Internal storage discussion (apps, errors)Support

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  1. Rose4uKy

    Rose4uKy Well-Known Member

    Ok Ok Thanks! I didn't know and on APP2SD when I moved Netflix under apps on sd card it showed up there and said 1.09 mb but the whole app was like 26mb. So then I moved it back. But is it better to not move them unless you have too. Will your phone run better or faster. I know I was told it's not good to move the ones with the X on it. But anyone so you have 9 gigs to move apps too and 2 gigs for apps is that right? Well the 9 gigs is also for music and pics and stuff too am I right? I do know when I took a pic I think it asked if I wanted it to be on the sd card and I don't recall it asking that on my 3D.


  2. EarlyMon

    EarlyMon The PearlyMon Moderator

    Again, phone storage is 16 GB.

    It's broken down as follows -

    The physical sd card access at /sdcard/ext_sd is a shortcut.

    (So is /sdcard as matter of fact. When you put in a physical card, it doesn't change the directory name or re-copy anything, it just changes shortcuts from what you are used to.)

    The actual storage story gets more complex from there and is only of value to devs and unix users familiar with FUSE.

    Try EStrongs File Explorer, menu, preferences and set the home directory to / if you want to explore things.

    App2sd still moves to /sdcard - but that isn't the physical, EXTernal SD card, ext_sd is.

    The more the term "phone storage" is abused, the harder it's going to be to keep it all straight. Maybe try thinking of it as "user storage" instead.

    Your sd card shortcut is named ext_sd.

    Until there's a root solution to overcome the ICS filesystem layout on the phone with that getting renamed to /sdcard - or until someone invents an apps2sd that lets ICS see apps on /ext_sd instead, there won't be any way to move apps to the physical sd card. Calling /sdcard "phone storage" and insisting that an sd card is THE sd card won't change it. Sorry.

    While we're at it - apps2sd became the craze on phones that had less than a quarter of the app storage space that this phone has.

    Before sweating the importance of this, maybe make sure that it still matters. ;) :)
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  3. drexappeal

    drexappeal Well-Known Member

    I feel like all my posts were all pretty simple, but I guess they were still too complicated for people
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  4. dan330

    dan330 Well-Known Member

    lets see if i can translate it...
    using what I know about OG evo and how it worked. (this is different because the added 16GB of builtin memory storage)

    there are 4 areas for apps...(note: IS, ES, SS are initials created by me for this post only)
    - internal storage (IS) - where apps are originally installed. 2GB area
    - external storage (ES) - where user created data is stored (MP3 + photos). 9GB area
    - SD card storage (SS) - the physical SD card you put into the phone.
    - RAM is 1GB and totally separate from the rest. this is where programs are processed/running/sitting in background. RAM is faster than storage memory (IS, ES, SS)

    IS and ES is part of the 16GB of built-in .. other parts of the 16GB is used by Android.
    SD is like another harddrive in your computer. where you can save your created files and data.

    when you install an app.. it goes directly into the IS area.
    when you use Apps2sd, it moves part of the app to the ES area.
    example: with Netflix, you are moving most of the 26mb of app to the ES; and only leaving 1.06mb in the IS.

    android will let you know if you can move part of the app to ES..
    if it can not be moved; android will not even give you an option to move..
    NOTE: apps with widgets.. the widgets may not work so well if they are moved. so i normally just leave them in IS area.

    hope i am right.. and this makes sense.
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  5. drexappeal

    drexappeal Well-Known Member

    RAM and IS are not the same. 2gb for apps and 9gb es (as u term it) are part of the 16gb storage.

    From what I remember, there's 1gb of RAM. That's where the memory running apps and functions on the phone are stored. RAM is not associatedwith storage...ever.
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  6. crow11ad

    crow11ad Well-Known Member

    Ok I think I found something. I downloaded astro file manager. Went to manage my files. I also had live365 and dogg catcher downloaded. Now when you go to manage my files at top and below home, up, mul it shows /mnt/sdcard...this is the phone storage. So I long pressed on live365 and a menu came up with copy, move, rename, delete. I selected move. Then at top now shows paste.

    I hit up 2x and selected sdcard2 (this is your micro sd card) this where I moved my musi from the laptop and any pics I took are stored to...again this is the micro sd card and I hit paste and presto. These 2 apps are now on the micro sd card.

    Please someone else confirm, but this is not a root. I was trying to move google ske map, but couldn't find the file as I did not have enough time.

    Hope this helps.
  7. EarlyMon

    EarlyMon The PearlyMon Moderator

    OK. You copied apps to the external sd card.

    Do you find that Android will execute those copies?

    /mnt/sdcard is the unix mount point for the sdcard partition of internal phone storage.
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  8. crow11ad

    crow11ad Well-Known Member

    Not copied but moved it and I did try live365 and presto...worked. So I don't think a root is needed, just to know exactly where the app is.

    But again someone else please confirm.
  9. EarlyMon

    EarlyMon The PearlyMon Moderator


    Now reboot your phone and see if the app is still in /data/app.
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  10. crow11ad

    crow11ad Well-Known Member

    Didn't see anything in data. But after restarting I saw live365 in phone storage and deleted it. And try running it from the sd and it worked.
  11. EarlyMon

    EarlyMon The PearlyMon Moderator

    When you say that you tried running it from the external sd card, do you mean that you navigated to it on Astro, and clicked on it?

    If not, reboot and give it a try.
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  12. crow11ad

    crow11ad Well-Known Member

    No the icon is still on the phone. But where it is actually stored and running from is the sd card. Only thing I did with astro is move it from phone storage to the actual sd card.

    So where things are normally stored either internal or phone storage, live365 is now stored on and running from the actual ad card. Just like if you moved an mp3 file to the ad card from the pc. Your playing that song from the sd card. Same thing.

    I was able to move live365 from phone storage to the sd card. I even restarted and went back to astro and deleted it from the phone storage and it's not there. Live365 plays like it should.micon is still there. I restarted 2x.
  13. EarlyMon

    EarlyMon The PearlyMon Moderator

    And you started it by tapping it in Astro after the reboot?
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  14. crow11ad

    crow11ad Well-Known Member

    No by clicking on the app on the actual phone.
  15. EarlyMon

    EarlyMon The PearlyMon Moderator

    Yeah. I know.

    Ok, maybe we can clear this up if you do this -

    In Astro, go to that apk file on your external sd card. Long press it (I think that's how Astro works) and choose the option to rename it.

    Change the name so that instead of ending in .apk you have it end in apk.sav - because .sav files cannot execute.

    Reboot phone. Try to run the app, report back.
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  16. crow11ad

    crow11ad Well-Known Member

    I give up. Lol seems when I pressed the app on the phone, it put files back to sd card 1 (phone storage). It's not even showing the .apk,. Sorry about all the back and forth. I'm trying though. :mad::(
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  17. EarlyMon

    EarlyMon The PearlyMon Moderator

    No, it's all good. I have a healthy skepticism, but if you've found some weird workaround, it's good to know.

    If you're not discouraged, suggest repeating the whole thing again, including the name change as the final step, using EStrongs File Explorer.

    The more they fix Astro, the more I hate it - and it used to be fabulous. :(
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  18. Rose4uKy

    Rose4uKy Well-Known Member

    I fully understand it now but I thought when I went to move Netflix just to test it with App2SD it said it only moved 1.06 and left the rest so I moved it back. But your saying it moved 20 something and left the 1.06 on the 2 gig storage. Cause when I tried it and went o what is on sd card which I know is the internal 9 gigs it said Netflix 1.09 like it didn't move much at all and I thought that's not moving hardly anything so I put it back to phone. Maybe I didn't look right I'll try it again. But I understand the storage now.

  19. BlueGoldAce

    BlueGoldAce Well-Known Member

    I searched and could not find an answer to this:

    On this phone you have the option to move your Apps to phone storage. Will doing this cause slower loading times like it used to on phones that allowed you move a portion if the space used by apps to the sd card? What are the disadvantages to moving your apps storage?

  20. marctronixx

    marctronixx Moderator Moderator


    moved your question here since its in line with the discussions going on. i would also suggest you smoke over this thread and read on on the storage functions being discussed.

    Android has made this possible since froyo or gingerbread, so other android handsets can have apps moved to different storage.

    you will not notice any lag by moving apps to different storage on the device.

    the advantages of moving this is to free up phone memory.
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  21. BlueGoldAce

    BlueGoldAce Well-Known Member

    Thanks for moving the post.

    So we are sure that moving the apps to the phone storage won't slow down the opening and operating speed of the app?

    I know this was a concern when moving apps to the sd with the original EVO...hence a bunch of people over at XDA were using class 10 sd cards.
  22. EarlyMon

    EarlyMon The PearlyMon Moderator

    The Evo apps2sd was using a physical SD card.

    The internal storage being used here is on the same memory chip that the app was originally located on, simply in a partition that's formatted VFAT, just like a physical SD card.

    In simple terms - the onboard memory access is likely to meet or exceed any Class 10 card experience you've had.
  23. sbjp31

    sbjp31 Member

    I thought this phone was advertised as a 16 gb phone, but I don't see where it says that anywhere on the device. Am I missing something??
  24. sikclown

    sikclown Well-Known Member

    Well advertised space is never the actual space. Having said that, if you go to Storage you will see 2.09GB of space is allocated for internal storage for apps only. Then you will see 9.93GB of space is allocated for Phone Storage that we can use for anything. That is a total of 12.02GB..... the rest is not user accessible and is used for the OS, HTC Sense, etc.
  25. EarlyMon

    EarlyMon The PearlyMon Moderator

    ^ Yep. And it's that way on every phone sold in the USA that I've seen for the past two years.
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