Hello all, I dont have a visson box, but i have a device very similar, i know this firmware runs ok on my el cheapo chinese android stick(f16rev) because i have had it installed before. I was running 20120905_Android_ICS-ATV-108-f16ref-test (installed initially on a bricked box, recovered using recovery sd card with this fw). after some time messing with stuff i though i do a clean reinstall of this fw, but i would not let me.. it said "firmware not found" in the updater app. so i extracted the update.zip from the 20120905_Android_ICS-ATV-108-f16ref-test.zip file, and placed that in the root of my SD card. This time it updated (yay).. but.. it did not install superuser and many other apps (because they where in new_patch.zip (which was included in the main zip: 20120905_Android_ICS-ATV-108-f16ref-test.zip). My question now is: how do i get the full firmware installed back again, with all app (including root and google apps etc)? remember: installing 20120905_Android_ICS-ATV-108-f16ref-test.zip will simply not work, as the vplay updater does not accept this file thi is my device btw: Android 4.0 Mini PC Amlogic M3 Cortex A9 1G RAM 4G ROM w/ HDMI / Wi-Fi - Black - Worldwide Free Shipping - DX Thanks for any response!