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Hangouts SMS option

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  1. kathayes

    kathayes Well-Known Member

    If I switch to using Hangouts for SMS on my Note 3 with VZW:

    1. Do SMS messages go through Google like messages go through Apple with iMessages?

    2. The app indicated that rates will still apply. If so, what is the advantage of using it?


  2. Rxpert83

    Rxpert83 Dr. Feelgood Moderator

    1) I'm not sure what you mean by 1

    2) Its just taking over your SMS functions as well. I'd you use hangouts already, its one less app
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  3. kathayes

    kathayes Well-Known Member

    With iOS, you can use the Messages app with other iOS users and instead of sending a message as a SMS it sends it through Apple's servers so it does not use carrier messages. It is the same idea as Blackberry with their Messenger application.
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  4. Rxpert83

    Rxpert83 Dr. Feelgood Moderator

    Thanks, you can send hangouts in much the same way. It'll use data and not sms

    But if you send it as an SMS, it will count towars your sms limit
  5. Brian706

    Brian706 Moderator Moderator

    I think it's a little different. I don't think it chooses automatically like that. You start a hangout with a contact, and you choose either to message them through their Google account or choose their mobile number which automatically makes the hangout sms.

    You can clearly see which current threads are sms and which are messenger.
  6. lvu

    lvu Member

    I feel like hangouts isnt quite ready and it needs a bit more. It comes stock on my nexus 5, didnt have it on my note 3
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  7. Adar

    Adar Well-Known Member

    Not sure if this should really go here, since it isn't specific to the One, as far as I know. Android 4.4 is supposed to move towards Hangouts being the default SMS app. I generally do not use Hangouts for anything, but after reading about the 4.4 update, I thought I would give it a look. Using the latest update to Hangouts, I enabled it as my SMS handler. All in all, it is working out a lot better than I expected, but it has one thing that annoys me to no end. It has a hard limit of 160 characters. The stock SMS app automatically splits longs texts for me. I can see no option within Hangouts to enable that functionality. Has anyone messed with Hangouts since updating to 4.3? Am I just blind and not seeing how to enable this?

    If they don't have the ability to do this, I am going to be highly annoyed at having Hangouts as my default SMS. I know you are supposed to be able to change it, but the whole OS is supposed to be geared towards Hangouts being the default. And yes, I am aware that it is a petty complaint, and that sending long texts is probably a failing on my part. :) I've just gotten used to being able to happily type away texts to my wife while I am sitting in boring conference calls, and don't want to have to keep an eye on how many characters I type. :)
  8. marctronixx

    marctronixx Moderator Moderator

    Looks to be a hard limit right now. You should post this in the App section to get more chatter...
  9. GuitarG20

    GuitarG20 Clueless Senior Member Contributor

    Hangouts automatically splits SMS messages for me...
  10. marctronixx

    marctronixx Moderator Moderator

    Right before posting I typed an sms in hangouts. Once the countdown went to zero I stopped seeing text so to me that too would suggest the app has a hard out at 160.

    But maybe not... :eek:
  11. GuitarG20

    GuitarG20 Clueless Senior Member Contributor

    When mine hit 0 it split out into 1xx/2, implying that it was then splitting it into two messages... let me root around in settings to see if there's something there.

    EDIT: It's super basic and I didn't see anything there... hmm. I'm on AT&T, what carrier are you using it on? Also what version of android? (keep in mind I'm on a HOXL running sense 5 and 4.2.2)
  12. Adar

    Adar Well-Known Member

    From what I was reading in the Google Hangouts group forums, people on AT&T and Verizon say Hangouts is splitting their sms, but Sprint isn't. One of the mods said it was because Sprint doesn't allow it, but the link he posted just goes to a generic Sprint page saying sms messages are 160 characters. I'm not sure how Hangouts would work differently on different carriers. It isn't like Sprint has their own version of Hangouts. Anecdotally though, it appears that it does work differently on Sprint than on other carriers.

    That needs to be fixed. Having to manually split my messages is annoying. I really wasn't happy to hear I was essentially going to be forced into using Hangouts. I WAS pleasantly surprised that Hangouts has improved a lot since I first tried it. Hopefully enough people will complain and they will fix this. It's really the only thing keeping me from using it right now.
  13. marctronixx

    marctronixx Moderator Moderator

    yes i use sprint so thank you for confirming I have not yet lost my mind.

    however, i dont see where you are FORCED to use hangouts as I still use google voice and whatsapp.

    and i use google voice exclusively. hangouts it not yet compatible with google voice so until then i will use whatsapp.
  14. Adar

    Adar Well-Known Member

    Well, forced was a bit of exaggeration. With Android 4.4,Hangouts will be the default SMS app. You can still use third party apps, but there is some concern about how well it will work. I'll have to find the article because I can't remember the specifics. And since the HTC One is supposed to get 4.4 within 90 days, I wanted to get used to it ahead of time. Things could change.
  15. geekhandstrong

    geekhandstrong Well-Known Member

    you are absolutely right. i'm on virgin mobile (sprint) and my experience has been that hangouts does not allow for the sms character limit. didn't see anything to fix it in the settings area, either
  16. Hadron

    Hadron Well-Known Member Contributor

    Actually very few of my texts are less than 160 characters, so you're not alone in this :)

    But as for " the whole OS is supposed to be geared towards Hangouts being the default", so what? What do you care what Google want you to do? Use whatever suits you best and forget about the rest.
  17. kmf

    kmf Well-Known Member

    Does Hangouts work best with other Hangouts users? I just sent an sms to a non-hangouts user and long words were split.
  18. Adar

    Adar Well-Known Member

    Well, I plan on using what works for me. The thing is, I liked the stock SMS app we already have. It just feels like I am being forced into a direction I don't want. I have tried other Handcent and Chomp, and really did not like them. They just have either been unstable, or had too much junk in them that I don't care about. The last I heard was that the default SMS app we have right now isn't a part of KitKat (I don't know that for sure, just a few comments from people who have it. That doesn't preclude it still being there, just not on the main screen or something). If that is the case, I will have to move to some other app. Until Hangouts auto-splits my texts for me, I will probably end up using Handcent, as it was the least annoying to me.

    Regardless, it was just one of those annoyances I ran into, and was curious if there was a way around it, or what other people thought of it.
  19. Brian706

    Brian706 Moderator Moderator

    Try 8SMS.
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  20. Rxpert83

    Rxpert83 Dr. Feelgood Moderator

  21. Clementine_3

    Clementine_3 Well-Known Member

    Installing now.
  22. GuitarG20

    GuitarG20 Clueless Senior Member Contributor

    If hangouts hadn't come along with sms support, I think I would have switched to 8sms. Thankfully, hangouts supports message splitting on AT&T so I'm gonna stick with it for now.
  23. Hadron

    Hadron Well-Known Member Contributor

    Ah, well I can tell you what I think of it: I uninstalled Hangouts, so there's no way I'll be using it as my message app :)

    Right now I'm running a Sense ROM, and using the HTC message app, and would prefer to continue doing so. Even if the SMS functionality of Hangouts was perfect it would just be a more bloated messaging app to me (I don't use the rest of it, so that's just clutter from my point of view). So if I had a phone which only came with this I would either hunt for a 3rd party app I liked or extract one from an earlier ROM & see whether I could get it working (which sounds not so different from what the developer of 8sms has done).
  24. Adar

    Adar Well-Known Member

    Honestly, I felt the same way about Hangouts prior to this update. It was slow loading, and not very user friendly. Since it didn't do SMS, I had no reason to use it. I don't use Talk, and the only time I ever used the Hangout function for video chat, was when Chickenfoot did a Hangout for their album release.

    The newest Hangouts is actually fast, doesn't appear to take up a bunch of resources, and is pretty easy to use. The only thing keeping me from using it for SMS is that on Sprint it won't automatically split long text messages. Since the only thing I really have a use for in Hangouts is SMS, it kind of makes it worthless to me. If anyone uses the other features, it might actually be a good fit. I'm sure they will fix the splitting messages thing though.

    If nothing else, I give Google credit for making some pretty impressive improvements to the program.
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  25. Dr Jones

    Dr Jones Member

    Hi All,
    Updated to the new version of Hangouts yesterday. Apparently Google wants this to be the new stock messaging app on it's phones. It asked if I wanted to use Hangouts for SMS, so I clicked yes and decided to give it a whirl. Has anybody else done this on the HTC One? Thoughts? Experience?

    So far as I can tell, there are some major bugs. SMS works just fine, but MMS will not download at all. At least not after trying 4 or 5 times, after that I gave up. There is no option to have the incoming messages display on the lock screen, which I find annoying.

    Would be interested to hear about others experiences. Especially regarding the incoming MMS. And, no, it's not a carrier issue. They flow through just fine on the stock messaging app. Which I will be going back to shortly if I can't get it figured out within Hangouts.

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