Support Motorola Locks the Milestone?

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  1. Blue1k

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  2. mpmilestogo

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    Read this forum post on the Motorola Users Milestone Forum. Its disappointing that they have created two phones which are supposedly similar (droid and milestone) but in reality there are subtle differences which make the Milestone not the phone to buy today IMO:

    http://tinyurl.com/ydsl6d7
     
  3. hartl_vienna

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    Yes it's true. Unfortunately I bought a Milestone before it was clear how stupid Motorola acts. I think it's better to buy another - non Motorola - device. :mad:
     
  4. Jabbypants

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    Who knows maybe they will allow it in the future.
     
  5. eachna

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    I understand the gist of what they're saying here, the Milestone kernel has been locked down.

    Is there anything preventing us from using Droid firmware on the Milestone (as long as we don't run the radio update)? Doesn't that include the kernel?
     
  6. mohitrocks

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    Ughh, this is very dissapointing, as I am getting a milestone next week from Telus.
     
  7. HaunteD CoucH

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    really? you should try to root it and see if it will work.
     
  8. Jabbypants

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    The root system out isn't a full root atm i have mine rooted and it will make no difference if you read the article at the top the only time it will happen is if they take away this digital signature.

    I am debating putting mine on ebay atm along with my hero and maybe picking up a Nexus one or wait and see what comes out shortly.

    "For whatever reason and without telling anybody Motorola decided to depart from this approach and started to deploy a technique which is generally known as Tivoization. Tivoization means that each and every Linux file on the Milestone is protected with a secret digital signature that is only known to Motorola itself, effectively preventing any modification to the Milestone Linux system by anyone but Motorola."
     
  9. BTMoonlight

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    So, what exactly does this mean? Mine is being shipped out =x
     
  10. Jabbypants

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    It means if they don't unlock the code we won't be able to install custom roms on it, ie like the ones out for the Droid install the rom and it overclocks the cpu to 800mhz/1000 etc.

    Means we can only use the roms that are released by Google so we will see updated roms like Android 2.1 is out in a few months but that's it.
     
  11. BTMoonlight

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    I haven't gotten my phone yet so I haven't been able to explore around but that includes examples of gensoid, nesoid, etc? Or different story as these are available on the android market?


    Edit: basically, how does this affect the average user? I'm obviously not a tech saavy and it'd suck not to have custom roms. Is there anything else? Sorry, still new at this phone/tech business
     
  12. MarioNico

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  13. johflo88

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    I hope this not a scare tactic.:eek:
     
  14. Jabbypants

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  15. AverageCanadian

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    You can still install those apps no issue. AFAIK the Telus Milestone isn't rooted so as of right now you can install any app that doesn't require root access.

    however once the phone is rooted you'll be able to install any app you can find, you will however not be able to install a custom rom(which is basically a modded OS). That's all. For the average user it means nothing.
     
  16. Brendanmurphy

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    Well it seems people are running custom roms on there euro milestone so i don't think i matters about the lock they found a way
     
  17. HaunteD CoucH

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    Euro Milestones, at least the earlier ones are rootable, the Telus Milestone is not however/
     
  18. Brendanmurphy

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    Yet. They said the euro milestone would be unrootable but they rooted it. Soon the telus milestone will be rooted
     
  19. charrion

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    My fingers are crossed. In the meantime I managed to copy the apps I needed off of my old Dream. Just makes getting updates a pain.
     
  20. Jabbypants

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    I just want them to figure out overclocking then i would be happier.
     
  21. AverageCanadian

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    Phone seems plenty fast to me at the moment, but I am coming from the HTC Dream. OC'ing it would just drain the batter faster.
     
  22. charrion

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    I agree. I came from a dream that averaged about 13000ms for benchmarkPi at it's best and now get about a third of that time. Big difference and I can't really say speed was a huge problem for me with the dream either. Screen, memory, and lack of a 2.X upgrade path were my big issues and the Milestone takes care of all of them.
     
  23. HaunteD CoucH

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    Yes, but now if you read the article clearly, it states that all linux based files require the digital signature of Motorola to be accessed, repressing all rooting. Maybe I am wrong though. Hopefully wrong since I am buying one of these:D
     
  24. Brendanmurphy

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    Yea. So did the euro version but they found a whole in the firmware and thats how they gained root access. Its only a matter of time. Soon people are just going to find what the signature is and use that to get it to run
     
  25. HaunteD CoucH

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    Really? I honestly didnt know that the euro ones were locked down as well,but for the sake of the Telus Milestone(and my purchase) may this happen extremely fast
     

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