4. Eaglesfan9106

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    that could be googles plan though to make everyone buy there phone and because u have their phone u get the update the quickest idk just a though take it as u will
     
  5. mbell75

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    Of course thats Goggle's plan whether they admit it or not. They are frustrated with carriers and manufacturers taking their sweet time with updates. Plus, making some money off the N1 doesnt hurt either.

    I am not saying wait 6 months for every update, just the major ones. If you want to have something like a 2.5.1 and a 2.5.2 to address certain things, thats fine. A new OS update every 3-4 months is way too soon for everyone to keep up with and carriers wont be able to keep up and that would spell BIG trouble for Android.
     
  6. kennyidaho

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    To buy who's phone? HTC's?
     
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    Scince when were the carriers "supposed to update" their phones, the carriers are selling the phones as is and if you are buying it then they dont need to make sure its up to the most current. Other than bug fixes they dont NEED to update anything. People have came to expect our carriers who are providing SERVICE to make sure that the phones are allways to date. We dont deserve anything other than service from them.

    I personally think HTC/Sprint are doing a good job supporting our phone, you have to factor in htc updating to a new kernel and porting an OS on top of that, and then Sprint tesing out both as the update their programs/Srevice to work on them! They're doing a great job with the whining and constant complaining of people who continue to want MORE!
     
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    Its not HTC's phone, its Googles. HTC just builds the hardware.
     
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    Actually it is htc's phone.
    The hardware is the phone itself.
    Google owns the software.
    Android is the software.

    To your logic the droid, Eris, and Moment are also Googles phones. If you call google for support they will give you Moto's, Sammy's, and HtC's number
     
  10. mbell75

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    Do I really have to spell it out? :rolleyes: You have to go THRU Google to buy the N1, that is the ONLY way to get it. It is GOOGLES phone. You can get the Droid, Eris and Moment at any retail outlet from its carrier.
     
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    sry, i misread, i didnt know you were talking about the n1, disregard my last post
     
  12. mattcoz

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    But that's the state of the market. Customers want more, and if the carriers don't want to lose us they'll have to give us what we want.
     
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    Personally I think Google should spin off Android into its own separate company. Android will manufacture their own phones and software, license them to cellular companies, while controlling the phones software updates so there is no lag time for updates across separate carriers. Probably a lot Im missing here but Im thinking of Android in the same sense as Apple, whereas you can go to an "android" store, buy your phone,resolve issues or get updates and whatnot. No reason google cant start producing their own computers as well just like apple. Like I said Im sure there is a lot Iam missing but this rivalry surely has a ways to go.
     
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    Yes but the situation is much more complex then that.

    It truly seems like Google is acting as more of a reseller of the device. See Google does not really "support" the device yes even that new number they just released seems to be for "order" related concerns only. Want technical support with the phone you have to call HTC, want technical support with the service you need to call T-Mobile (or whom ever your provider is). You agree to these support terms when you purchase the phone. Heck even if you decide to return the device within the 14 day window you return it to HTC not Google.


    Oh yes you say but Google is charging a ETF if you cancel out of a subsidized plan. However most other 3rd party retailers who add additional discounts to devices do this as well - nothing new there. I recently signed up for Verizon service and purchased two Droids through Amazon and if I cancel with Verizon within 181 days Amazon charges me a fee as well to recover the cost of the subsidy. Does this mean that I purchased a Amazon Droid?

    Now the issue is confusing and I am not debating that - Google is the only sales channel for the device at the moment and Google does own the rights to the Nexus One name. Even more confusing is they will be selling other Android devices through other carriers and other manufactures through this same channel.

    I am sure everyone gets a cut of the profit but when it really comes down to it the phone is a HTC phone, HTC pretty much handles everything after the sale.
     
  15. kennyidaho

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    That's not the point of Android.
     
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    I like the updates all the time. It keeps you on your toes. iPhone users tell me they often get bored because Apple takes way to long to create an update, and by time they do, there is already another phone (normally android) that does that feature. This is also a good marketing ploy because those who must have the newest update will keep buying new phones as soon as they are eligible. Also keeps them in the news.
     
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    Of course it isnt now, but Iam saying it could be.
     
  18. romeosidvicious

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    Well there is a lot you are missing. First and foremost Android isn't just for phones. Secondly it is open source. Those things combined preclude what you are suggesting. Apple can do it because their OS and hardware are proprietary. Google can't because their OS isn't proprietary which means anyone can build a phone and put Android on it and Google can't stop them. They can stop them from using "With Google" and some specific apps (see Cyanogen's mod) but the OS itself is open source. Google doesn't get any money from the OS and the N1 is likely planned as a loss leader. The model wouldn't work at all for Google.
     
  19. jmcnicho

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    Exactly, since its not just for phones, Google could move into other hardware development (such as computers, MP3 players etc). They certainly have the capital to do so. But Im pretty sure that Google likes how it is currently structured as evidenced by its already great success. I still understand why it wouldnt work but think its a cool idea in theory. Would be nice to have another alternative company similar to Apple.
     
  20. romeosidvicious

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    It wouldn't be cool IMO. We don't need another locked down proprietary vendor. There is enough of those already. The best part of Android in the openness. Give it an Apple model and that has to go away by definition. The only reason Android is where it is is due to the open nature of the OS.
     
  21. cooolone2

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    MBELL... I'm beginning to get the idea that you're a TROLL here... Look, here is another UPDATE post (2.1) in disguise... a VEILED diatribe, but interesting twist considering your other threads have been regarding the LACK of updates, or waiting for it, or whatever.Then you take a back seat as the ensuing banter continues.

    I actually like the idea of what Google did with the N1 and are challenging the carriers at their own game. The carriers didn't take to kindly to it (see LACK of support for phone with regard to carrier NETWORK issues), but to say that too often updates is a bad thing??? This is revolutionary!?!?! Rather... I think ridiculous.

    Anyway...
     

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