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  1. bruceo

    bruceo Well-Known Member

  2. bruceo

    bruceo Well-Known Member

    Yeah, just a skin. With lock screen music control, music & media player, camera software all which which destroy what is on the droid or available in the apps store.

    Oh I'm sorry a skin that also includes a unified mail app, web browser, document viewer, photo/video gallery all with multitouch and that destroy anything on or available for the droid. You can't even swipe photos in the droid's gallery.

    Oh I forgot to mention that "skin" also has an intelligent soft keyboard that smokes both the hard and soft keyboard on the Droid, there's no comparison.

    Oh I'm sorry... that "skin" also has a dialer that has larger clear contact photos vs the droids blurry thumbnail images and it has smartdial... You know that novel concept that is on just about every handset except the droid.... you know, the droid that does....

    Not to mention the numerous useful homescreen widgets that that "skin" includes, like actual working and useful facebook, twitter, photo gallery, mail, calendar etc, where the native android equivalents are dumbwidgets with nothing more than simple display functionality. Of course you only need 3 homescreens with the droid, because the native android widgets are TERRIBLE. HTC's widgets make you want even more than 7 screens, so therefore that "skin" gives you scenes so you can have totally separate and instantly accessible panel homescreens to fit whatever lifestyle mode you are in for that moment/day.

    I can keep going on about MotoDroid deficiencies compared to Sense UI alone if you'd like and even more compared to basic functionality and even more if you want to compare to iPhone......

    One major annoyance I have at the moment is the 30 days I had the Hero and long pressed the search button I never got 1 connection error 100% execution of searches. It's probably 50% of the time on the Droid even after hard reset that it immediately connection errors out. Moto's 12/11 OTA better be good because if not the Droid may be dead. I wonder why they did not push the release out by 12/6... Since they knew about glaring issues even with the hands on reviews at release.

    Oh probably because they need that installed base that is stuck past the 30 day return with a device that doesn't. They depend on those folks who say yeah this device will finally work as advertised on the upcoming firmware release....
  3. sooper_droid12

    sooper_droid12 Well-Known Member

    Glad you can admit that you can be wrong. Either way, it's all speculative. Shoot, the Passion itself is vaporware until further notice. That being said, what are you saying? Take a moment and re-read my post. Until Android/Google can set up an environment like iTunes, it is unlikely that any Android phone would be as widely adopted as the iPhone. Don't get me wrong. The reason I even own an Android phone is because I believe in the potential of Google world.

    Lastly, what you're really saying is that you're disappointed with the UX of the DROID. That's fine. It doesn't suit everyone. The fact that you "grew up" on the TouchPro, you're an HTC guy. Fine. Sense UI is nice, slick even. And it does fill some gaps, but it's a widget skin. No matter what you think about the infancy of the iPhone, it's basically defined the UX for the Smartphone and continues to do so even after the invent of Sense UI (TouchFlo before that!)
  4. sooper_droid12

    sooper_droid12 Well-Known Member

    Whoa there horsey! Don't get so defensive. Go buy the HTC Passion bro! I get it, you don't like the DROID. The fact that DROID employs only the native Android system was a business decision made by Motorola/Google and VZW. If and when Apple's patents get approved, they won't be liable for any IP infringement. HTC chose to go out on a limb, develop a widget skin that enhances the UX. And that's what you enjoy. So leave the DROID alone and wait for the Passion. End of story.
  5. bruceo

    bruceo Well-Known Member

    I wouldn't call my self an HTC fan because I hated the Touch pro and feel that HTC is complicit in unnecessary device proliferation by making so many handsets that are nice but are unneccesarily lacking in some core features. If you combined a few of their devices you'd have the perfect handset, but why would they do that... They wouldn't until the iPhone forces them to move closer to that kind of device.

    TouchFlo was actually a pretty poor attempt IMO it was tryly just a skin w. Seith its large suite of modifications is light years better. So much so that out of the box Sense + A1.5 even far exceeds native A2.0. Even adding a hodgepodge of available apps to try and make android 2.0 like Sense w/ 1.5 it doesnt come close. I would imagine by extrapolation Sense + 2.0/1 would be that much better.

    I would even go as far to say that google has become a lot like Microsoft in the fact that they do a few things best in class like Search & Mail specifically and a ton of things half assed, see everything almost everything else that google has eternally attached the Beta label to...
  6. bruceo

    bruceo Well-Known Member


    :) Don't get me wrong I like the Droid and could be relatively satisfied with it. I just get irritated with all the cool commercials and Droid fanboys who call out iphone fanboys for being fanboys.... Even the video I just posted of the verizon CMO talking about how they hinder themselves due to the stringent reliability requirements they put the handset makers through, when they obviously dont.....
  7. kennyidaho

    kennyidaho Well-Known Member

    HTC can't seem to keep their phones secret for very long. If you have not seen pictures of it yet I highly doubt that is close to release. I also doubt they would release a CDMA version first. It could be announced - but I think you are safe getting your droid.

    It seems to always be the same process for each HTC device. Rumours, renders/stats, pictures, unlocked GSM rumour release date, more pictures, rumours that sprint/verizon will get it (and change everything good about it), GSM release, CDMA rumours, CDMA version announced, sprint/verizon drag feet getting it to market, released, then finally people complain A LOT that it was not the end all be all like they had hyped it up to be.

    (See Vogue, Raphael/Herman, Dream, Hero, Magic etc)
  8. bruceo

    bruceo Well-Known Member

    Exactly, which is why i am not an HTC fan, but they are getting close.
  9. sooper_droid12

    sooper_droid12 Well-Known Member

    Well, based on your page long diatribe, you'd be the pot calling the kettle black as far as fanboys are concerned. You sound like an HTC (Sense UI) fanboy calling out DROID fanboys because they call out iPhone fanboys for being fanboys. The VZW commercials said nothing false. The DROID does do a lot of things that the iPhone doesn't do. The commercials never said DROID does and Sense UI doesn't.

    That being said, for the next big thing, the DROID does do a lot of things not seen on a phone before. Talk about infancy: Android OS is in its infant state, so it's obvious there will be some deficiencies as they define the "Google Experience."

    Talk about doing things best in class: HTC does the widget thing best in class. But that doesn't mean that Sense UI is perfect. It's a memory hog and needs almost 100 mb of RAM just to run well. It needs to inherit the HD2 hardware with 448 mb RAM, 128 of which is used up by the GPU, so that the resulting RAM is similar to that available on the DROID for running and storing apps.

    What I'm saying is it's not sufficient to say one is better or worse than another, but that each accomplishes what it set out to do. Who knows? If Passion does come out, it may not even have Sense UI if it's supposed to be the TRUE Google Experience. Google made that clear when it talked about the difference between "Google Experience," and "with Google" phones. The HTC Passion may be running a version of Android beyond 2.0 without Sense, if it indeed is the gPhone.

    We just assume that because it's an HTC phone, it will have Sense UI. But as I said all along, it's all speculation. The phone is fiction at this point.
  10. sooper_droid12

    sooper_droid12 Well-Known Member

    By the way, the DROID is a "with Google" phone.
  11. wonderbread

    wonderbread Well-Known Member

    What a terrible title/thread. OP you need to lower your anticipation anxiety and increase your reading comprehension. You already posted this reply in a different thread and people discussed it. Absolutely no reason to post this as a new thread with a deceiving title. As if anything in a reply about a rumor from a level 1 customer service rep constitutes news.

    Is it possible to revoke a user's posting privileges?

    p.s. the names "Passion and "Dragon" have been found in a leaked HTC ROM. If confirmed, this makes it pretty official that the device names exist at HTC.
  12. bruceo

    bruceo Well-Known Member

  13. bruceo

    bruceo Well-Known Member

    Android is not an infant mobile OS it was actually created 2 years before the IphoneOS. Android is Linux based and Iphone is a variant of MacOS. Google started pressing the Mobile OS space a few months after the iPhone was released. Google had/has as many or more resources as Apple does/did to gather engineers and such to create a competing OS So it's actually less infant than the iphone just more malformed and neglected than the iphone. Hopefully until now.

    Google's supposed "Google experience" marketing ploy IMO just shows incompetency, basically it seems to mean " a incomplete/buggier experience than "with Google" phones.

    I would say Sense runs pretty darn well on the ancient processors that HTC has stuck in their current devices. Its the app load times that suck.
  14. CSTblank

    CSTblank Well-Known Member

    If it's so terrible, then don't read it. My other thread (which ended in a question mark) was a theory of mine, relating to the posibility of the leaked photo being a fake. The posters here decided I was wrong. this thread has absolutely nothing to do with that thread. This thread is my email which I received and my giving it to you. Just because they relate to the same subject, doesnt make it the same thing. If that were the case, then we should only have one thread in this section with everyone posting there specifically.

    Just because you don't like what I've said, doesn't give you the right to request my posting privileges be revoked. Furthermore, I never claimed it as being "news" simply made the email in a quote, and said "here you go".

    What post were you reading exactly?:rolleyes:
  15. Mykpfsu

    Mykpfsu Well-Known Member

    Of course if the phone is not being called the Passion or Dragon the email means nothing. Also tech support wouldnt be the first to know.
  16. gbelste

    gbelste Member


    Nobody knew about the Droid Eris at all. The Droid advertising mentioned NOTHING about the Droid Eris. Droid Eris came to existence 3 or 4 days before the launch.....
  17. owlmatt

    owlmatt Well-Known Member

    And not be a downer, but the Droid Eris is a Verizon model of an already released phone. I can't recall ever seeing HTC release a phone on a US carrier without such little proof as an unlocked phone and especially not as a carrier phone. I just think Q1 2010.
  18. bruceo

    bruceo Well-Known Member

    I wouldn't be surprised if the Eris was a compromise for holding off on the HTC handset that will surpass the Droid. I can't imagine HTC allowing their device to be unmentioned and weaker in features at launch unless they had a powerhouse right behind it.....
  19. Mykpfsu

    Mykpfsu Well-Known Member

    This isn't really true. They knew about the phone after the press conference Verizon and Google had as one of the CEO's was holding the Eris. I think people also knew of the existence of the HTC Desire (which became the Eris).
  20. kyler13

    kyler13 Well-Known Member

    Quite simply, the only way we knew of the Desire/Eris was an inventory screen shot in early September and a picture from the press conference in early October, and even the latter was pure speculation about what Google's CEO was actually holding. That is pretty scant compared to what gets leaked sometimes. There was no close-up shot of this phone confirming it's existence on Verizon until about 2 weeks prior to release.
  21. sooper_droid12

    sooper_droid12 Well-Known Member

    We're talking about a $99 phone that was sold for even less for a time. Hmm, wonder why VZW didn't throw any advert behind that phone. Hmmm. Really? If I'm Verizon, I'm not throwing a big party for the Eris. I'm not occupying two Time Square screens to promote the Eris. No return buddy. No return on that investment.
  22. OfTheDamned

    OfTheDamned The Friendly Undead VIP Member

    Well, they may not admit or acknowledge the existence of the phone, but they sure like embedding the code name into their roms.

    New HTC Android codenames discovered in leaked 2.1 ROM Boy Genius Report

    I find it odd that the Passion and Dragon are listed separately, since they are supposedly one in the same. Also looks as thought there are quite a few new names to wonder about in that list.
  23. sooper_droid12

    sooper_droid12 Well-Known Member

    Old news bro... we all know about the code names.
  24. jmccarthy14

    jmccarthy14 Well-Known Member

    Seems you really dislike the droid, not really sure why. I've asked before, but why do you think if you hate android on the Droid that you'd love it with a better facebook/photo app and no keyboard (that can possibly break)?

    Everything else I've seen has said the performance difference is questionable, and the screen is likely the same size but worse resolution. Sense UI is great, but I'm just wondering why it makes the difference between love and hate for you?

    I want a passion btw, because I like sense UI and the lack of moving parts to break, but I would also really like a droid, so unless Passion comes out in this next month, I will probably get the droid on a 1 year (10 months till upgrade). I'm just not sure if sense UI makes it 'surpass' the droid enough to be worth keeping an iphone for another half year, for me.
  25. bruceo

    bruceo Well-Known Member


    I dont dislike the Droid but there are a lot of things that fall short of expectations. I have made many lengthy posts on why, so just look up my posts for my take on it....

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