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  1. EarlyMon

    EarlyMon The PearlyMon Moderator

    (Randy Marsh voice) Closer... closer... closerer... OK, now even more closerer!

  2. drexappeal

    drexappeal Well-Known Member

  3. EarlyMon

    EarlyMon The PearlyMon Moderator

  4. i.have.droid

    i.have.droid Well-Known Member

    I may have misread but someone in here called the EVO4Gs battery life "phenomenal" and did not use sarcasm.

    That should result in internet banishment.
  5. drexappeal

    drexappeal Well-Known Member

    It was possible with rooted EVO. I was one of the few that didn't have issues after the Gingerbread update and my battery life actually did improve compared to prior to the update.
  6. Tommydaniel

    Tommydaniel Well-Known Member

    He contradicts himself saying it is, then immediately says a successor hasn't been confirmed.

    "the successor [to the S2] is already here, it's the Galaxy Note... We haven't confirmed any successor to the S2. The S2 is a very, very popular device. It's the number one selling Android device in the UK and has been now for coming up to a year..."
  7. 3vodroid

    3vodroid Well-Known Member

    i had a samsung moment and i hated it.. i know were comparing a daewoo lanos to a bmw but when i upgraded to my 3vo i can honestly say ill never own another samsung..
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  8. drexappeal

    drexappeal Well-Known Member

    Yeah...LOL...I saw that and was thinking, "um, so which is it? Either the Note is the successor or it's not."
  9. EarlyMon

    EarlyMon The PearlyMon Moderator

    Hence my picture of a merry go round, obviously - wait a second, and the pony changes right before your eyes.

    Lotta loyal Samsung fans were made from bad HTC experiences as well.

    Sure hope that the QA on these babies is top notch!

    (former Moment owner)
  10. drexappeal

    drexappeal Well-Known Member

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  12. Orion

    Orion Well-Known Member

    Yeah that article made me chuckle a bit.
  13. Tommydaniel

    Tommydaniel Well-Known Member

    My guess is something was lost in translation.
  14. CriticalCritic

    CriticalCritic Well-Known Member

    That was me. I currently easily get over 48hrs of battery life with low usage. And about 16 with moderate usage.
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  15. Covert_Death

    Covert_Death Well-Known Member

    i REALLY wish they would change the picture for the EVO 4g... its not accurate at all, infact it's quiet horrible, you can't take a picture at an angle like that and then use it for side by side comparison
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  16. EarlyMon

    EarlyMon The PearlyMon Moderator

    Wow, no kidding!

    Put it alongside the 3vo, they differ in width by a mm but the leaned-back Evo looks fatter!
  17. i.have.droid

    i.have.droid Well-Known Member

    Cool and my properly rooted android gets 6 hours with low usage one day and spikes to 10 hours the next.

    The phone has a battery issue. Some of you have gotten lucky or use your phone with zero functionality, but to say the Evo has phenomenal battery life is completely false. If you have to root a phone for good battery life, it is not good battery life. You should not have to root your phone for that.

    Sometimes people say stuff in here that makes no sense..."rooting is REALLY EASY!!!". Yes, if you are a tech geek. It is not easy..easy is me telling the 21 year old girl in my office to go root her phone and having her return the next day and say "wow problem". That is what a real world definition of easy is.

    The same logic is applicable to battery life, which is why there is no reason anyone should ever describe the EVO1's as phenomenal.
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  18. dan330

    dan330 Well-Known Member

    it is true.. there is a lot of difference from one person to the next... in battery life...

    and the evo's battery is not big enough!

    I am going to guess .. the real differentiator is location and signal strength..

    you say .. one day to the next.. you get different battery performance...and we will assume you are using the phone the same amount.

    when the phone is having a hard time finding a good solid signal... i will periodically keep checking for a connection... it is like it is making a shiit load of very short calls... maybe every other minute or so.

    this drains the battery...
  19. EarlyMon

    EarlyMon The PearlyMon Moderator

    Dan is correct. People get varying mileage.

    Charges that those getting good battery life aren't using their phones or being possibly just wrong can't be tolerated, we're here to respect each other and share notes on how to get things done, not to pass judgment without evidence.

    There can be easily 60 or more library services actively running under the hood that few monitors with ever tell you about.

    Please consider that the phrase, everyone gets different mileage, isn't just an expression. Some work harder to not let background processes get the better of them, and some do live near flaky cell towers, while others move in and out fringe areas without ever knowing about it.

    You stand a better chance at battery life if any of the following improve - increase from single core, smaller manufacturing process used for major chips in the phone, increase in Sense revision, increase in rom customization to improve process control.

    But these are cell phones. For every guy who gets out of the park performance, there's another who can't get good battery life at gunpoint.

    But none of it is a reason to make it personal, ok?
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  20. EarlyMon

    EarlyMon The PearlyMon Moderator

    Something we haven't explored -

    We all know that apps can go rogue, or apps can be incompatible with each other and cause issues.

    And I have met plenty of TW and Sense owners who insist that one or the other or both suck at battery life, causing brand switching and / or rom switching.

    But I don't think that we've ever looked at it from the side of some apps or app combinations simply colliding with Sense or TW in a way to drive a battery nuts.

    That is entirely possible from a tech viewpoint, and might explain some of the HTC vs Samsung hate.

    Just as I've asked for respect for those with great battery life, I give the same respect for those who have tried everything and gotten nowhere until switching brands.

    It's a tricky problem.
  21. Covert_Death

    Covert_Death Well-Known Member

    with my OG Evo i think switching from sense to stock made a big enough improvement for me.

    one thing i don't understand is why htc doesn't make Sense as just a launcher... I mean i guess they would have to use the stock dialer but i feel like we would have much more compatibility if it was simply an "app"

    another thing, back in the original EVO 4g days, sense could be disabled, do you think that with ICS (has the ability to freeze programs) that we could "Freeze" sense and therefore force the phone to use stock?
  22. EarlyMon

    EarlyMon The PearlyMon Moderator

    Sense has always been more than a launcher, widgets and apps - it's an overall approach to making phone use data centric, specifically around people, rather than app centric.

    You pull up a contact and you know at glance if you have outstanding messages or email from them.

    While everyone is still saying that Sense was a loser, it's this exact paradigm that's at the core of the ICS change from Gingerbread.

    That side of Sense has been completely vindicated.

    I don't see why you couldn't freeze Rosie (the Sense launcher) but you should know that when you start freezing pieces of Sense, it tends to eat more battery, unless you use comprehensive system monitoring to ensure your changes are correct. That's because user actions can set up a round robin of app check-ins to ensure that the data are connected everywhere Sense expects. If you replace a Sense component as default, that component will simply answer queries as, go away I don't work here anymore. If you freeze it, you force the apps checking each other to literally go nuts, and escalate messaging the frozen app in a time and battery wasting set of queries without answer.

    Sense tinkering without knowing underlying side effects has been part of the reason for the ongoing Sense-is-a-pig meme.

    If you haven't tried Sense 3 or greater on a dual core, you really can't know how much they've improved every aspect of its performance.

    If you have and it's still not for you, you've probably already found out that a Senseless rom is your right choice.

    I used to weed out things like Sense footprints or whatever it's called and other stuff on my Evo, to help save battery life. On a 3vo, none of that was required for me.

    I killed off the bloatware, turned off social network stuff, cleared gmail and shut that down, and immediately joined the 36 hour of moderate use battery club on the 3vo.

    All I'm saying is that you might want to re-think your going in position on modern Sense powered by a dual core.

    This won't be Sense 1.0 on simple Snapdragon. The old rules don't apply.
  23. Jadien

    Jadien Well-Known Member

    As a man that has been using an up-to-date stock Evo, I have no problems with Sense. It never seemed to inhibit my experience; only enhance it. I love Sense's contact-driven style. Especially facebook/social-network contact syncing, which is something I didn't see available when tinkering with a GS2. Anyone know if touchwiz has the syncing available?
  24. Tommydaniel

    Tommydaniel Well-Known Member

    Facebook and Twitter can both sync with contacts my E4GT and it's stock...
  25. Covert_Death

    Covert_Death Well-Known Member

    yes but you have to download the facebook and twitter apps from the market, they in turn will sync themselves to your contact book...

    Sense has the capability built into it without the need for the apps
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