Illegal Immigration simply cannot be tolerated any longer.


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  1. Adamx

    Adamx Well-Known Member This Topic's Starter

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    I'm a pretty hardcore liberal democrat. Have been forever. Don't vote too often. Last time I voted was for John Kerry. But I live in kansas, so it doesn't really get counted anyways.

    There was a time, specifically back in high school debate class where I was taught to believe that illegal immigrants while slightly naughty, were well meaning, english fluent, honest, hard working, fairly paid, tax paying people working jobs that white people wouldn't.

    Oh how wrong I was. While I've always felt my pro illegal stance was on shakey ground, it wasn't until I moved to a city that is a haven for illegal immigrants until I learned what they are really like. Not all of them, probably not even most. But enough. They've ruined the town I now have to live in (for job reasons I don't have a choice).

    They've brought the mexican drug cartel's presence here. Most of them either don't speak english or lack the common decency to use it when in public. They work all manner of jobs despite very poor english skills. Jobs that actual legal americans would love to work. Their kids are all permanently legal now, but don't worry, they will be taught spanish and mexican pride, and will never feel american.

    For the population size and average wages earned, the town keeps very little income, because so much of it is getting sent back across the border. The town is relatively poor. A casino has been put up recently that has recaptured some of this money. Of course that money still won't go back to the community at large.

    There's tons of mexican restaurants, all of them crap. Everywhere you go, the signs cater to non-english speakers. Is this really what we should encourage? What if there were 5 different languages spoken commonly? Should every sign put up have 5 translations? It's ridiculous, just learn the friggin language?!

    It's honestly disgusting how my own party... no, the entire government past and present, does nothing about this to try to garner votes from the hispanic populace, and line the pockets of big business with cheap labor that is easily intimidatable, easy to keep out of unions, and can be underpaid.

    The democratic party is supposed to be about the common man and his struggle. Tax the rich if you want. But don't starve the poor because you want a few extra votes. Protect our jobs, protect a unified system of communication, and protect our communities from drug cartels. FFS guys.
     

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  2. ZDroid1

    ZDroid1 Well-Known Member

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    The crazy thing about this is that it's a "controversial" issue. Where's the controversy? Does this country not have laws that we have to follow?

    The other crazy part is that there's a "debate" about the solution. We all agree that regardless of what we end up doing with the illegal immigrants already here, we need to stop the problem from happening by preventing the new ones from coming. So why not start there?

    Thirdly, a lot of demonstrators against the Arizona law were holding Mexican flags. To me, that seemed like a challenge rather than an appeal to the state government to reconsider its stance. They might as well be showing us their middle finger.
     
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    TheBeardedMann Well-Known Member

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    I agree with you, you silly right wing conservative hate filled racist. Ha ha! Just messing with ya!
     
  4. itk231

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    You seem to be very racist. Your argument was against Mexicans, not illegal immigrants, you never mentioned immigration. Stop being a xenophobe and grow up.
     
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    if he's racist then you're un American. Un American for trying to disguise a real issue with the guise of racism. We all know there are most illegal Hispanics here then any other nationality. Just sayin, that's all.
     
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    Hahaha, un-american? How are you qualified to decide that?
     
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    Adam, I use to have a similar problem as you. Then I realized that Fox news is a network specifically designed to make you think our country is coming to an end and its all Obamas fault, or the mexicans, hell I think Bill Orielly pegged Jennifer Aniston as a threat to America because her new movie promotes single parent hood. Take a step back, realize that this problem has been ongoing for DECADES and while we do need to make changes its all gonna be ok!
     
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    Fox News targets mostly white Americans who long for the days when "white meant right," and feeds viewers who need daily reminders of the company line and lists of whom to hate.

    The network has been ejaculating anti-muslim hate for the last week, along with those Republican office holders, seekers, and commentators. In previous times, they would have been those charming folks in Europe who blamed the Jews for all their troubles.

    Fearmongering is an easy achievement for the GOP. It has the right audience for it, and it makes it unnecessary to come up with any working solutions for the problems we face.
     
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    I like how nobody addressed his specific points and circumstances but instead attacked Fox news and called him a racist. Madness.
     
  12. WAdude

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    Thats because most, as in 99.99999999% (dont go on the internet looking for an exact number please) of illegal immigrants are Mexicans. And to be honest, the only reason they come here illegaly is because liberals shield them with the whole ''your a racist'' thing
     
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    I think it's more likely because it's convinently the neighbouring country, and also on economic grounds, despite not being welcome; if they merely want to be shielded from racism surely they just stay in Mexico?
     
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    HEY GUYS.....

    A Little Background -
    I'm an immigrant. My mom and dad moved to U.S 35 yrs ago. My dad came to U.S legally, and so did my mom and I. He worked his butt off for last 40 yrs, had a govt. Job, from which he retired. He lives well off, but that's cuz he worked all his life, and never depended on govt. help. Most of our family that lives in U.S now, are all very highly qualified and live among the higher class.

    In our entire family, we have never had an illegal immigrant. And just FYI we are waaaay American. We are Americans at heart, and this is now our country, and we contribute to America's Success... So, why am I telling you all this? Cuz we HATE illegals in this country. Our politicians need to put and end to this. Every country has it's border security - funny thing - America does not! How weird! I'm all for pro legal stuff. So, who's listening to us...............
     
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    Yeah, thats the thing, its like nowadays its all about not offending everyone and this and that. That needs to stop, the problem with illegal immigration is its a slap to the face for the legal immigrants that came here and did as your family did.
     
  16. novice_x

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    Our current system most def seems to reward people taking a shortcut. I personally was not trying to call him racist, the video I posted was just...funny! Its a massive problem I just am very conflicted as the solution. It makes me sick to think about building a wall, with modern technology surely that idea is obsolete. Set up a network of monitoring stations, fly some drones etc... From there it takes WAY to long, and entirely too much money to come here legally immigration reform is a must. As for the people who are already here, I dunno
     
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    This is the defense all of the illegal mexican immigrants use.

    It's hilarious. And a terrible argument.

    Yes, 99% of illegals are mexicans. Look at a map and get over it.
     
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    I don't think anything will be done. The powers that be would have done something by now.. but they obviously have another plan. And it doesn't include stopping illegal immigration.
     
  19. avacomputers

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    Instead of hating people why don't you try to learn some math. Your dad came here 35 years ago, but worked his government job for 40 years. Lol
     
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    Perhaps he worked here on a green card, or maybe not all those 40 years were for the government as there was a comma separating those two items.
     
  21. Xman007

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    Oh Geez, thanks for correcting me! You know, it was about 4 decades ago when my dad came (Legallay, cuz he was a top notch Engineer). So sorry if I just said it out loud and didn't do the math right :rolleyes:. Yeah, he was like 25 yrs or so when he came. And now he's retired as a Civil Engineer from the City of San Francisco, with good benefits, pension, retirement, etc & owns 4 houses. Yeah, he worked for his American dream (I wanna be just like him, and so should you be teaching your kids to be like). Hard work, determination, and sacrifices is not easy. And my mom also worked in a hospital as dietician, and is now also retired.

    And I was not making FUN of anyone (until now), I was simply saying I'm highly against the "illegal immigration", just like I'm against anything illegal, or illegal crimes. Then again, crime is never legal - at least not in U.S, right?! Does the term "illegal" mean anything to you? It has to do with the National Security of ANY country, it has to do with the Financial stability of ANY country, and the LAW of the Land. IF you can't understand what that means - you're part of the Problem then! :rolleyes: If you still can't understand that, try breaking into someone's house "illegally", and see how you get welcomed! I'm sure some people have good self-defense measures for any such illegal welcome! :D
     
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    Dude, you don't know me. I'm 27 years old and own my own home, car and work hard. 12 hours or more per day for my own company. What could be closer to the american dream. And I'll be teaching my kids that money doesn't matter if we can't love and accept our fellow man. Black, white, or mexican. That's what you should be teaching your kids.
     
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    Of Course! I never said anything to contest that! All I said was I hate "illegals". Whether they are of ANY race or color, or background. An illegal IS an illegal, and there's NOTHING LEGAL about THAT! I don't care if they're from Mexico, India, Pakistan, England, Ireland, Germany, or what ever.... OUR Border Security & System, and Politicians have to tie a SECURE rope around the system, which can't be broken. Or else we are at the mercy of the world and terrorism, etc!

    Other countries won't let an illegal immigrant in their country, yet we give them "rights" in America. How's that? That's like saying if someone Broke into YOUR house, put you, your family at danger... and HE has rights... I don't think so!
     
  24. avacomputers

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    I agree that something must br done about our broken immigration system. Fix this problem once and for all. We shouldn't hate illegal immigrants. Some of them are hard working people. Let's instead hate the act of illegal immigration. And let's hope our government acts soon.
     
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    While he is working on his math, you should take a reading comprehension class. I have worked for 9 years and have a government job also. Wait a min though, I haven't worked for the government for 9 years... how did that happen? Oh that
     

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