Local (laptop, not web) contact/calendar sync

Discussion in 'Android Apps & Games' started by simmcrd, Oct 21, 2008.

  1. simmcrd

    simmcrd Active Member
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    Am I the only one who does NOT desire to push all my personal info to a third party web site? Yes, I'm fully aware that any phone or networked device is not really secure as far as data is concerned. Still, I would prefer the extra layer of security enjoyed when not web synced. Is there yet a method to enable synchronization with Evolution, Kmail, or mysql?
     

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  2. pestilence

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    Yes

    (You ARE the only person)
     
  3. johnkzin

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    I'd love to see a means of sycning with other contacts and calendar data bases besides Google. A syncML client on the phone, for example.
     
  4. patzane

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    Yes I went from a Blackberry to this phone and my calender and phone contact are in microsoft outlook and I don't want to use google. Is there any way to do this.
     
  5. johnkzin

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    Maybe someone needs to organize and put up a bounty to get some android developer to make apps for:

    airsync client
    syncml client


    However, funambol said they're going to make a conduit that goes from their syncml servers to google. The schema would be something like this:

    outlook -> funambol -> google -> G1

    You'd still have to use Google, but just as a sync conduit, basically. That's ok if you're just not wanting to directly use their services, but obviously not as ok if you're concerned about privacy and things like that.

    Personally, I just want choice, flexibility, and a mechanism for getting my Oracle Calendar data onto my phone (Oracle Calendar can act as a syncml server; that's how I get my calendar data onto my Nokia phone, and then I use Apple iSync and Spanning Sync to get that data uploaded to Google ... but clearly I am going to want to eliminate the Nokia phone part some time soon, since I'll be picking up my G1 from the UPS Store today).

    Anyway, back to my point: the android user community needs to figure out a way to make it lucrative for one of the android developers to write airsync and syncml clients to run on the phone.
     
  6. porquepine

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    I am also a Blackberry User and still waiting for my G1 to arrive. However, I will say that I have been using the Google Calendar now for about a year and I love it! I sychs with Blackberry and allowed me to share my calendar with others (my wife etc). I found the Google Calendar to be much more intuitive when it came to scheduling then just a plain blackberry calendar.

    So if you are worried about using Google because you are unfamiliar with the applications, don't be, they are great. If you are worried because you are paranoid and someone might want your schedule and addresses book and use it against you- well can't help you.
     
  7. simmcrd

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    Just added today to the Android Market: ContactsSync. It claims to sync to Exchange, that seem to be able to help most of you guys. I'm still holding out for a linux LDAP or MYSQL solution.
     
  8. pestilence

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    You can also easily export your Outlook contacts to a .csv and import them into gmail.

    I did that before I got my G1 (and organized them and added photos, etc.) and it was extremely cool to have them automatically in the phone right after I turned it on :)
     
  9. simmcrd

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    I understand and appreciate your pleasure with gmail, but some folks (like myself) prefer a different approach. The beauty of open-source (thanks to Stallman, Torvalds, Wall. and company) is that they provide the user with personal choices. Hence the beauty of GNU, Linux, Apache et al. I'm holding out for a mysql or LDAP solution abd I'm sure I'm not the only one.
     
  10. simmcrd

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    Has anyone been able to sync Contacts/Calendar to or from the microSD? vCard or CSV?
     
  11. pestilence

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    Torvalds, Stallman, and Wall would strongly encourage you to get to work on providing the rest of us with those options :rolleyes:
     
  12. pestilence

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    You definitely CAN import into gmail (and therefore the G1) from .csv.
     
  13. simmcrd

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    Yes, I'm sure you probably can. But if you remember I require a LOCAL solution. Resistance is NOT futile and I will NOT be assimulated.
     
  14. pestilence

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    Let us know when you get it done :D
     
  15. johnkzin

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    Considering that this is a google driven situation, I doubt you'll find a true "local" solution. Perhaps a solution which is primarily locally managed, but which will some how also involve the remote/google side of the equation.

    For example, what I'm looking at doing is creating a local (in my house) SyncML server which will gather data from multiple locations (Oracle Calendar at work, various software clients such as thunderbird/lightning and iCal/Addressbook on my systems, the serverside address book on my work email server, Google addressbook and calendar), correlate them and resolve them, and then update the new resolved data back out to those locations.

    In this regard, I don't need to treat my G1 as being a unique data repository. Google is that data repository. Google isn't the data authority, Google is the data conduit for keeping my phone in sync with (oracle calendar, thunderbird addressbook, etc.).

    This isn't "being assimilated", because what Google wants is to be that data authority. But, instead of giving them that role, they're merely going to be the slave to whatever my local SyncML server says. I think it's far more practical to approach it this way, than to try to eliminate Google from my Google Phone.
     
  16. simmcrd

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    I very well may do that, but I would have to find the time to learn Java. This is probably the incentive I need. Thanks for the vote of confidence.
     
  17. OrganizedFellow

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    HECK YEAH!
    Anyone use 30 Boxes?
     
  18. p_quarles

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    Just today (at least this is the first I've seen it), Funambol Contacts was added to the Market. Promises to sync via a SyncML server, so still requires a third-party site but at least adds another option.
     
  19. johnkzin

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    Too bad the funambol one is contacts only. What I actually need is _calendar_.
     
  20. hwfa

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    No you are definitely not. Putting your contacts on a web server puts *them* at risk from the web company's disgruntled employees and any blackhat who has any idea about who your contacts might be. The same is true about your calendar: you are publishing the movements of *other people* in as much as you are saying you are meeting John Doe, VP Security of Bank of Sometown at 3pm on 14 April in the Nonsuch bar on Main Street, Sometown. Now the world knows where John Doe is going to be on a given date at a given time. Wonderful! Plus you might have pictures of his kids in your contacts book. Great; just what he needs! This whole concept is misconceived and needs fixing before someone gets really hurt. Just as one example see http://www.uslaw.com/library/Crimin...rob_bank_wwwprivateofficercom.php?item=251112

    Harold Fuchs
    London, England
     
  21. punkzanyj

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    Just to be fair, look at the back of your phone. What does it say? Says "with GOOGLE" right?

    If you do not wish to use Google, that's your perogative, I'm all for people doing what they want to. But it boggles the mind that someone buys a GOOGLE product but doesn't like/need/want/trust GOOGLE.

    I'm not talking about people who are not really big into google, or are neutral about google, or who don't care about google --- but they have this Exchange work account they want to get on their phone. No big deal, many people do that, and it's very valid.


    But am I the only one who see people basically saying "Hey, just bought this cat. Don't like cats, how do I make it act and look like a dog?"

    Am I the only one who wants to respond "Why the heck did you buy a cat?" or, to be more *helpful* - "Just go buy a dog"

    It's the akin to buying a SUV and then taking parts off of it and modifying it so that it looks like a Scion XB. There is an easier way.;)
     
  22. hwfa

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    The fact it says "with fries" doesn't mean you need to eat the fries. If you are willing to pay I'm sure the serving assistant will bring you a portion of coleslaw.
     
  23. frazelle09

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    Gee, i bought it because it said Linux. Darn, my bad.

    i, too, have the same problem. i don't wish to use the net to sync. i've got Kontact - Calendar on my desktop and that's where i input my info. and just want to do something simple, like sync it with my ... Google?, Android?, G1?

    Have a great evening! :)
     
  24. KlaymenDK

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    I resent that comment. Who are you to make such a statement? If it was made in jest, you could at least have added a smiley. There are plenty of users (as you can see from the thread above) who are concerned with data privacy. I wouldn't ever have come to Google if Palm hadn't pulled PalmOS away from under me. Now, this is the only workable option I have; it doesn't mean I have to like it, or trust Google.

    Yes, that's what I did to get my data from my Palm into GMail. It cost me several evenings of work in order to figure out column names, what fields are supported, their data formats, and so on. I had to merge the first-name and last-name fields, and I did not succeed in importing any of the dates (birthdays and anniversaries) no matter how I tried.

    The import/export feature of GMail is truly minimal, it cannot even export and then reimport a contact without dropping data.

    I am trying to figure out a way to do Palm-like local search, and storage of what's needed for the PIM applications. It's nigh-on impossible, as far as I can tell, this OS was just not built for local data storage.

    That may be so, but there don't seem to be any 'dogs' out there. OpenMoko, while definitely open and local, is too immature for daily use, and the WinMo, iPhone, and Symbian platforms all require non-free OS'es if you want to write software for 'em. That leaves only Android and Palm Pre -- and the Pre is even worse when it comes to local data storage. (Punk, I know this is basically a mini-rehash of my first post, I'm just bringing it up here because it seems to be fitting, I don't mean to open up the old thread again.)
     
  25. johnkzin

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    So, basically, you didn't come to Android with the intent of using Android ... you came to Android with the intent of somehow replacing PalmOS.

    So, now, you're trying to "get Android to do things the PalmOS way" instead of "learning how things are done the Android way"?

    You do realize that your mindset is doomed to failure, right?

    I mean, really, this is precisely trying to put a square peg into a round hole. You should have learned the folly of that in pre-school.


    I'm willing to bet that if you tried to assemble shelves using nails and a screwdriver, you'd have a similarly frustrating and time-costly result. A screwdriver is not the right tool for manipulating nails. You need to either give up on your love of screwdrivers and switch to a hammer, or somehow figure out how to buy some (no longer manufactured) screws.


    Which is zero surprise to anyone who is paying attention. Google is a cloud based enterprise. Did you really expect their platform to be anything other than cloud focused?

    Some apps cache data locally (gmail, calendar, contacts), but that's just for speed and reliable access (so you can still use it even if you don't have signal). That's not really user accessible "local storage". That's pretty much the way Google wants/intends it: cloud based storage of the canonical/authoritative copy of the data, local cache of non-canonical/non-authoritative copies of the data for usability.

    Do I wish it was a more hybrid approach? Yes, I do. But I also don't have time to write my own fork of the Android code base and create a variant of Android that does everything MY way. Maybe if I win the lottery ... but probably not even then (I have bigger fish to fry, really).

    IMO: you'd be better off trying to get Symbian to create development tools for Linux and *BSD, so you can develop for their open source OS using open source OSes, than trying to get Google to not be a Cloud Computing company (and thus deliver platforms that aren't cloud focused).
     

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