Judge who overturned drilling bans had shares in the oil industry

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  1. Karuk

    Karuk Well-Known Member

    Once amnesty is granted they can vote. Who will they vote for? Common sense says they will vote for the people who give them a free pass along with free benefits.

    San Francisco is trying to allow illegals to vote for the local school boards.

    You nailed it regarding to politicians.

  2. hakr100

    hakr100 Well-Known Member

    The San Francisco proposal would allow non-citizen parents of kids in city schools to vote in school board elections. It would not allow them to vote in elections for national office.

    Oh, and all people tend to vote for office seekers who best represent the interests of those people.
  3. Karuk

    Karuk Well-Known Member

    non-citizens? Is this your word for illegals?

    I understand they can't vote in the national elections. ONCE THEY ARE GRANTED AMNESTY THEY ARE POSITIONED TO VOTE!

    "Oh, and all people tend to vote for office seekers who best represent the interests of those people"

    This statement shows you are a total liberal ******. How about you and your friends pays for the "interests" of the illegals. The majority of americans choose to keep their hard earned money.
  4. Karuk

    Karuk Well-Known Member

    I'm ashamed that you own an incredible. You are a classic iPhone owner.
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  5. brab

    brab Guest

    Mr. Cajun (aka: Dutch Boy)
    Let me start my comment by saying, "Drill Baby Drill".
    Next, let me say that if they took your brain and put it into the cavity of an ant's tooth, it would be like a bb rolling around in a box car! Just a little factual humor there.

    If the part about the generator engine sucking up the methane and exploding is speculation, it was speculated by one of the surviving members of the exploratory rig who was interviewed on 60 minutes and if BP had allowed the transocean crew to pump mud down the well instead of seawater, the explosion may never have occurred. You see a column of mud is 2 or 3 times heavier than a column of sea water. That's why they use it. It would help contain the pressure of the oil reservoir.

    The part about the 33 rigs leaving to drill off the coast of Africa is bull. They're blowing smoke up our collective butt. You really think as greedy as those oil guys are that they're going to just let all that oil sit there once drilling is allowed again?

    Since that oil in the water down there is so healthy for the native wildlife I think I'll add a little to my aquarium here at home I'm sure my fish will love it. Don't recall any stories about children dying down there from the spill. Let me know if they do and and I'll personally come down their and kick the crap out of some of those oil covered birds.

    As far as doing without oil, I don't think I said anything about not drilling again or doing without it. We just need to put measures in place so it CAN'T happen again. If such measures can't be put in place then hell no, "Don't Drill Baby Drill" .

    As far as reducing our consumption of oil, we can do that. Hybrid cars, how about converting the oil guzzlers over to natural gas, could be done if we required our automotive manufacturers to do it? Would take a decade maybe. How about hydrogen fuel vehicles, hell, I bet we could generate electricity with hydrogen. Must come up with a better means to crack the water molecule. Speaking of molecules, I think I've got a new nickname for you, MOLECULE.

    We simply havn't invested the braintrust of this nation into solving this problem but don't stick your head in the oily sand and say it can't be done.

    And finally, you may refer to me as the "Enlightened One"
  6. hakr100

    hakr100 Well-Known Member

    1. Many "non-citizens" are residing here in the United States legally.
    "Non-citizen" does not necessarily mean "illegal."

    2. Many voters look out for their own interests and vote for politicians who they think will best represent those interests.

    Go ahead, refute either of those statements
  7. hakr100

    hakr100 Well-Known Member

    I have no idea what that means. Do you? I like iPhones. I'd own one instead of an Incredible if AT&T had decent coverage in my area. It doesn't.

    I'm not a fanboy of any product, nor do I resent Apple for its success with the iPhone or any of its other products. I have two Apple computers, a 27" iMac and a 15" Macbook Pro, and I find the OS on them and the ergonomics to be superior to anything in the PC world.
  8. bunnymud

    bunnymud Well-Known Member

    Attack the judge that is keeping thousands of people in work. Don't mention that Salazar should be locked up for putting the ban through with bogus information.

    Experts Disavow Salazar’s Drilling Moratorium - Washington Wire - WSJ

    Obammy just wants the rigs to pick up stakes and move off the coast of Brazil so his puppet master Soros, who has a HUGE stake in the oil industry there, will get even more money


    WH Takes Cues from Liberal Think Tank on Spill - Washington Wire - WSJ

    Obammy doesn't care about American jobs, he just cares about paying back his pals and grabbing all the power he can.
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  9. bunnymud

    bunnymud Well-Known Member

    It's funny that people think that the rigs will just sit there in the gulf. Guess they don't realize that it costs them $500,000.00 a day, for each rig, just to sit there and do nothing. Yea, they'll just wait for the this government to lift the ban in six months...if they don't impose another 6 months or even longer on top of that.
  10. brab

    brab Guest


    Do a little research before you post something in a thread. This is for 2004 so I'm sure it's gone up some but $500,000/day. No wonder gas is so high.

    Contract drilling rig rates for the fourth quarter averaged $14,857 per day, up 56% from the comparable quarter of 2004. Operating margins for the fourth quarter reached an all-time record averaging $7,283 per day (before elimination of intercompany drilling rig profit of $3.0 million) as compared to $3,410 per day (before elimination of intercompany drilling rig profit of $0.9 million) for 2004, an increase of 114%. Unit’s current dayrates average $17,129 per day, or $2,272 per day higher than the 2005 fourth quarter average and $1,486 per day higher than the December 2005 average. Contract drilling revenues increased 61% between the comparative fourth quarters to $139.8 million, primarily due to an increase in dayrates and the number of drilling rigs utilized. Average drilling rig utilization was 106.2 drilling rigs in the fourth quarter of 2005, up 12% from 2004’s fourth quarter of 95.0 drilling rigs. Operating margins for the year averaged $5,481 per day (before elimination of intercompany drilling rig profit of $8.6 million) as compared to $2,823 per day (before elimination of intercompany drilling rig profit of $3.7 million) in 2004, an increase of 94%. Contract drilling revenues increased 55% in 2005 to $462.1 million, while drilling rig utilization increased to an average of 102.1 drilling rigs operating during 2005, compared to 88.1 drilling rigs operating during 2004.
  11. hakr100

    hakr100 Well-Known Member

    One would think with that much money at stake, they'd spend some bucks on research and technology so they could properly clean up the messes they make.
  12. bunnymud

    bunnymud Well-Known Member

    If they didn't have to drill so deep it wouldn't be so difficult to fix. But never mind the fact that this is playing into Soros hands (the new Cheney) and Obammy is doing everything he can to put those dollars into his pockets. And brab, you think those rigs can squat there without having to pay rent?

    Also, the drilling Petrobras is going to do is far deeper. Wether you like it or not, there will always be drilling in the gulf. This ban will only put workers out of jobs and, the obammy hopes, force them to go on welfare. The gulf is federal waters, the federal government should be fixing this and not taking over banks and health care.
  13. Slug

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  14. wiretap

    wiretap Well-Known Member

    Man, if this is news, then it should be really big news that Obama's investment firms dumped all their BP stock a few weeks before the Deepwater explosion.
  15. hakr100

    hakr100 Well-Known Member

    Obama personally owns investment firms? Wow...that should be really big news.

    Do tell.
  16. wiretap

    wiretap Well-Known Member

    Where did I say he owns them..? rofl.. dumbass. I have investment firms as well.. it doesn't mean I own them.

    Look up "Vanguard BP stock" if you're capable of doing so after all that sodium fluoride has rotted away your brain functionality.
  17. hakr100

    hakr100 Well-Known Member

    My guess is that if Obama has "investments" via "Wall Street," they are held in a blind trust, so it is unlikely he has contact on his own behalf with investment firms. If you know otherwise, perhaps you'll grace us with the documentation, eh?

    And what's with the personal insults? Do you think statements like the ones you've just made that I've requoted below add to your credibility?


    "if you're capable of doing so after all that sodium fluoride has rotted away your brain functionality."
  18. wiretap

    wiretap Well-Known Member

    I guess it doesn't matter that financial decisions that go against expert financial adviser recommendations and market trends don't throw up a red flag to you. Especially when decisions are made at just the right time in one specific company.

    I only think you're brain damaged because you can't add 1+1 when it is right in front of you, and you also jump to false conclusions in order to change topics to irrelevant petty issues of forum semantics.
  19. hakr100

    hakr100 Well-Known Member

    You made a claim about Obama and "his" investment firms. Then I asked you for documentation about this, and evidence that whatever "Wall Street" investments Obama might have weren't in a blind trust.

    You've offered no documentation or evidence.

    I'm not the one jumping to conclusions.

    And as far as "expert financial adviser recommendations," well, I wouldn't put much faith in those...many of them are the same folks who brought us the Bush Recession.

    Once again, I ask you why you feel it necessary to put this sort of comment in your post: "I only think you're brain damaged because you can't add 1+1 ..."

    Please explain how a comment like that adds to the level of discussion.
  20. wiretap

    wiretap Well-Known Member

    I gave you the information you need.. I just think you're lazy and don't want to find the truth. Hence, complacency from brain damage due to sodium fluoride. You a diet soda drinker too? ;)

    I'm not the one who can help you. Because even if I provide you direct links, you'll just dismiss it all. You need to help yourself if you ever want to wake up.
  21. hakr100

    hakr100 Well-Known Member

    You provided no documentation. And once again, you resort to personal insults.

    Did you miss this directive from Slug, the moderator, in this very thread:

    A reminder to all:

    Keep your contributions topical, respectful and free from personal attacks.
  22. wiretap

    wiretap Well-Known Member

    I'm sure you still won't believe it, but I'll link it for you.


    Yes, that shows the president holds ALL of his wealth in 2 Vanguard funds. Good thing they foresaw the BP accident and dumped all their holdings in it, because Obama will now be making roughly $85M over the course of 10 years instead of taking a huge hit. Tony Hayward and Goldman Sachs were pretty good at predicting the same thing in order to make money instead of losing money. Since pretty much all of the president's close advisers in the White House are Goldman Sachs right on down the line, I'm sure they were advising him well.

    Oh, it's all a crazy theory and didn't happen, so dismiss it.
  23. hakr100

    hakr100 Well-Known Member

    Once again, Obama's investments are in a blind trust. There's nothing in the documents you provided that indicate otherwise, or that there was some insider info that the BP well was going to blow. Surely you are not claiming that, are you?

    The filings do indicate, though, that my investments are worth more than Obama's. But, then, I've earned more in income than he has for many, many years, and controlled my investments directly.

    I have about 1% of my net worth invested with or through Wall Street. No one in business is less worthy of trust than "investment" houses. :D I own a couple of thousand shares in one company, and a couple of thousand shares in another, both companies I follow closely for personal interest. I didn't lose a dime in the Bush Recession/Crash, a fact that makes this aging liberal smile. :)
  24. wiretap

    wiretap Well-Known Member

    Yup, thought you'd just brush it off. Black is white, right is wrong, war is peace, right is left. I'll pray for you. ;)

    Must be nice to be so ignorant to cold hard factual information with the president's signature on it.
  25. hakr100

    hakr100 Well-Known Member

    All you have proved is that Obama has a modest investment portfolio, invested mostly in the same funds millions of other Americans hold.

    Now, do you have actual proof of anything nefarious?

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