Likely going back to iOS next yearSupport


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  1. Travisimo

    Travisimo Well-Known Member This Topic's Starter

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    The first couple of months with the Droid X were liberating. I swore I would never go back to iOS, and I really appreciated the customization that Android afforded. However, I now realize that most of my frustration with my previous iPhones has been with AT&T, not the phone itself. Therefore, when the iPhone is available on Verizion, I will most likely be going back to iOS.

    That is not to say I don't like Android. The primary feature that I have enjoyed on Android is the notifications. I have also taken great advantage of Google Voice and voice recognition on the Droid X. I realize that Android is growing rapidly and that the Market is full of some really great apps.

    However, Android being an "open" platform primarily benefits the carriers, not the consumer! This is clearly evident by the lengths to which Motorola has gone to lock down their phones. As it stands, it's actually easier to Jailbreak and restore an iPhone than it is to hack a Motorola Android device. And at least on the iPhone you don't have to contend with all sorts of bloatware installed by the carrier that is a pain in the butt for most people to remove. Furthermore, waiting on the carrier AND manufacturer to release an OS update is frustrating slow. I'm convinced now that the ONLY way to go if you want to stick with Android is to purchase a developer phone with stock Android.

    My experience with the Droid X and Android has been a mixed bag at best. The customization options are great, and the notifications are well-implemented. But nothing ever works quite the way it should. For every smile I get when I'm able to do things the way I want, there's an equally frustrating problem or glitch. Here are some examples:

    - Force closes. Even after going back to the "official" Verizon firmware, I still get random force closes when looking at the battery info and even when downloading updates from the market (I'm fine if I only do one update at a time, but if I try multiple updates, many times it'll force close).

    - Headset binding. I use quite a few applications along with my bluetooth headphones to listen to music and podcasts. Android's implementation of headset binding is problematic. Even some developers I have written to have said it has been trouble getting headset binding to work properly. One example is Doggcatcher, a great app I use to listen to podcasts. Many times, using the controls on my headset will open/close the default music app on my phone instead of the app that is currently playing music. So if I want to pause/play my podcast, most of the time I have to actually turn my screen on and do it manually because it starts and stops the wrong player. This is true even if I force headset binding in the app's preferences. Same thing happens with Pandora and a few others. I *never* had this problem on the iPhone.

    - Stability issues. Multi-tasking is great, but I'm afraid that the cost is sometimes greater than the gain. Sure, Android does a pretty decent job of multi-tasking without the need for task killers. But, there are an objectionable number of times where my phone either bogs down considerably or needs a reboot. I almost never had to reboot my iPhone. Sometimes I just have to reboot my Droid X to get MP3's to play properly again because it'll give an error message. And finally, sometimes the phone just decides to reboot on its own without warning. These things may seem trite when considered individually, but taken together, they represent a real stability problem, in my opinion.

    - Battery life. I quickly switched to the extended battery on my Droid X not long after purchasing it because battery life on the standard battery was abysmal. Sure, if you turn everything off and refrain from using Android's cool features like Live Wallpapers and background updating, you can extend battery life a good deal. But then, that pretty much negates the advantages of Android and takes the fun out of using it. So I switched to the extended battery and I can *almost* get by a whole day without charging. However, even with the extended battery on the Droid X, the iPhone 4 was significantly better in this respect when I was using it during the 30-day return period.

    Now then, I'm not trying to convince anyone else to do the same as I intend to do. Nor am I saying that one OS is inherently better than the other. Some will certainly feel defensive and just tell me to go away. Others may find some common ground in the things I'm saying. This is not propaganda, but an honest opinion from a user of both iOS and Android over a substantial period of time. While it's true that Android has grown exponentially, I'm not at all convinced that it has gotten better during that time. It's obvious that Google considers the carriers their customers, while Apple considers the consumer their customers. Google's openness is only a boon to carriers and manufacturers, NOT the consumer. We certainly get the benefits of having multiple phones to choose from on multiple carriers, but once that advantage is no longer applicable (when Apple expands carriers in the USA, for example), I think iOS will blossom even more.

    As of today, I would welcome with open arms an iPhone on Verizon and I truly hope it happens sooner than later. Verizon's 3G network may not be as fast in throughput as AT&T's, but its latency is much lower and coverage is much better. I have had no qualms about Verizon's service, and I feel that they are in a good position for the foreseeable future in terms of network upgrades. My most likely plan of upgrading will be to the iPhone with 3G on Verizon until they come out with an LTE iPhone some time in the next couple of years.
     

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  2. Hrethgir

    Hrethgir Well-Known Member

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    OK. Part of the reason I switched from my iPhone 3gs on AT&T to my Droid X on Verizon was because we were having issues with AT&Ts crappy network. But the other part was that I hate how much Apple cripples their own hardware. I had to jailbreak my 3Gs to get it to do what I wanted, but haven't had to root my DX to get it to do even more. But if you are going to be happier with iOS, than go for it, doesn't hurt my feelings any. I personally plan on never owning another Apple product after my first experience with Apple with my 3Gs, but that's me, and that decision shouldn't bother you, since it doesn't affect you. Anyway, hope you will be happy with your future iPhone.
     
  3. jbhumph

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    Options are always a great thing and more options means that we, the consumers, win!

    iPhone coming to Verizon has enticed me as I came from the iPhone but I am REALLY enjoying my experience with the DX still. I may one day go back to the iOS but don't forsee that happening at the moment mainly because I had to jailbreak my iPhone to really get it to do what I wanted...whereas I am able to do most everything I want without rooting my DX...WAY more customization options which I personally enjoy.

    Good to see though that you tried out something new. I completely understand your frustrations with AT&T....honestly, that was the only reason I even did lay my iPhone to rest. I am incredibly satisfied with Verizon, so much more than any other company I have ever tried.

    Look forward to the iPhone's presence on this network and hope that you are happier with the iOS :) I'm sure you could probably sell your DX and get a good amount to apply towards it too
     
  4. colchiro

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    Grass is always greener....
     
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    Ill be picking up an iPhone 5 if its a bigger handset and is on verizon. Otherwise, my droid X is huge and I love it.
     
  6. G.Armour

    G.Armour You know you want to. VIP Member

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    I don't think I will ever switch to the Iphone. I like Android, besides, by the time that the iphone drops on VZW, Android will probably offer everything that they do.
     
  7. mikeydooodie

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    op i have the same feelings as well its such a love/hate relationship i dunno what im going to do when/if the iphone goes to vzw
     
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  8. novemberwhiskey

    novemberwhiskey Well-Known Member

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    I will get an iphone on verizon if it has a newer OS with more features like the droid (widgets), bigger screen (at least 4.3) and a replaceable battery.

    Although I love the droid, it still has its bugs and is unreliable in that sometimes it just won't do what you want it to (random reboot, freezes, etc.) Ex: I thought having a dedicated camera button would be fantastic (and it would be), but the camera app on my droid freezes all the time and randomly quits. Nothing fixes the problem except for a reboot. Ex2: Pandora is far superior on my droidx v. iphone 3gs (probably due to verizon's 3g network here), however, pandora randomly won't load and nothign fixes except a restart.

    It has taken a lot to get to where i want it, and I feel like it is just too much in terms of money spent on apps to create a good experience (widgetlocker, launcher pro, etc.)

    the iphone is good right out of the box, but it severely limited. It does everything well (the threaded inbox is superior to our inbox imo) but it lacks in customization.

    The best would be to have Apple making Android, where they are controlling both the hardware, firmware, and software so that everything works virtually flawlessly together; but to have them allow us to keep this type of customization and openness.
     
  9. jreed2560

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    another thing to consider when going back to apple is the warranty and repair process. I believe as it stands now, you have to have your Iphone "repaired" where as every other phone on Verizon can either be replaced in the store or a have one over-nighted to you. Replaceable battery, expandable memory. These are all reasons I personally would never go with an apple product. I completely understand if some would make those tradeoffs, but I wouldn't.
     
  10. Sek0n

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    Thats not completely true. Or at least wasn't a little over a year ago. I had the 3GS replaced twice. Once with a brand new one right from the apple store, and the second time overnighted to me before I even sent the other one back.


    As for going back to apple myself. I could see myself doing it at some point. I would regret leaving Android though. With how much I tweak/customize my phone, it would take a lot for me to switch.

    One thing I do like about the iPhone--that really isn't anything to do with the actual phone-- Is the consistent resale value. lol I wish android phones kept their resale value, cause I like to switch phones at least once a year. lol
     
  11. jreed2560

    jreed2560 Well-Known Member

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    I concede to the likelihood that I could be wrong on the issue. I don't have many friends with Iphones, and come to think of it the warranty swap issue I'm referring to was from the original Iphone.
     
  12. Ravenbrook

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    There were things that I loved about my 3G and there are a ton of things I love about my Droid X. I personally don't see Android ever being equal to iOS. I feel this way for two simple reasons. Firstly, Android has too many different phones to write code for. You have several different manufacturers who want to implement their own bloatware on the phone and that just adds to issues. Not to mention not every phone gets updates, for instance Froyo, at the same time. When iOS comes out with a new update everybody can get it at once. Well basically, maybe the first gen iphone wouldn't be able to handle the latest 4.0 software but anything made in the past couple of years could handle it. And secondly, the Market. Too many apps that aren't worth a hoot are in there and no one polices them to make sure they do what they say they do. I never had an app on my 3G that didn't work exactly as advertised. Too many times I've downloaded apps on my X and you get apps that "kinda" work.

    While the endless customization with widgets and a much larger hard drive is great, to me these things aren't everything. I want the software on my phone to run without fail. And that is exactly what I got with iOS. I sure hope I'm wrong about the software never meeting iOS in terms of smoothness and reliability. And I'm hoping for big things out of Gingerbread! Please...Please...Please can we have a true Universal Inbox like, dare I say, iOS? That and a Facebook app that works worth a hoot and I'd be set! And since Christmas is coming, how about some more decent games?
     
  13. MutantCheese

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    I had my time with Apple and the iPhone; 1 year was enough. I'm happy with Android, good bad or ugly. Steve's Job's arrogance has turned me away from anything he will ever have to offer.
     
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    mxsjw Well-Known Member

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    Will the iOS do pron on VZW?
     
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    Bye
     
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    heres hoping.
     
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    for some reason, i think its great for us android users that verizon is getting the iPhoney. its in house competition. the benchwarmer fighting for the starting spot. when its time for my upgrade im going to go into verizon and probably pick out the top of the line droid they have. if i dont like it within my 30 days i might pick up the isucker and love it. i had an itouch for years and kept waiting for vzw to get the clean shiny iphone. but i got tired of waiting. now i dont want an iphone. but i could change my mind again.
     
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    It's hard to root Android devices, even Motorola ones? There's 1-click root methods for many of the Android devices currently available, one being Visionary for our X. Jailbreaking the iPhone doesn't even allow as much freedom as root for Android does. And, since you seem like you jailbreak/root your devices, it's not as if removing any bloatware is in the least bit hard to do.

    There's a 'fix' for the FC of the battery info, but even if that doesn't work.. there's multiple solid programs that provide detailed information about what's eating up your battery. I've yet to have issues with the market, even when it's downloading an updated version of every program I had installed prior to wiping things clean and installing a new ROM.

    2 of my friends' iPhone 4s freeze up every once in a while or provide hiccups with going slow opening an app. For some, it happens with their X, or with their <insert Android device here>. Mine personally hasn't frozen up or bogged down, but it has had random reboots, which were at the fault of a custom ROM being ran. If your phone was/is doing this often, it's not running correctly and should be replaced.

    I'm wondering if your battery, life what we've already established with your phone itself, is part of a poor batch. How often do you use your phone?.. cause I can typically get 10-12 hours of pretty constant use. An extended battery should easily last someone a full day's use. And, hey, guess what.. at least with Android devices you have the ability to get an extended battery or simply have a charged spare handy.

    The iPhone being released on Verizon will thwart Android sales a little bit, but many analysts don't foresee it causing Android to stop taking more of a market share compared to iOS. If anything, it'll actually force phone developers to provide a more solid product - this is the great thing about competition.

    To be entirely honest, there's people who've switched from iOS to Android, and there's people that will go from Android to iOS once the iPhone is available through Verizon. Nothing against you, but I've never understood why people feel the need to make a thread about their switch.
     
  20. bigbadwulff

    bigbadwulff Well-Known Member

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    It the SAME sentence you state the openess only helps the carrier and then state that's why they want it locked. That makes zero sense...
     
  21. Kelmar

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    Glad to see that this is staying civil, let's keep it that way! :D Now, while I personally could never go back to the iphone, there is nothing wrong with it. It, as always, comes down to personal preference. It is always important to get the phone that is best for you!!
     
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  22. Old Man

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    Just following the logic here as it seems you are saying it is the carriers that generate the problems but you will get the iPhone when it comes to Verizon. What makes you think that would happen without some of the very same issues you had with Android?

    Part of the reason that iPhone updates, bloatware, etc. have not been an issue is that there is an exclusive OS and carrier relationship, Apple has not had to cater to or support multiple carriers. Do you really think that will continue if the iPhone becomes available on multiple carriers including the ones you feel negatively impacted Android? Do you truly think Apple will be more successful than Google in that aspect? Maybe they will, but that seems to be a pretty significant assumption.
     
  23. Hrethgir

    Hrethgir Well-Known Member

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    That's exactly the way I feel. I even had my iPhone 3Gs for the same time period of a year.
     
  24. Travisimo

    Travisimo Well-Known Member This Topic's Starter

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    First of all, thanks to everyone for refraining from starting a flame war! Hopefully I made it clear that this isn't a "mine is better than yours" issue. I fully realize that some will agree and some will disagree, and that's a good thing. If nobody agrees with you, then there may be cause to question a position. If everybody agrees with you, you're probably not saying anything substantial anyway. That's usually the way it works out...

    Now then, to those who said "the grass is greener", this is true of most things in life. Long-term contentment is not easily obtained, but I never said I was unhappy. It's just that after experience with both OS's now, I personally would rather live in the "walled garden" than the "wilderness". I don't think anyone can say either philosophy is the universally correct way. The success of both platforms seems to indicate quite clearly that there is room for both.

    To address the quoted response above, yes I do think that Apple will maintain control over their devices moreso than Android devices. I don't think Apple will ever let the carriers put their logos on the external hardware, for example. And regarding Verizon specifically, I do think the ball is still very clearly in Apple's court. At this point, they both need each other. However, Verizon's growth has been much slower than AT&T's and AT&T is getting very close to becoming the #1 carrier in terms of subscribers. Even with the success of the Droid line, Verizon has not added as many subscribers as AT&T.

    With that in mind, I think Apple will still maintain tight control over their phones. Apple will certainly allow the carriers to offer their own apps via the App store, but I do not think they will allow them to install "bloatware" or software that cannot be uninstalled onto their phones. And while jailbreaking an iOS device may not afford ALL of the freedom of hacking Android, at least it's quite easy to restore an iOS device if the need arises. And it's nearly impossible to brick one, whereas there are stories all over the forums from Moto users bricking their phones.

    At the end of the day, I'll reiterate that my reason for posting was not to propagandize, but to simply initiate conversation about the experience with both OS's. And for me personally, I'm hopeful that the convergence of iPhone with a carrier other than AT&T will be the experience I am looking for. :D
     
  25. dhoffman1421

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    If the iPhone was on VZW this summer when I was shopping for a smartphone, likely I'd have one since I have an iPod Touch with a ton of games and music on it.

    Now that I have the DX I am hooked on Android and I love the phones huge display. I do wish they had more of the games Apple offers but the way I swap out ROMs I'd be losing my saved games anyway, LOL!

    Anyway go with what you like and good luck!
     

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