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  1. Monkeyzluck

    Monkeyzluck Well-Known Member

    Since I'm not that important and wouldn't be missed I just wanted to show my support for D2A and all of our Devs by starting this thread.

    With all the trouble we've had with had with support from the companies I think it's important to show the people that are there for us that they are appreciated. I love you guys like a fat kid loves cake.

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  2. IMUcarmen

    IMUcarmen Well-Known Member

    I too appreciate the hard work they do as I'm sure most of us here do. thank you guys.

    I do hope you get your account unbanned death though you did ask for it, but hopefully the admins will have mercy.
  3. real0325

    real0325 Well-Known Member

    Brown no-zing, lmao ! Please mods be considerate of our small but big on support community , and resurrect DEATH2ALL110 . We really need him in efforts on deving, friendship, and one giant milestone to shove up Verizon's /Lgs ass.
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  4. artcwolf

    artcwolf Well-Known Member

    yeah let D2A back.
  5. OfTheDamned

    OfTheDamned The Friendly Undead VIP Member

    This is no the place for such discussions.

    We have a suggestion and feedback forum that is read consistently by most of the staff and especially the Admin.

    I will move this thread for you.

    EDIT: I also edited the title to reflect the full user name, otherwise it reads a little weird.
  6. MrDangerous

    MrDangerous Well-Known Member

    Ok since I lost my post when this thread got moved (said either the thread was deleted or I was banned) I'll say again.
    Our LG phone doesn't get a lot of love and several people reached into their own pockets and bought phones for these guys just so we can start getting SOMETHING going.

    But can anyone answer... since when did "troll" become a bad word? Yes there have been a few people trolling from time to time and if I see someone trolling, I'm going to call them out. D2A was reprimanded for suggesting someone was trolling and was told he wasn't allowed to use that word.

    What the hell?
  7. OfTheDamned

    OfTheDamned The Friendly Undead VIP Member

    I'm sorry your post is gone. You may have been trying to post it while I was moving the thread.

    Ok, first let me say that the word "troll" is nearly always used as an insult. It isn't necessarily a dirty word, but the meaning behind it isn't something nice. It isn't something you would ever use as a term of endearment. ;) That is the reason we discourage the use of it, just as we discourage anyone from insulting anyone else. It has also been an all to common practice to call someone a troll simply because someone doesn't agree with what another person says. Just because there is a difference of opinion doesn't mean anyone is doing anything wrong.

    As far as you or anyone else calling someone out for any reason, that isn't something you need to do. That is one of the main reasons we are here as moderators. If there is a problem in a thread all you need to do is report it. Leave the drama for us to deal with and enjoy the rest of your day. As my signature says, if a post has your blood boiling? Make a [​IMG] report instead of a retort. It save everyone the hassle and generally keeps our members out of trouble. :D

    As far as what happened in this case I won't go too deep into it, because I am reading after the fact, but there was no reprimand to anyone for using the word "troll". It was encouraged to be avoided, but nobody got in trouble for using it. A PSA by any mod is typically directed at an entire thread. If we wish to single someone out for his or her actions we typically contact them via PM or through the infraction system. I do not know what you have been told or what you read, but nobody was in trouble for using the word in this case. As far as I can see, he didn't even use it.

    As far as what happened after the PSA, that is between the member and the moderation team. I personally won't discuss it just like I wouldn't discuss something that happened between you and any of our staff.
  8. real0325

    real0325 Well-Known Member

    Would've been nice to know that at first ,when it should've been addressed . So no need for flaming red words, and enjoying my gs3 on xda. "Razor Max!" What a joke, goodbye .
  9. blaze413

    blaze413 Well-Known Member

    Dude should of never been banned, just like half my shit should of never been edited or "cleaned".. This isnt ****ing wholesomefamilysite.com.. as sure as I am that this will be deleted I gotta say calm the **** down with the nazi protocol
  10. EarlyMon

    EarlyMon The PearlyMon Moderator

    This is a privately owned site with rules that you agreed to. Those include harsh language.

    In addition, while everyone is going on about the mods, the truth is that he was referred to our boss, Phases, immediately.

    It's fun to stand up to the man but it's more appropriate to get the facts right before accusing anyone else of being Nazis.

    And decent language just makes the forums more fun for everyone.
  11. OfTheDamned

    OfTheDamned The Friendly Undead VIP Member

    Perhaps I am taking this the wrong way, but I'm getting the impression that you think we (mods) are out to get you. That somehow this is an Us Vs You type of scenario. All I can tell you is that you have it wrong.

    My "flaming red words", as you described, I assume that you are referring to my last post that directed you to this thread. I made my words red so that they would be seen. When I post, my signature always shows (on my screen) so I was making the words red so that they were noticed. I apologize if they came across as angry or overbearing as this was not my intention. I simply wished for the thread to return to its original topic and for all of this to be where it needs to be. I removed the red so that nobody else would get the wrong impression.

    With regards to "knowing this first" I'll again make the assumption that you are referring to my above post. I have to ask you when it would have been good to know? When did anyone, before MrDangerous did, actually ask a question? When did anyone calmly speak with any Mod or Admin questioning the use of the word? I can tell you from what I am reading that that never happened. There was simply an immediate overreaction by several members. Not once did anyone ask for clarification.

    I'm not sure where the hostility comes from, but I can tell you it is misdirected.
  12. blaze413

    blaze413 Well-Known Member

    Look I know there is a level of respect that should be given and expected, we are (for the most part) all adults. I am in no way trying to start some forum mutiny or jus start baiting and dissin mods or anyone else.. Im just saying its kind of frustrating getting post after post deleted or moved. I appreciate this site and the outlet that it supplies to the android community but I dont think theres a need to be so stringent..
  13. megaghostgamer

    megaghostgamer Well-Known Member

    Oh boy. 0_0 dude your fighting with the wrong people for wrong reasons. I'd just drop it. Ive said my word and now I'm staying out.
  14. Phases

    Phases Community Manager Administrator

    I'm sorry a few of you are upset.

    This user sent me a rather rude PM going on about wanting to be banned and have his account deleted, etc. He was pretty hateful to the mods and posted out of line on public threads.

    He WORKED to get himself banned. We are always willing to work with people who are willing to work with us and talk things out, more so than we really need to be.

    And no blaze, this isn't lovingfamilystuff.com but we DO try to keep it halfway respectable. Posts like yours are not only rude but a direct insult to people who have to come through and read that junk to get your message.

    This is not the place that. Do you speak like that in public, in real life too? You may - and if that's the case I'm sorry for the people around you.
    And yes, I realize the rules say some amount of that is fine. And it is, when it's not being hateful and rude toward someone we try to let it slide. Has the amount of what we let slide vs not shifted a bit over time? Yes, and that's something we may want to look further in or adjust the rules - but regardless the key is whether or not you're trying to be nasty.
    Edit: Further, he's creating multiple accounts and stirring stuff up, rather than doing so to try to talk to us reasonably to fix things. None of this is helping and isn't something I'm open to NOT adding to the pile of reasons he's should not be back.
  15. MrDangerous

    MrDangerous Well-Known Member

    There was a thread, I don't remember which where scary alien reprimanded him for using the word troll.
  16. Phases

    Phases Community Manager Administrator

    Yes, I believe because he posted:
    "And as for the mods, troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll"
    ..right after a mod posted a PSA and asked everyone to please avoid the usage. Openly taunting the mods? Generally not the best course of action to display your disagreement.
  17. imnotmikal

    imnotmikal Well-Known Member Developer

    Wow.

    I'm a close friend of D2A, so I've seen both sides of this story.

    All I'll say is that this is most un-professional, lying, scheming forum I've ever been a part of. To lie to your members like you are about D2A's multiple account and behavior, it sickens me. He hasn't created multiple accounts to "stir things up," he's done it continue support for the device that he developing for.

    I could point out many instances where users went on the same type of rant that D2A did, but I don't care enough.

    Anyway, I doubt anyone will see this before the mods/admins "clean" my post to hide the truth.

    You mods and admins should be ashamed of yourselves.
    That being said, I must sadly bid this forum farewell, I cannot be a part of such a corrupt forum.
  18. dautley

    dautley VIP Member VIP Member

    I have known D2A since the Ally days. While the guy has talent as a developer, I know he can come off as rather crass to some.

    On the one Hand:
    While I like D2A, everybody has to live in the rules and guidelines they agree to when using this site or it would be total chaos.

    On the other Hand:
    When a Developer gets himself kicked a lot of users (part of the LG Community in this case) are left feeling that the forum staffs egos are more important than forum members phones.

    This is unfortunately a losing situation for D2A, the staff, and the LG Community caught off guard all of a sudden with no support.


    I've changed some minds on things several times so I know Phases and the staff are willing to keep a open mind and work with people as long as it's kept mutually respectful on line. Also you can express how you really feel through back channels as long as your willing to take the final answer after you've argued your case and know when to quit.
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  19. Phases

    Phases Community Manager Administrator

    Well, I'm sorry you don't agree with me. We are quite professional here, and treat everyone with respect and give them the chances they deserve. Are we perfect? Well no, but who is. We try.

    I believe he did create other accounts and post about our "butt hurt".

    If other users have gone on the same type of rant to the same degree, with the same sent to mods and myself, they should have been treated accordingly. Please remember, we rely on reports to come in, and we have 20 moderators who work at their discretion if not as a team.

    I'm not looking to argue with anyone, though. This user asked for what he got. We are not "hiding" anything, and I'm sorry you feel that way. I'm not ashamed of myself or the mods, I am actually quite proud of the staff we have and the HARD work they do.
  20. hollywoods14

    hollywoods14 Well-Known Member

    Wow, this got crazy pretty quickly. I do understand rules are rules, and he did kind of ask for it. He has, however, become an integral part of our dev team for our small but strong community. He has made huge strides for us in trying to bring CM9 to our device. So he isnt the most proper person and has an attitude, no big deal IMHO. Isn't things like these who make us our own individual person? I am here as part of the Android community, to learn and share knowledge and experiences. I enjoy learning about my device and doing mods and upgrades. D2A contributes a lot to the developement of a few of the devices covered on this forum. Although a little bit of a handful he is a great member of this forum to have. I find his rants and ' sticking up to the man' to be humorous, but that is just me. A temporary ban i can understand he was a little out of control, i do not feel he should have a permanent ban. He does to much for the android community.
  21. Phases

    Phases Community Manager Administrator

    As much as he may do, he is bound to the rules just as everyone else is. Everyone is expected to treat people around them with respect. Are you suggesting if someone does enough work, they can fly off the handle all they want and they are then allowed to litter the community with whatever they want?

    Further, it's not as if he's never been given a chance. He has had several infractions in the past, including a 7 day temp ban.

    I will also say that more than a couple users have come back from "permanent" bans after a while to cool down and then talking things out with me. One is even on staff now.

    Believe it or not, we are not the problem here.
  22. Monkeyzluck

    Monkeyzluck Well-Known Member

    Just to not add fuel to the fire for D2A, I just want to go on the record stating that my driver for starting this thread was not any of the post by him or any of his subsequent handles. This is merely to show support for him as being one of pivotal Devs in the evolution of our android device.

    That being said, I hope you (mods) maintain the professional demeanor you speak of with regards to him and don't take the comments on this thread as fuel for continued dismissal. I fully understand that the only line of action for death to regain access to his account is through talking it over with you and coming to an understanding, this is solely meant to show are support as he has been very productive for our community in terms of developing, information, on topic debate,and general acts of communion to bring us together.

    Also I appreciate the thread being moved to a larger stage, but still hold that it belongs on the spectrum-all things foot forum since it a topic that directly effects the development of our phone.
  23. hollywoods14

    hollywoods14 Well-Known Member

    I myself never said you were, nor was i trying to imply such. I was just showing my support for him to be allowed back. I was tyring to do so in the most civil manner I could. I do not feel that the barrage of attacks on the mod team is the best way to go about trying to get a member back.

    This kind of says it all for me. He is welcome back, but its on his shoulders. I hope for all of our sakes this gets worked out. he has done great work so far and I i know the Spectrum community would like to see it continue.
  24. EarlyMon

    EarlyMon The PearlyMon Moderator

    We have some rules for modding, they're pretty simple, hopefully, what you'd expect -

    If you have a personal issue with someone, you turn anything concerning them over to the next available mod.

    If something reported or said is making you angry, you turn that over to the next available mod. (And too much of that is cause for a vacation or a change in mod status.)

    We're often accused of being angry. We're not. Maybe we sound like it if we speak in absolutes, but we try to only speak that way on rules. We don't make the rules, we're simply charged with helping folks follow them so the forums are the most fun for the most people here.

    I'll bet if you're like me, you can equate every rule here to a traffic rule. And the rules are a set of correctly spelled words that in the end all say the same exact thing, over and over - Please be polite. :)

    We're really not the crooked cops that rubber-hose people in back rooms. We're more like crossing guards, and reports to us are more like requests to help crossing the street in busy traffic. Except for the wildly obvious exceptions to that like outright piracy, fraud and spam - we're really that mild.

    And when we can see the complaint side as well as the community side, we try to post helpful public service announcements (PSA). We don't just invent when to do that - we do that because one or more members of the community have complained. And we try for that only when private messages aren't enough or would seem hostile coming from us. We hate making PSAs as much as many of you hate seeing them, but sometimes it's our best tool.

    Some believe that we should PM everything. I once PM'd another member that they had a nice avatar - I thought it was pretty cool. It took four PMs to settle that I wasn't being sarcastic or giving an infraction or anything.

    Moderators are members first, foremost and last. We do a temporary, voluntary job, and we're all aware that we may stop being mods at any time, so we like to think that we're clever enough to not put ourselves above any of our fellow members.

    No one can know all of the details of this case because other members were involved and we won't discuss that - we are charged with protecting privacy, too, so that's that.

    I would like to point out that this is the second thread like this where people insist that we're going to bury evidence or hide their posts or something. And yet, they remain here, just as they did in the last one of these that cropped up. So, maybe that says something about what bad guys we're not.

    This month, we're all dressing up as vampires. (I get to be the vampire hunter! :)) Next time, it might be funny hats.

    No one intended to get anyone and none of us are down with or get hostility.

    If you have questions about us or our processes - please ask. You can do it here, by PM or if you want to chat with the lot of us, please start a thread in our Private Chats with Staff forum.

    Cheers, thanks for listening! :)
  25. droid-man

    droid-man Well-Known Member

    Isn't it funny how people will gladly hide behind the anonymity of a forum or email and say things that they wouldn't probably never say to your face. I've been doing this (email, forums and such) kind of stuff since the early 1980's (yep, I'm old...) and early on realized that the safest and least embarrassing thing to do if you get your dander up about something is, before you hit "send", to write it down elsewhere, look it over several times and think about whether you would like someone to act like that towards you.

    As a footnote: if I invite you into my house and you act like an ass I will throw you out...
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