ICS leak .247 for Bionic (Dead End)General


  1. johnlgalt

    johnlgalt Antidisestablishmentarian VIP Member

    No, it has been stated more than once that the reason ICS was delayed was to avoid all of the issues that sprung up when they released ICS for the RAZR. This merely facilitates the eventual upgrade to JB when they finish working on JB as a final product for our phones. The fact that they included it in this leak, though, makes me (and many others) actually believe that JB is now a reality on these phones, although most of us are hedging our bets as to *WHEN* we'll actually see it.
  2. wildkitten

    wildkitten Well-Known Member

    You are very right about it being the original delay. However, after 2 months one would think they would have gotten the Razr's ICS bugs fixed (and could it be that the Razr's ICS bugs were caused by things Verizon required?) as well as the Bionic's ICS finished. And with several successful leaks that so many of you praise, and I believe you all about how good they are, it seems as if it's ready to go as far as being stable.

    While I know I could be completely wrong, I can't help believe that now that Google owns Motorola's mobile division that they may very well be trying to use that increased strength to get Verizon to change some things, like getting rid of included bloatware or making it so we can uninstall it and not being required for an update. I think the fact that the ICS leaks allow freezing of bloatware is one indication that this is a real possibility cause I can't believe Verizon likes that idea.

    As far as JB, I actually am optomistic that once Google gets Verizon to approve ICS on the Bionic we won't have to wait long on JB. I think Google wants to end the fragmentation of Android and what better way to set the example than on their own phones.
  3. dautley

    dautley VIP Member VIP Member

    You would think I'm changing the subject every time this is brought up wildkitten, I have heard these rumors but would think the negotiations of two major companies (if they exist on these issues) wouldn't hold hostage the bionic OTA. Moto and Verizon are still adding new phones all the time.
    If any of this ever was a leak, it's a well placed one by someone with a purpose.
  4. dautley

    dautley VIP Member VIP Member

    +500 to John!! :)
  5. wildkitten

    wildkitten Well-Known Member

    Like I said, I could be completely wrong, just seems weird that our ICS hasn't been released yet with all these versions of leaks that seem to work so well, as well as the Razr's ICS fix being delayed as well. I was thinking of what many have said about the ability to freeze bloatware in ICS and Verizon maybe not liking it and both are sticking to their positions.
  6. wildkitten

    wildkitten Well-Known Member

    Honestly, if Google is fighting to have Verizon make their bloatware uninstallable and not required for updates, then I would be very happy for it. To me that's not punishing us for what you said, but rather standing up for us.

    The fact is Google needs to do this with carriers to get the same deal as Apple has. Apple doesn't allow it, and they don't have to get carrier approval to send out updates. Could you imagine if Microsoft had to go through Dell and HP and Acer and all of the computer manufacturers to allow them to send Windows Updates to people? Everyone would hate that.
  7. BigRedGonzo

    BigRedGonzo Well-Known Member

    I BELIEVE you are correct, but I am absolutely positive that as soon as ICS drops, there will be immediate posts complaining and whining about the delay in getting JB!!

    BigRedGonzo
  8. Thom

    Thom Premium Guide Member Guide

    I have to disagree ... the complaining and whining has already started.

    ... Thom
  9. BigRedGonzo

    BigRedGonzo Well-Known Member

    You, Sir, are correct. I stand corrected.

    BigRedGonzo
  10. dautley

    dautley VIP Member VIP Member

    The big deal for me is that Bionic has always been marketed by both Verizon and Motorola as ICS ready or ICS compatible giving a perception that it would get ICS sooner rather than later, and here we are over a year later. No such promises were made about Jelly Bean.
  11. Thom

    Thom Premium Guide Member Guide

    The quote was about JB and not ICS.

    ... Thom
  12. Lars

    Lars Well-Known Member

    In the ten years that I have had Verizon smartphones, one thing stands true. They are the slowest on updates of all the carriers, but they do release eventually.

    I had a Samsung i500 that was out of off the radar for years. I only used it as a world phone occasionally. One day magically there was a new update for it. Of course, like many Samsung phones, this update bricked it, but the point is that some phones get updates long after they aren't "officially" supported anymore.
  13. wildkitten

    wildkitten Well-Known Member

    To be honest Thom, I haven't seen any whining or complaining about getting or not getting JB. I've seen people talk about whether we will or not and be hopeful we will and speculate if we will go straight to JB, but that is far from whining and complaining.

    I myself hope we get JB. Let's be honest, the Bionic can more than support it hardware wise. I also believe Google needs to be very proactive with the phones that are the product of the company they now own (Motorola) because of the fragmentation in the Android community and needs to be a leader showing that hey, if a phone can support it, put it on there.

    Of course it's tougher for Google because each manufacturer has to present an OS build to the carrier for approval, something Apple doesn't have to do, and there are many many manufacturers whereas no one but Apple does iOS.

    But while I (and others) wish for JB, no one was promised JB on the Bionic. I was however promised ICS for the Bionic and will complain about not getting it, but as I said before, speculating and wishing for JB isn't complaining.
  14. Lars

    Lars Well-Known Member

    That's a good point about Motorola and Google. Also Blur has become a pretty lightweight platform so I would guess most of it revolves around getting the hardware to play nice with Android AOSP. We can only hope that Moto phones will someday be Nexus rated.
  15. wildkitten

    wildkitten Well-Known Member

    I'm not understanding what you mean by "Nexus rated". No, the Bionic doesn't have an AMOLED screen, but hardware wise it's a very good phone still and I actually like the screen as much as I do an AMOLED screen.

    Yes, we on the Bionic still have our 4G data issues, but let's not forget, so did the Nexus (and at one point all VZW 4G phones), and we are in the unfortunate position of having the patch that fixes these issues being included in our ICS release, at least it seems that way considering how ICS seems to have cleared those issues up for people that have installed it.
  16. dautley

    dautley VIP Member VIP Member

    I think what he means by "Nexus rated" is approved by Google, a stock vanilla Google OS, and Google handles the OTA's
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  17. wildkitten

    wildkitten Well-Known Member

    Is that true even with Nexus's purchased through the carrier or just the unlocked ones off the Play market? And if it covers the ones at the carrier as well, does that mean that the Nexus that VZW sells doesn't have Verizon bloatware?
  18. Lars

    Lars Well-Known Member

    Exactly. If you follow the Rom'ing peeps do to get AOSP running on a Moto or any non Nexus phone, you will see that there is much tweaking needed to get things like BT and camera working. Many of the drivers are proprietary and not open source. Moto and such write them special to fit their hardware. I'm not implying anything about the quality or capability of the hardware. After all a Bionic outperforms previous AOSP phones like the Nexus and Google G1 etc phones.
  19. SamuriHL

    SamuriHL Well-Known Member

    So I'm predicting the week of October 22 for ICS ota and it's my belief that it'll be 247. That build came out of nowhere and surprised a bunch of people. Kudos for moto on it though as it's one less update we'll have to wait for later. I'd expect to see jb in January sometime. The thing people don't get is that moto unified the ics builds across the razr d4 and bionic. This makes future updates far easier. JB won't be such a clustermess as ics has been. Hang in there... We're almost there.
  20. lewwill

    lewwill Well-Known Member

    Based on my reading of other forums to doubt Sam is folly (and can lead to a katana strike). He has a real handle on this subject but I do hope he is being conservative on the release date for ICS. A week earlier would be much better.:D
    Lew
  21. SamuriHL

    SamuriHL Well-Known Member

    I might even be slightly optimistic in that date, but, I hope not at this point. I think Moto figured that with the Atrix 2 ICS OTA pushing out, they had a window of opportunity to get one last ICS build done for Bionic. That pushes our date back a little but in the end is a positive thing as we won't have to have another build between now and the JB update. So a minor delay now (and really, given all the delays up to this point plus _11_ ICS builds so far, what's another week or two?) with a potential big gain later. I'd say the trade off is worth it if it solves an issue for us down the road.
  22. dautley

    dautley VIP Member VIP Member

    November 31st! :)
  23. dautley

    dautley VIP Member VIP Member

    I'm plugged into the Matrix, was wondering why everything has a green tint to it.....
  24. johnlgalt

    johnlgalt Antidisestablishmentarian VIP Member

    You might be on to something there about the freezing of VZW apps and whatnot. I know that some but not all of the VZW apps are easily frozen, but there is also that stupid CallerID thing that cannot be frozen unless you run the app and decline to use it - at which point it freezes itself. Backup Assistant is another - 1 module can be frozen but the other two cannot. (I am not counting rooted methods of freezing because with root damn near anything is freezable).

    I owuld put a lot more stock in these rumors than you think.

    :p

    See what I wrote above. But there is more to it than that. We're so far behind the curve that the Moto Devs are working hard to bring us ahead of hte game with this latest leak.

    There were plenty of computers that were labeled as Vista ready back in the day. I do not want a repeat of that (kind of a) fiasco lol.

    But, yeah, I feel your pain. If I had not been brave enough to jump on new leaks like I was, I'd be one pretty frustrated brown smurf right now....

    More recently, the Motorola DROID (OG) also got an update a full 2 years after release.

    While that is a logical conclusion, there has been plenty of whining about not getting JB, mainly b/c it has taken this long to get ICS....

    Let me put it this way: Blur is so lightweight on my phone in the ICS leaks that I haven't put a ROM on here since the first ICS leak was released. I've even tried Nova Launcher (Prime) and LPP (Premium) and even Apex launcher (Premium) - non of them are as fast and as nice as stock Blur. Of course, since with ICS I can create groups of apps on the fly, it's a lot easier to maintain access to apps I use all the time by way of groups in the dock *AND* the "frequently used" folder in Blur. Anything else I just search for.

    I'm betting tha we see JB leaks right after Thanksgiving. And I say .247 is not final b/c the patches were written by a dev in Kor and need to be edited for CDT.

    He's been wrong before lol.... Insider info is only as good as the companies making the decisions....and they can change their minds in 2.3 nanoseconds.
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  25. SamuriHL

    SamuriHL Well-Known Member

    Yup, I don't have any relation to any of the companies involved. I have a couple sources of info but EVERYTHING is subject to change. That's why when people ask me if I can guarantee such and such build will become OTA I simply roll my eyes. No build is OTA until it is. EVERY build is potentially an OTA build until it isn't. As for the Kor thing I wouldn't be surprised if we see a lot more dev come out of there given the announcement today that Google's laying off even more people. That's not a sign that it won't be an OTA build. We need to see what's on the QA4 server....and keep an eye on it.
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