Muslim world: Religion is again being used as a political tool.


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  1. A.Nonymous

    A.Nonymous Well-Known Member

    I'm confused as to why you tossed it out there.

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  2. OutofDate1980

    OutofDate1980 Well-Known Member

    Since 501(c)(3) tax-exempt was created, religions are automatically given this exemption. Are you claiming Islam should be denied this exemption ?
  3. A.Nonymous

    A.Nonymous Well-Known Member

    I don't think entire religions are 501c3s. Individual churches and organizations certainly are, but entire religions? I think not.
  4. OutofDate1980

    OutofDate1980 Well-Known Member

    Why not, Westboro Baptist Church is an independent religion (501(c)(3) with its headquarters in Topeka, KS.
    Religion and taxes: Could Westboro Baptist Church lose 501(c)(3) status? - Slate Magazine

    Back to the subject, was this 14 minute video clip propaganda to ignite religious violence ?

    It was uploaded to Youtube in July then dubbed into Arabic in September and excerpt broadcast on an Islamic Egyptian TV station.

    The original clip had no religious content, but was overdubbed post production.
  5. A.Nonymous

    A.Nonymous Well-Known Member

    Right. Westboro is an individual church which may or may not be a 501 c 3.
  6. OutofDate1980

    OutofDate1980 Well-Known Member

    Westboro IS a 501(c)(3) there's no "NOT". It is an individual church AND a religion. It can build more churches.

    You appear to have difficulties staying focused. "Back to the subject, was this 14 minute video clip propaganda to ignite religious violence ?"
  7. A.Nonymous

    A.Nonymous Well-Known Member

    No, there is a big difference between saying an entire religion is a 501(c)(3) and saying an individual church is a 501. Huge difference. You do know the difference between the general and the specific right? Can my business declare that it is a church and thus be a non-profit. No. There are rules defining what constitutes a 501. A religion is entirely broad and it, of itself, is not a 501. Individual churches may or may not be 501s. Some are. Some are not. Just being a church doesn't make an organization a 501 and churches have lost their 501 status in the past for participating in activities that were deemed to violate the rules of being a 501. They still held services every Sunday, but just holding religious services and belonging to a particular religion does not make something a 501.

    And yes, the author of the vid likely made it to incite violence. Not sure what your point is beyond that.
  8. OutofDate1980

    OutofDate1980 Well-Known Member

    A religion and church can be one and the same. A religion can also have many churches centrally, independently, or via a subsidiary owned. Read the IRS code.

    Electronic Code of Federal Regulations:
  9. A.Nonymous

    A.Nonymous Well-Known Member

    You stated that Islam is a 501. An entire religion is not a 501. A church or an organization can be a 501, but not an entire religion.
  10. OutofDate1980

    OutofDate1980 Well-Known Member

    Is Christianity a religion ? At one time the Catholic church claimed to be the Christian religion. Now there are many Christian cults that claim to be the Christian religion. Each and every cult can obtain 501(c)(3) status. The Islam religion has the same rights and to my knowledge there are different cults.

    Christianity, Islam, etc are user defined terms, if a 501(c)(3) organization claims its purpose is the furtherance of Christian, Islam, Satanism, Awondo, etc beliefs, the IRS neither approves or disapproves beliefs.

    Exemptions are granted to the legal owner of what is being exempted. Westboro claims to be the Christian religion and has obtained 501(c)(3) status. The number, size, or value of assets a religion owns has no bearing on 501(c)(3) status.

    Different cults have different corporate structures, some assets are centrally owned, others are congregationally owned within a religious association, still others are owned via a subsidiary, etc.
  11. Bob Maxey

    Bob Maxey Well-Known Member

    Prominent Muslims and the "Muslim on the street" will not speak out against those that want to use the religion as a tool to kill us. In those countries, speaking out is forbidden. they might kill you. And according to the rules, if you are not of that faith, you must be killed.

    One major goal is to wipe a certain group off the face of the map and by any means they want to use.

    Most every terrorist attacks in the last 20 or so years ago were perpetrated by members with twisted ideas. Christians do not seem to bomb us as frequently as others

    Draw Mohamed and you can be killed.

    Many Muslims want this country to adopt Sharia law.

    I refuse to say the religion is evil, but they need some help with PR and they need more Muslims speaking out against those that want to pervert it for some un-Godly goals. the problem is, they are killed when they do.

    Do NOT hate Muslims, that is not fair. There are millions of good ones out there that hate what their religion has become. But never forget, they do not like us and they want us to be them or die, period. I do think we have plenty to fear from a small segment of that population.
  12. OutofDate1980

    OutofDate1980 Well-Known Member

    The perils of extremism

    "The Saudi government campaign to combat terrorism and extremism needs to be further supported and encouraged by society and Muslim scholars. The extremists today are threatening Muslim societies and they have created a conflict between Muslim brothers. This dangerous phenomena needs to be checked before it causes more chaos and instability in our region and across the Muslim world. Moderate Muslims have an obligation to combat those extremists who continue to be in confrontation with societies and people that reject their extremist views and principles."
  13. OutofDate1980

    OutofDate1980 Well-Known Member

    http://www.newsday.com/opinion/colu...st-speak-out-against-the-fanaticism-1.4011412

    "Isolated acts of intimidation against religiously offensive speech have also occurred in this country -- and religious groups have not always condemned them harshly enough. In 1998, a New York production of Terrence McNally's play "Corpus Christi," depicting a gay Jesus, was canceled over threats of bombing and murder; Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights president William Donohue disavowed the threats but claimed to be "delighted" by the cancellation."
  14. OutofDate1980

    OutofDate1980 Well-Known Member

  15. saptech

    saptech Well-Known Member

    You are leaving out another group, you forgot to mention that is the Palestinian Holocaust, committed almost daily by Israel. This is the basic cause towards the development of what you call Islamic Extremism. The Jewish Extremism.

    Awhile ago Hilary Clinton said that the US had created Al-Qaeda to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan. Think again of Jewish Extremism. The Palestinian Issue (like it or not) is the basic cause of all these attacks. American policy makers always ask themselves "Why do they hate us?". It is very strange that they do not know the ANSWER.
  16. OutofDate1980

    OutofDate1980 Well-Known Member

  17. Gmash

    Gmash Well-Known Member

    The Saudi government is a joke. They are one of the most extreme, but we have to look the other way and play dumb because we have to have their oil. They won't even let their women drive ffs. Don't forget most of the 9/11 terrorists were from there. They hate us just as much if not more than most, but its not like they're going to stop taking our money and using it against us.
  18. A.Nonymous

    A.Nonymous Well-Known Member

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  19. ElasticNinja

    ElasticNinja Well-Known Member

    Iran is multiples fairer and more democratic than Saudia Arabia. Iran, while poorer, is far more socially and economically developed. Obviously they are both shitty places but yeah.

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  20. OutofDate1980

    OutofDate1980 Well-Known Member

    Those alleged probation restrictions hindered his furtherance/practice of his "faith", therefore should be null and void.:)
  21. ElasticNinja

    ElasticNinja Well-Known Member

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  22. OutofDate1980

    OutofDate1980 Well-Known Member

    Not to disagree, as I would go further and claim any government that is autocratic and theocratic is a threat not only to us, but those living under this rule.

    My response was in regards there are Muslims speaking out against extremist.
  23. OutofDate1980

    OutofDate1980 Well-Known Member

    My translator interpreted this to mean "The excrement is getting so deep, I have to put on my waders.":stupido:
  24. A.Nonymous

    A.Nonymous Well-Known Member

    Good luck convincing a judge that your "faith" requires you to post defamatory Youtube vids.
  25. OutofDate1980

    OutofDate1980 Well-Known Member

    Blasphemy is legal in the US.

    All kidding aside, placing him in custody is more for his safety and the avoidance of killing some religious extremist.

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