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  1. 1981

    1981 Well-Known Member This Topic's Starter

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    Hey,
    If we order HTC Desire to India from one of the online retailers, we dont need to pay the VAT, rite? Just the handset price+shipping charges? Has anybody done that? Thank you.
     

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    weirdNumber Well-Known Member

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    Depends on the retailer. You may have to pay the VAT and then claim it back from HMRC. You would need a VAT receipt with the VAT number of the retailer you purchased it from.
    If it's an international order the retailer might deduct the VAT at point of sale. Just check with them first.
     
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    Imported goods are subject to vat and excise duty. This will be calculated by customs on arrival into the country
     
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    1981 Well-Known Member This Topic's Starter

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    Contacted Clove. They say they would charge only the price of the order and shipping charges. also that there might be customs charges depending if its a courier. they werent sure about that though. I am confused whether to go for this option. whether I would have to pay hidden extra charges like these at the end
     
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    You will definitely have to pay extra, I don't know the excise duty % but 17.5% vat plus that. Unless you get VERY lucky and slip through the net
     
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    weirdNumber Well-Known Member

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    Why would you pay duty + the 17.5% VAT?
    If he is purchasing from the UK (I assume he is purchasing from the UK because he mentions Clove) and shipping to India then the purchase is subject to zero rate VAT. The only duties to pay would be import duties imposed by customs in India.
    I know some electronics imported to India for personal use can be zero rated but its most likely going to be around 5% for mobile phones but could also be around 12.5% depending on the region. You should check with Indian customs for the exact rate though.

    If it is being shipped by courier (UPS, Fed-Ex etc.) then it won't slip through the net as they will declare its value.
     
  7. 1981

    1981 Well-Known Member This Topic's Starter

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    Thank you guys.
    Yes 'VAT' neednt be paid to delivery in India, just the customs charges according to the current calculations. I guess it would all come round to the same amount. 17.5%VAT(within UK)+local shipping = Int shipping charges+watever customs charges.
    So I feel its better to get it delivered in the UK itself and then send it with someone travelling to India. atleast incase of a faulty delivery, it could be sent back without much expense within the 7day period itself as mentioned in the site.
    Also, whats this 'Int Signed Mail'. Is it courier service. Any chance of it slipping through the net? unlike Fed-ex as you mentioned.
     
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    weirdNumber Well-Known Member

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    If you have it delivered to the UK then have friends or family ship it to the UK as though they were sending a gift then there is the chance that customs will not request that you pay local taxes on it. That isn't guaranteed so you could end up paying two lots of tax on it, or having your items seized or returned in the worse case scenario if you don't correctly declare them.
    International signed for mail is delivery by Royal Mail that requires a signature on delivery and may require you to state the nature and the value of the item being shipped and the reason for being shipped.
    The problem with the international signed for service is that it does not let you purchase extra compensation cover for mobile phones, so the handset will only be insured for the value of 100 times the price of a first class stamp.

    If you need to declare the item then its probably best to post it as a wrapped gift (inside whatever package Royal Mail gives you). But again this depends on Indian customs.

    In my experience when receiving goods in the UK from international destinations the only time customs has bothered me for import charges is when they have been sent by one of the big couriers, but it is probably down to luck and how busy the post office is.
    All I would say is account for the possible extra charges and decide if think it is worth it.
    Having it delivered in the UK so you can return it under the distance selling regulations if there is a problem is probably a sensible idea.

    As a side note it is possible to have the item delivered within the UK and not pay VAT if the supplier can prove (and hence you must prove to them) that the item is going to leave the EC. The burden of proof is very high and so this would be extremely impractical for you I think.
     
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    Ah my bad, I read the original post wrong, thought it was getting shipped to the UK :eek:
     
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    1981 Well-Known Member This Topic's Starter

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    In 'Int signed Mail'- the handset will only be insured for the value of 100 times the price of a first class stamp? How much would that amount be. Is it too less compared to other couriers. Does Insurance mean that I would get a new handset redelivered incase the first one is damaged or something. Also, if incase the package gets opened up in customs, wouldnt there be a great risk of damage, theft etc etc
    I feel I should get it deliverd in the UK and then get it send with some friends who travels to India soon. better to avoid all these customs hassles, rite

    Thank you.
     
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    My understanding is that 100 times the price of a first class stamp will use the price of first class mail based on the items weight. Im not sure though. If it is you would be looking at 100x
     
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    Hi. Direct answer to your first question. I ordered an HTC Desire from Clove and had it delivered to my hotel in Pune India. I was not charged any VAT, but did have to pay in about INR5990 on delivery to my hotel for the customs charges etc. Received in good order. Box was opened for customs verification I guess, but nothing seemed to have been tampered with otherwise. I took no additional insurance that I am aware of, but did receive my order within 3 days of receiving shipping confirmation from Clove via Fedex.
     
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    1981 Well-Known Member This Topic's Starter

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    Thanks for the info. almost 6000rs for customs means it gets costlier than getting it with VAT already paid. I have now decided that I will get it delivered in the UK itself and later get it sent through someone. also, cant be sure about the package being opened at customs channels in India.
    Anyways wats ur opinion about the Desire so far. is it worth paying so much. How is the loudness and clarity when hearing music through the loudspeakers, and the battery life
     

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