Google Wallet Guide: Avoid Secure Element Brick [Updated 5/25/13]


  1. jmar

    jmar Nexican VIP Member

    Thank you for sharing. Their have been reports that there is trouble brewing with Google Wallet again, on their end. Saw some news about it on Phandroid today. This may be related to that. I can't be sure. It is my understanding that Wallet is having trouble in terms of updating balances. Reports are that you can still use your Wallet, it just won't update. This error may be similar to the provisioning errors we faced earlier this year. I will keep my eyes peeled and ears open.

    jmar
  2. AndroiDad75

    AndroiDad75 Well-Known Member

    So, the last time I used wallet was back in January. I have flashed, both dirty and full, many times since then. I open wallet and it looks like my money is still on my google card. When would I get the secure elements error? When I try to use it? Or will it happen as soon as I open the app? I am trying to decide whether I need to do this prior to running B38. But then again, I am trying to figure out if I do have the problem, and just don't know it yet...
  3. jmar

    jmar Nexican VIP Member

    It happens when you factory reset or wipe data without first following the steps in the OP. I recommend that you follow the guide before a full wipe to b38. I just did it last night and my Wallet is perfect.

    Let me know how it goes!

    jmar
  4. jmar

    jmar Nexican VIP Member

    OP updated and makes more sense.

    Thanks to NSutherl and jova33 for helping out!

    jmar
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  5. AndroiDad75

    AndroiDad75 Well-Known Member

    Right, but when would I see the error? When I open the app? When I try to buy something?

    When I open my app, I don't get an error. I can look at the balance on my card, no error. So just trying to see if I have the issue, and need to revert way back to an older NANDROID or not.

    Thanks for putting this together.
  6. jmar

    jmar Nexican VIP Member

    You are not having the issue. Everything you've explained points to that. If you booted into recovery right now and wiped data without following the guide, upon opening the app in a fresh ROM, you would experience the error then.
  7. jova33

    jova33 Well-Known Member

    So anyways I flashed a new ROM, but didn't wipe wallet first. So after I restored all my apps, I wiped wallet, uninstalled it, then reinstalled it. Think that'll work? Lol

    I still have yet to find a pay pass to use it on... Except that drive through, but I haven't been back there yet.

    Edit: it works. McDonalds

    Sent using Tapatalk, the free one.
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  8. Dabitz

    Dabitz Well-Known Member

    Question, the OP says do not restore data... How do I get my apps data back then?
  9. jmar

    jmar Nexican VIP Member

    It seems that one can get away with the process you described but I would never recommend it. It is a risky situation of "your mileage may very," since you can't unbrick a secure element error.


    Data is the information stored within any given application, whereas an application is merely the application, without any saved information. Titanium Backup allows for restoration of both the application and its previously stored user data. For Google Wallet, it is highly recommended that user data is deleted within the app and in settings afterward, after which a restore of only the application will ensure very low (if any) risk of brick to the secure element. PM me if you need further assistance. Otherwise the OP contains the answers.

    jmar
  10. AndroiDad75

    AndroiDad75 Well-Known Member

    Awesome!! Thanks for the guide jmartin. I have basically always been on AOKP, maybe that's why I don't have the issue. I will start doing this prior to every full wipe. Thanks again.
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  11. AntimonyER

    AntimonyER AF Addict VIP Member

    If you restore data from TiBu to Wallet after wiping the phone, it won't work, based on my recent experience. I had to reset wallet, uninstall, reinstall, and add my cards back again to get Wallet to work again.
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  12. jmar

    jmar Nexican VIP Member

    Thank you for sharing this. I noticed the same thing back in the day.

    jmar
  13. jmar

    jmar Nexican VIP Member

    I didn't really answer your question two posts before :(

    Here it is: you have to enter your info again; you don't reload data, just the apk itself. This is because we are taking precautions to ensure the secure element doesn't brick. I know it takes some extra time, but you would need a new phone if you took the wrong steps.

    Hope that helps.

    jmar
  14. stpbby

    stpbby Well-Known Member

    I love that. I used mine at Taco Bueno and the lady behind the counter looked at me like I was crazy, told me "That doesn't work with your phone sir, you'll need to swipe a credit card". I didn't say anything, as soon as she finished talking the receipt printed out... HAHA, she looked at me like I was George Jetson.

    But the greatest experience was at Home Depot, the lady behind the counter pulled out her iPhone and asked where she could get the app. I smiled and told her that iPhones couldn't do it. oh the disappointment in her eyes when she found out her iPhone wasnt the 'state of the art futuristic device' she was told that it was.

    Love it!
  15. NSutherl

    NSutherl Well-Known Member

    I've had a question about this. If the Secure Element does end up bricking, what all in the phone is broken? It seems like non-secure NFC processes still work, and basically just Google Wallet stops working. If this is the case, I would probably rephrase to "you will need a new phone if you want to continue using Google Wallet."

    If I end up bricking my Secure Element, but the only thing it affects is Google Wallet and everything else about the phone is fine, I'm not getting a new phone, I'll just live without Wallet and not risk using my one of two warranty claims per year.
  16. jmar

    jmar Nexican VIP Member

    Yeah, basically it just bricks the payment ability. All other NFC functions will continue to function. It is up to the user if Wallet is that important.
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  17. NSutherl

    NSutherl Well-Known Member

    It makes me feel better that my phone will still be totally functional, save for the ability to pay via NFC. It would suck though, it's really fun to pay like this :D
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  18. jmar

    jmar Nexican VIP Member

    Yeah, I enjoy the futuristic "Jetsons" aspect!
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  19. jmar

    jmar Nexican VIP Member

    OP updated! Thank you for the PM NSuth!

    EDIT: Added thanks to contributors to this guide. Thank you.
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  20. cveez11

    cveez11 Member

    Seems i have a different issue. I am rooted and running liquid ics 1.4. i was using wallet just fine. Then for some reason my phone got stuck on boot and would not boot completely. I had to reboot into recovery, wipe and flash again. I figured i would get the secure element, however, when i open wallet it opens the page and i click "get started". then it shows mmy gmail account and i click continue. then it shows the terms of service and i click "i agree". then it shows the circle and "activating account" forever. I have tried with wifi and 4g and it will not get passed the activating account. Is this the same issue, or am i experiencing something different?
  21. NSutherl

    NSutherl Well-Known Member

    How long did you wait? I remember mine took a few minutes at the loading circle but not a crazy amount of time.
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  22. AntimonyER

    AntimonyER AF Addict VIP Member

    I had to retry a couple times to get it to finally go through. And even then it took, good 15 minutes to go through.
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  23. cveez11

    cveez11 Member

    i waited at least 30 minutes. had to put it on the charger so i wouldn't lose all my battery waiting.
  24. jmar

    jmar Nexican VIP Member

    How did this all turn out?

    What I have done is delete data from settings--->apps--->all apps--->wallet and tried again. I have waited up to 10 minutes myself.

    jmar
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  25. cveez11

    cveez11 Member

    OK, i decided i wasn't getting good enough battery, so i flashed the newest eclipse rom and it initialized and started working almost immediately. weird, but working, not really sure why.

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