Internal storage discussion (apps, errors)Support

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  1. EarlyMon

    EarlyMon The PearlyMon Moderator

    Kids? LoL I started on 8" floppies with CP/M, had to wait for the five and a quarters.

    Believe it or not, last year when I checked, the Z80 still hadn't died off yet.

  2. Gary Friderichsohn

    Gary Friderichsohn Active Member

    Wow, you're a real dinosaur!

    What would a Z80 be used for today?
  3. EarlyMon

    EarlyMon The PearlyMon Moderator

    Among other things - programmable rice cookers. :D
  4. hootie

    hootie Active Member

    Read this over at Good and Evo:

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  5. Rose4uKy

    Rose4uKy Well-Known Member

    Well the EVO only had like 500mbs for apps and the 3D says 1.15GB so I'll take two. Cause I am low on space now but was planning on not putting as much stuff on the new phone. I have alot of apps I don't use and I can't even update apps now I have no space. So I'll take the 2 which is about double of what I have now knowing I am not putting every single app back on this new phone. But being able to move to phone storage like app to sd seems good. My Archos tablet was like that and I didn't know it. I thought since it had 16 gigs and then I ran out of app space quick. I now have the 32 gig Transformer Prime and I don't know how much is for apps only but It's been great so far. But i can't move apps to sd card on it. It has ICS.

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  6. mak916

    mak916 Well-Known Member

    What's the difference between internal storage and phone storage? I thought they were the same.
  7. PyroSporker

    PyroSporker Well-Known Member

    Evo 4G LTE Internal Memory Allocation:
    9.93GB - Phone Storage (internal but used like a MicroSD card/Mass Storage)
    2.09GB - Internal Storage (Applications)
    ~3GB or Remaining portion of 16GB after formatting - System Storage (Operating System and Sense files)
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  8. Citizen Coyote

    Citizen Coyote Well-Known Member

    That's pretty much how the MoPho works. For the most part it's not a big deal, but some apps won't recognize an SD card as a valid storage location. For example, Google Music will happily read any media files you have on the physical SD card, but if you buy anything it will go on to the phone's internal storage. I have yet to find a setting telling it to save to the actual SD card.

    Otherwise, as I said, not a big deal. Those apps (and pieces of apps) that refuse to move to the internal storage don't amount to a ton of space in general, unless you have hundreds of apps. :)
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  9. EarlyMon

    EarlyMon The PearlyMon Moderator

    Repeating info already stated, as a convenient wrap-up post -

    App space on -

    Evo 4G - 427 MB

    Evo 3D - 1.15 GB (about double an Evo)

    LTEvo - 2.09 GB (about double a 3vo, quadruple an Evo)

    The 9~10 GB of user space will show up on your favorite file browser (EStrongs, Astro) under the /sdcard folder (even though it's not really a physical sd card).

    The rest of the 16 GB is used by the operating system and necessary included apps (phone dialer for example), radio firmware and the bootloader.

    Again - nothing new here, just a wrap-up post. Hope it helps! :)
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  10. mak916

    mak916 Well-Known Member

    On the 9 to 10 GB of phone storage, what can be placed there? Can apps, music and pictures be placed there?
  11. EarlyMon

    EarlyMon The PearlyMon Moderator

    Exactly what can be placed on your Evo 3D's sd card. Music, pictures, vids, some app data.

    Some apps can moved there with apps2sd or the equivalent built-in.

    Many apps moved to the sd card will continue to store data into the 2GB apps area.

    Here's how a phone is laid out (very simplified version) in terms of partitions. They're just like partitions (or logical drives, if you will) on a PC hard disk. Instead of drive letters, they get folder names -

    • /boot
      • kernel goes here, it's not big
    • /system
      • Android, Sense, and included apps (when you open the box) go here
    • /data
      • your apps go here (this area is pretty rich, it's the 2 GB part of the LTEvo)
    • /sdcard
      • a physical sd card on most phones, but actually a reserved space of 9~10 GB from the 16 GB storage on the LTEvo
      • Android always expects to see this folder/area
      • acts just like the sd card on an Evo or 3vo
    • /cache
      • the operating system cache - ignore this, it doesn't concern you as a user as far as managing things go
    • various hidden areas
      • bootloader, radio firmware, etc - ignore this, it doesn't concern you as a user as far as managing things go
    • /sdcard/ext_sd or /sdcard2
      • if you install an actual sd card into the LTEvo, it will be accessed with either one of these names - both will exist, both are shortcut to the physical, removable sd card
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  12. mak916

    mak916 Well-Known Member

    Thanks, I understand it better now. I like how that works.
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  13. EarlyMon

    EarlyMon The PearlyMon Moderator

    By the way - Android apps are small. They're often less than 5 MB, up to 50 for the bigger ones.

    You can store hundreds of typical apps in 2 GB.

    The problem comes from games and lazy app developers. Not uncommon for those clowns to download 300, 400 MB or more to your internal app space for game data.

    Write them and let them know that you don't appreciate the Apple storage model, and that this is Android. Game data, like any app drawing a large data space, ought to go to your internal or external sd card, by your choice.

    2 GB is a huge application space allocation.

    But some devs are abusing you. ;)
  14. mak916

    mak916 Well-Known Member

    With the original EVO I was always watching my memory. With the 3VO and the Photon I don't worry about it as much. But my problem is I tend to be an app whore. lol. But I'm learning.
  15. crow11ad

    crow11ad Well-Known Member

    Loving the phone. But have a question as this maybe an I'v thing. When I dl an app, am I missing something as far as moving it to the sd card?
  16. crow11ad

    crow11ad Well-Known Member

    Ok if phone storage on the sd card, how come it only shows 9.+ giga anda fue sd caes ahora 59.46 gigs free? Maybe I am overly tired.
  17. drexappeal

    drexappeal Well-Known Member

    On the photon, moving apps to the sd translates to moving them to the media storage area. Apps can't be moved to the external sd. I don't have the LTEvo, so couldn't tell you how the partition is divided or if apps can be moved to the external sd, but there are done that have the photon that can likely tell you if it's the same on the LTEvo.
  18. crow11ad

    crow11ad Well-Known Member

    All I did was put the sd cars in the phone and did the format. I reminder with the og evo and app 2 sd you did it that way. Now with ics, you have internal with 2.09 gigs, phone storage with about 9+ gigs and sd with 59+.

    Earlymon I know what you said, but there has to be away to save to sd card and the sd card to reflect that. Anyone have any ideas?
  19. EarlyMon

    EarlyMon The PearlyMon Moderator

    Actually, in the pre-release root and across the forums for months, I've been calling for an Android mod to do just that.

    The issue started with the expanded storage phones - LTEvo is one of them.

    Problem is that the consumer expectation is that the physical SD card will continue to work as before.

    First comes the legacy problem -

    The reason why this plagues users?

    Root required and locked bootloaders everywhere.

    Android is Linux.

    In Linux, you get root privileges from day one.

    With Android, you get things locked to just one way - until the dev community steps in to help.

    Please note well - the above links are to inform all of the methods that have been deployed in the past.

    Please do NOT try them on your LTEvo unless you have crazy-high unix skills, know what those commands do without asking, and are quite certain that you want to guinea pig
    that sort of thing for others here.

    Meanwhile - you now have more storage than ever before.

    (PS - "phone storage" is really used to refer to the whole 16 GB that comes with the phone, and may cause confusion talking to others. Perhaps best to refer to 2 GB apps, 9+ GB as either "additional user storage" or "internal sd card" - that may help ease communicating with others as we move down the road. ;) :)

    Anyway - wish I had more that I could tell you.
  20. drexappeal

    drexappeal Well-Known Member

    That's the point I was trying to make though. It really depends on how HTC set up the partition.

    The Photon has 3gb for apps only, 8.92gb for media (e.g. internal storage) and then the remainder of the 16gb for internal storage is filled up by all the files to run the phone and format the internal storage.

    If someone adds an external SD card, I have never found a way to actually move apps onto the external SD because the partition is set up to only move apps to the internal storage (which acts as the "SD" because of the partition with the internal storage...e.g. 3gb/8.92gb).
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  21. crow11ad

    crow11ad Well-Known Member

    Ok this is why I never should have left Android. Its like never land, once you leave you forget.
    I downloaded appear free version just like I originally did on the og evo. You gotta remember it's up to the developer to allow it to be saved to the sd card. For example dl appear and then dl Amazon. Once you do at the top you will see a little icon of a card and you pull down the notification and it will say this app can be saved to the sd card.

    Then use app2sd to move it. So class not all apps can be moved as it is up to the developer to allow it to happen. If I am wrong let me know.
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  22. drexappeal

    drexappeal Well-Known Member

    Here's the difference with the OG EVO. The OG EVO didn't have any on board storage. It only had storage for apps. In this case, you have on board storage that is partitioned specifically for certain purposes. The 2+gb partition would be similar to the storage the OG EVO had for apps. The remaining 9gb is partitioned out separately, so majority of the phones that I'm aware of will allow for any applicable apps (that can be moved) to be moved to the 9gb of on board storage. Basically, you'd have to pretend as if you never purchased an external memory card. When you move the app to SD, it'll go to the on board storage that's partitioned out from the storage made specifically for apps only.

    As far as I know, even with apps2sd, the apps don't get moved to the external SD card...that is, unless, HTC set it up differently where you can have a choice between the two.
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  23. crow11ad

    crow11ad Well-Known Member

    I understand what is going on. I just think there has to be a way to be able to move apps to the actual sd card.
  24. Rose4uKy

    Rose4uKy Well-Known Member

    Ok I have App2SD on the new phone it says move to phone storage and then back to onternal storage. So is phone storage your sd card? I moved a 26mb netflix app to phone storage then on APP2SD it's under sd card now but only shows 1.05mb. So I am assuming phone storage is your card right? And I am guessing it means out of the 26 mb it only moved 1.04mb of the app. I know all apps have to have stuff stay and that the whole entire app doesn't go to the card. But I moved Netflix back if it's only going to move 1.04 out of 26 I didn't I didn't think it needed to be on the card. Should I just not put anything on the card until I have too. Right now I have 1.65gb free out of 209 I know my 3D always said I had 1.15 so this is 50 more plus I am not downloading everything I had on my 3D. Just important stuff I need for now.

    But I was told if you do see an X next to an app on APP2SD that you should leave it on the phone and that it means it will run better if not moved.I see the x now on some apps what does it mean? And my sense kept reloading on my 3D and I was low on space. Someone told me to take all apps with the x and put them back on phone to make it run better but eventually I was out of space and couldn't move anymore. I had 86 updates I never could update apps anymore neither. This phone ROCKS!
  25. crow11ad

    crow11ad Well-Known Member

    No its not moving it to the sd cars like it did on the og evo. Its moving it to the phone storage. The one that is like 9 gigs.
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