Last Updated: Sep 23,2011
Steve who started Cyanogen now works for Samsung as well
My GPS issues were never resolved on the Epic for over a year. Froyo fixed nothing. It made other things worse on the Epic. Those are facts.
Now for some personal opinion...
I just got a Motorola Photon 4g. It's light years better in every way from my old Epic. The construction is solid. The software worked properly straight out of the box. It got it's first update just weeks after it's release. And that update actually fixed an issue without messing up anything else.
The Epic feels like plastic junk in my hand. A key snapped off last week from the physical keyboard simply from sliding it open. The micro usb port got loose on that Epic within weeks of owning it to the point that I had to use my old LG Rumor 2 charger to charge the Epic because the Epic would no longer hold the Epic's charger cord long enough to charge. As far as that phone that I owned, I can say that the hardware was crap. That was my second Epic. My first Epic was destroyed from within by a botched Froyo update that they pulled after some of us unlucky Epic owners found that the update created major problems. They made us wait months for the final "fixed" version of the Froyo OTA update. After that first Epic got the second Froyo update, the screen stared to flicker. Then the screen became unresponsive to touch such that the phone was rendered useless.
I decided since there was even a possibility that the Nexus Prime might get produced by Samsung, I would take a pass for now. I got the Motorola Photon 4g after that key snapped off of my Epic for no reason last week and I couldn't be happier.
I can say that I've become biased against Samsung over the past year, for good reasons. I wasted $249 on a crappy Samsung product that caused me to waste my time to try to get my problems fixed on it. This is my experience of Samsung from 2010 to 2011.
Oh, and Epic owners are still waiting for Gingerbread. I'm not sure they'll get it soon or that it will fix anything on the Epic. And Android is moving to Ice Cream anyway. My Photon shipped with Gingerbread and I have confidence that I'll see Honeycomb and Ice Cream.
I sincerely hope that Samsung has gotten it's act together for the Nexus Prime if they are producing it. I'm not banking on it.
I'm Sorry you feel this way about your Epic. My Epic is rooted and running a custom ROM. My GPS actually worked after Froyo (leaked one from last December) it works great, I'm glad I spent the $250, I'm very satisfied with it
They already got their acts together starting with SGSII several months ago. Nexus Prime will only get better from that and Google is behind its OS/apps for even more peace of mind.
Definitely getting it. I've had the Nexus One since the day after it came out. Sent to my home not even 24 hours after it's release on next day delivery....the specs on this and it being a Google phone will always draw me in.
Before I knew the GSII was not to be on Verizon I lurked on a few UK GSII forums and noted all the firmware updates they were getting to correct a few things so it looks like they have improved on that point, at least in the UK.
I also read a lengthy review with videos on the GPS that seemed to work great. The reviewer did mention how the original GS was lacking in the GPS function and the GSII was much improved.
I'll be willing to give it at least a heavy 13 day workout.
I will only get it if its LTE. No LTE then I will pass and get the Vigor or Bionic. Or may just wait until next year to see what drops.
There's no way...no WAY in hell this thing isn't a 4G phone. I just don't see it happening.
If ICS moves to software buttons, how are they going to prevent the buttons from burning into the screen, assuming they go with an AMOLED type of screen? They're constantly on in Honeycomb.
I'm picking up what you're throwing down but until I see facts, this is all speculation. I dont make decisions based upon assumptions.
If the Nexus Prime does actually come to Verizon as the phone that we all expect a "Nexus" to be and it doesn't have LTE, Google and Samsung will have made the most colossally pig-headed mistake in years. I HIGHLY doubt it.
Also, the feeling is that Verizon passed on the SGSII because of a better option down the road. I don't think they were referring to the Vigor. If the Prime isn't LTE, I fail to see what superiority it would have over the SGSII, other than screen.
And judging by the decision to release the garbage screen on the Bionic, they wouldn't pass on the SGSII in favor of a better display.
Nope, I'd bet a foot of my intestines that Prime will have LTE.
Its a Nexus phone...Ofcourse Ill buy it....Nuff said.
I hear you, and that makes sense on many levels, but I wouldn't get your hopes up. Almost everyone, including me, was so sure that the Nexus S would be dual core, setting the stage for developers to take advantage of dual cores in Android. It made sense for development reference, it made sense time-wise (the Tegra 2 had been in tablets for over half a year, so it was certainly possible to choose Tegra 2 for mobile), and it was all the buzz, so when it was announced and turned out to be the same chipset as the galaxy S lineup, people were really disappointed.
Some reasons I can see them NOT doing LTE is battery life, limited LTE network coverage (especially on at&T) and (unless the new, built in, tiny LTE modem thing is available) I don't think Samsung or Google would want to push a fatter phone when slim phones seem all the rage.
...I'm not saying that I think it won't be LTE either, but after last year's disappointments, I'm just warning you not to get your hopes up!
Would Samsung OR Verizon replace an LTE device with a non-LTE device? Has it been done? Samsung Prime is superceding Droid Charge... so I'm 99.9% sure this will be an LTE phone.
There's no such thing as certainty. Verizon told us when Bionic would come out, and it sure didn't happen that way. But add me to the list of people who think it's 98% sure it'll have LTE, not least because of Chief's observation that they couldn't possibly follow the LTE Charge w/non-LTE Prime.
I must respectfully disagree.
Putting the Nexus on Verizon would be a major leap forward in expected sales. It will be distributed to the largest, most reliable network in the United States, and visibility will be through the roof, especially if it carries the DROID moniker. Now, if they release it on Verizon without LTE, you can bet your breeches that any expected high sales will falter immediately. An extremely small number of people would choose a non-LTE device sitting on the same floor as a Bionic and a Vigor. Even among us fine tech folk, who want the Prime mainly because of ICS (and most people neither care a bit about ICS nor even know what it is), only a small number would buy it if it had no LTE.
Also, I walked into Verizon yesterday and picked up the Bionic. I mean that most literally; I didn't not buy the horrid thing, rest assured. But upon turning it over in my hand, I will tell you that I was surprised by how thin the bloody thing was! No, it was not on par with, say, an iPhone. But it was thin, I tell you, thin! It was bloody marvelous.
If Samsung cannot do the same with an LTE device, it has no business being in, well, business.
And please forgive the slightly British flavor of this post. I'm rather in a mood after watching a portion of the Lord of the Rings trilogy today. I shall finish it on the morrow, I expect.
Well, I picked up a Bionic to replace my OG Droid (love everything about it, even Blur!, cept the screen of course). My plan was to get the Prime with my wife's upgrade and swap with her (she's already said the Bionic is too big for her, and I said the Prime is even bigger so it should be cool). Anyway, my biggest concern is with Samsungs build qualities. Both my wife and I have dropped our Droids countless times (usually on concrete) and neither screens have a scratch. Neither of us use cases or screen protectors either. Well, she dropped our GT 10.1 (with a Belkin case, no SP) from the bed onto our wood floor. Screen completely shattered. That guy is supposedly sporting Gorilla Glass, but I'm skeptical. I'm just a bit worried about Sammy phones at this point. I hate cases and will never use a screen protector, especially on what is supposed to be a huge phone.
Gorilla Glass protects against scratching, not cracking. For example, if you drop a phone with Gorilla Glass from about 4 feet, it may or may not break. But it won't scratch. I don't know if that makes sense to you. There are just different forces at work. Scratches are different from blunt trauma and will cause different results.
I think, but I'm not sure, that all Sammy high-end phones have Gorilla Glass. I think all of the major manufacturers do nowadays.
I don't think that's true. You're right that scratching and shattering are different forces, but I'm pretty sure advanced phone glass designs are meant to protect against both.
It's hard to say, as Corning's GG pages don't mention some devices thought to contain GG. No Droid Charge?
Also, Dragontrail is a new competitor. Weirdly about half their news coverage spells it "Dragontail" which is more intuitive than the real name.
Not to drag this out, but I can't believe there's anything that is both scratch proof AND break/shatter proof. Although I can't scratch a diamond with a steel awl, I can definitely break the thing with a steel hammer. Diamond is supremely hard and has the ability to scratch all other minerals. It is, however, quite fragile and can be split along a number of directions within the crystal with comparative ease.
I don't think Gorilla Glass claims to be shatter-proof. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong (preferably with a link), but I've never seen that anywhere.
Sorry to hear what happened to your tab 10.1. But remember that tablet is much larger and heavier than phone. So even with gorilla glass it can be shattered with such dropping. Even if you dropped Xoom or Eee Pad, it can happen I think.
But phone is much lighter and smaller, so chance of it getting shattered is much less. I saw someone testing durability of original SGS last year with a lot of dropping, throwing and even scratching with ball pen and he couldn't make even a tiny damage to SGS gorilla glass. He could make scratch only with sharp knife. So I'm not worried on screen durability of high end samsung phones.
Following the Bionic forums, it seems like 15+ hours in 4G claim by Yoda was totally fake. He claimed Moto has refined firmwares, LTE radio chip over and over and finally it's getting superior 4G battery life than other LTE phones. Realistically it's more like 8 hours under moderate usage and nearly half of that under heavy use. I hope Samsung does better job than that in Prime.
I'm thinking if the battery life is the same on the Bionic and Prime the Sammy will still be the one to get eh?
As I laugh like But-head and Beavis.
I hope Samsung will have better battery life, but we also have to remember that running a full HD screen will eat up some life. Also, we probably won't see any huge leaps in battery life improvement until the Krait 28nm chipsets come out next year.
If I can get 12 hours under moderate use with the Prime, I'll be one happy camper. If it's less than that, I think the HD screen and ICS will more than make up for it. Extended batteries will be my friend.
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