From an iPhone to Nexus One


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    jgor2000 Member This Topic's Starter

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    After 3 years with an iPhone I have decided to give Nexus One a try.
    I really don't want to talk about how great and fast is Nexus: I get it: it's a superior hardware piece but I have to admit I have been a little disappointed: my biggest complain? Lack of Push Notification!! I'm a heavy IM user and I cannot find a decent IM application: Beejive with Push for the iPhone is an experience not even remotely comparable to anything on the Android Store. Also: no Skype?! What?! Last but not least: Facebook for Android cannot compete with its iPhone bigger brother.
    I know I will get a ton of replies on how cool and great Nexus is but if Google does not step up at least with a decent Push Notification service I don't think Android will stand a chance, considering Microsoft is going to support a similar service on W7 Mobile.
    BTW Wait when Apple will release its new baby in June.
    What do you guys think?
     

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    grainysand Well-Known Member

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    I think you should go back to a one-button, one-task interface.
     
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    jgor2000 Member This Topic's Starter

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    That actually does everything you need and integrates with your music, pictures, calendar and movies...
    Yes I'll go back to that useless one button 2 years old machine!
     
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    grainysand Well-Known Member

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    Multi-task so you can navigate, stream music, and browse the web at once? No? Didn't think so. Act as a USB drive without any need for the bloatware known as iTunes or any extra app? Yes? Maybe? Oh wait.

    Lol, calendar. Mine integrates syncing with my Google account across the board. Calendar? Sure. Backs up contacts perfectly? Absolutely. And if I really want to, I've several options for syncing media and all that garbage. The iFail? Limited to iTunes. That's it. Nothing else. Oh, the choices.

    [​IMG]

    Don't let the door hit, etc etc.
     
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    I don't have your former iPhone owner perspective but to me, Android is rich in supporting push.

    I have multiple e-mail accounts & it sparkles in its related capabilities.

    I'm a lightweight IMer, but it seems like messages are pushed to applications I've tried.

    Big news out of a recent event -- MWC, maybe -- points to Skype coming to Verizon.

    This is my first Android device and while nothing is perfect, or I haven't found it yet at any rate, there is so much more for me to like about it than not.

    There are fewer applications for Android devices than for iPhones, & still... I've found 120 I can't live without. :) Many marvels among them.

    For some, a proprietary, integrated hdwe & os solution is a better choice. Vive le RIM & vive l'Apple.

    For me, not so much. I like more customization capability.

    Android, while young, along with devices recent & coming soon, shows great promise I think.
     
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    jgor2000 Member This Topic's Starter

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    Android has real push just with Gmail (And if you use K 9 with some mail accounts). All the other apps need to be open in the background which drains the battery: the iPhone uses the innovative Push Notification service which means no app is running in the background (Huge battery saving) but you'll get an instant notification when let's say you get a Twitter or a Facebook or an IM even if you don't have network coverage: that is real time connectivity that is 2010 (BTW Windows Mobile 7 will make heavy use of push notification): with that being said I agree: Android is kinda young but as quite frankly I don't care to have 8 background applications when my battery lasts less than 6 hours with no phone calls.
    I hope Android 2.2 will introduce some ground breaking innovations in the meanwhile my 4 day old Nexus is on sale.
     
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    IOWA Mr. Logic Pants Moderator

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    Can't anyone see this guy is just a troll? And blackberry started push with email... so thaats not exactly an innovation by crApple.
     
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    jgor2000 Member This Topic's Starter

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    First of all I'm not a troll, second I see you did not read my post: I was talking about a variety of services not just push email.
    I apologize if I did not make it more clear.
    I'm just sharing my experience from an iPhone user.
     
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    have you tried adding IM clients to gtalk? in your gmail account you can add AIm and others and then just use the gtalk client which I believes handles chat very well.

    Give it a try
     
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    jgor2000 Member This Topic's Starter

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    Hi how do you do that?
     
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    th0r615 Well-Known Member

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    Im an iPhone user right now on ATT and I'm itching the get rid of this phone and get a new ATT Nexus One.

    Sounds like you already had your mind made up before you even tried the android phone, having it for sale after only 4 days?
     
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    jgor2000 Member This Topic's Starter

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    I know it might look as a premature decision but I don't think Android is the right fit for me. I had the phone battery dying in 6 hours.
    Once again that is my user experience I really don't want to take anything away from the Android concept and from the hardware itself.
     
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    You go to your gmail, and its in settings for chat.

    I just found out though that its for AIM, can't add msn or yahoo.

    also a lot of people like meebo for chat if you are still interested.

    Consider also the ability to use google voice, google goggles, better maps and turn by turn directions.

    I think there are certainly lots of limitations to the android platform but even with your IM problem, think that you can always leave your chat program open where as in the iphone you'd have to exit if you wanted to do something else.
     
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    jgor2000 Member This Topic's Starter

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    I'm not quite sure what's the benefit of GV: it's a recall service hence it will consumes your plan minutes, it's not that it uses 3G to make phone calls (A la Skype).
    I live in Manhattan so turn by turn it does nothing to me.
    I was impressed by Maps! I loved the idea of Buzz, latitude all in one application.
    With iPhone you can be sending an email (i.e.), having your IM closed but because of push notification you'll get the an alert saying you just got an IM: when you are done with your email (Or anything else)you can open the IM and retrieve the message.
    That is quite brilliant!
     
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    i get a full day per charge, with moderate use, and still have some juice left in the battery. I have my FB app checking every hour, and email checking every 15 mins, i do about 1 to 1-1/2 hours of phone calls, maybe 1-2 hours of browsing (web/market), check for twitts every hour, listent to music for 20-40 mins, and send txts every 30 mins.
    My wife runs FB and IM apps all freakign day, and texts all day long and she always makes it home with some charge left.
     
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    what im client do you use?... i use windows live, whenever im not online, i receive IMs as text... anyways you can always open the app sign in press home button, the app will "close".. but still runing on the background, and you will get notifications in real time, and still been able to do whatever you want... does that work for you:confused:
     
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    jgor2000 Member This Topic's Starter

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    Maybe it's my battery. I see, the SMS option is smart: I never thought about it.
    I'll check it out.
     
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    I wouldn't be happy with 6 hours battery life on a regular basis, neither. Mine is 12+, with my kind of heavier use, acceptable to me for a smartphone. With my application fascination, I do have quite a few services that are always on and more still that check in, with varying frequency.

    One thing that can prematurely drain in my case is lingering in a low coverage state. With VzW this is generally not the case, but I moved offices recently to something of a concrete bunker where it's so. A WAP is available to me, I use it, and my 12+ battery life remains.
     
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    jgor2000 Member This Topic's Starter

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    12 hours would be great!
     
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    I wish I could get even 6 hours on my crap HP iPAQ 910c (runs WM6.1). It used to get about 2 hours with heavy 3G data usage, but now gets 15 minutes. I get maybe 6 hours doing nothing but sitting on standby. ...and this phone is 1 year old.

    That's why I'm anxiously awaiting the Xperia X10. :D
     
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    This is incorrect despite how many times newbies post this in Android discussion forums. Don't assume that Android works the same way that your former device(s) did.

    Push notification isn't what you mean. I get push notifications just fine with gmail and my Exchange account. You're specifically referring to IM apps.

    Doesn't matter to me what they release as long as they retain their app store policies. YMMV, of course.

    That makes no sense at all. How is the notification transmitted? Link?

    If that's all you're getting you need to figure out what you're doing to kill the battery or what apps are killing your battery and address those issues.

    All the features are pretty well documented on their site (and others, for that matter). That said, not everyone will find it to be beneficial.
     
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    jgor2000 Member This Topic's Starter

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    Correct and I was comparing the way Android works with one of a device that has more than twice its market share.

    Sorry but Push notification is what I mean. Having Gmail or Yahoo using IMAP Idle is a push service and there are different implementation of it: the idea is having a demon running in the background that "listens" to notification pushed from the "cloud"

    I'm not a developer but an end user so I don't quite bother about their policies: I just want to have a nice user experience: the Apple App store is terrific.

    Yes it does make sense: if you are riding the Sway in Manhattan and AP sends a breaking news through their Push Notification service when I come up to the street the push notification daemon on my iPhone will catch that and alert the AP App even if the app is not running on the background: so no network at the moment of the notification but I still get it when the network is back. With Instant Messaging is even more convenient because you will appear always on line and once you are back under coverage you'll get the message.

    That's my point: why should I spend time figuring out what is wrong with my phone: what am I? An Engineer?

    You cannot compare GV to Skype: GV is a call back service that you can use in the US. Skype is a computer application that runs everywhere you have a wifi or a data network. Also you can choose multiple numbers to be associated to your skype account and with less than $3.00 a month you have unlimited call to any number in the US using you data plan: no minutes used.
     
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    Yep, and the iPhone 3GS is well-known for its amazing battery life.

    Oh wait, hahahaha what am I saying.
     
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    jgor2000 Member This Topic's Starter

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    Based on my personal experience the one year old battery of my iPhone 3G does much better than my brand new Nexus. Maybe I got a bad battery?
    And I don't listen to music or watching videos on Nexus.
     
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    In all fairness, I'm having a hard time understanding why jgor2000 is getting blasted by some of the folks. After reading some of his comments, at least to me, they seems like valid criticisms. I should state that I own a Droid and I'm a big android fan. That doesn't mean that we should jump on everyone who criticizes the software. As good as Android is, relative to the competition, at least from a user POV, it still isn't quite as "mature". As much potential as Android has (and I think it has more potential than any other mobile environment out there), it is far from perfect, and still has a lot of room to grow and improve relative to the competition. This is not a bad thing, it simply is what it is.

    With that in mind, I also think that some of jgor2000 criticisms perhaps are a bit premature. Android should be commended for being as good as it is andhaving improved as much as it has in such a short period of time. Also while I'm always reading criticisms about how Android lacks certain apps available to the Iphone, lets keep in mind that Android has only been on the market for a bit over a year and in that time, its app store has only really started to take off since the introduction of high end Android phones such as the droid. I would be interested to see whether we are still having this conversation about androids lack of this or that relative to Apple a year from today. My guess is that the two systems will be in far more even footing by then (with android probably having better hardware if for no other reason, the sheer number of manufacturers building sets for it).
     
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