Two things i know for sure. Google has the Passion in its hands. Im holding out for the release. Right now I am using a Mytouch...I like it, but the screen is way to small, for me. I checked out the droid and really it didnt blow me away, AND I dont want/need a keyboard. We are already in December..so if we all figure its a holiday or right after release than I say wait. We are talking three months tops. I am guessing that and i dont have any real information about release. I have begged for more information from my sources, but everyone is being tight lipped..except for the FACT they have it and its coming out....and my source is top level, not stock room.