My Eris and lag.General


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  1. dittok92

    dittok92 Active Member This Topic's Starter

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    I bought this phone back in February for my birthday, and before that I had the Omnia.. Quite an upgrade, haha. Anyways.. I'm just starting to get fed up with this lag I'm getting from my phone when all I'm trying to do is send text messages. I've seen quite a few posts saying that if you root your phone / throw on a custom ROM that the lag is reduced increasingly. My only concern is my warranty. I'm thinking I should just send my Eris in now because it's semi-broken as is (trackball not moving to the left / randomly flipping to the left), then root it.
    If I could get some input on rooting or anything to help the lag, I would greatly appreciate it.
     

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  2. Hypo Luxa

    Hypo Luxa Well-Known Member

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    There is an absolute plethora of info here -> Eris - All Things Root - Android Forums
     
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    dittok92 Active Member This Topic's Starter

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    Yeah, I've checked out a few of the posts regarding rooting. Just very indecisive about it. Because If I brick my phone, then I'm pretty much SOL, but if I do nothing then it might as well be a brick.
     
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    Hypo Luxa Well-Known Member

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    There has been some discussion about teh chance of bricking by rooting and the chances are pretty remote actually. There hasn't been any report of anyone bricking their Eris from rooting. At least one person actually TRIED to brick his phone by rooting and was pretty unsuccessful.
     
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    I'm not technical at all and was hesitant too about the rooting/flashing, but the pro's here put together a fantastic 'dummies' guide and couldn't have made it any easier. Read it through a couple times beforehand and go for it. You won't be sorry. Lots of smart folks here to help with any questions.
     
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    dittok92 Active Member This Topic's Starter

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    I'll probably try this weekend when I get the chance.. Do you think I should replace my phone first, though? Because of the issue with the trackball... This is already my second Eris that had the problem with the trackball. >.<
     
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    If you're having trackball problems, get it replaced. That's a hardware problem that can't be fixed by rooting.
     
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    If your having trackball issues and such, it prolly isn't a bad idea to get a replacement first. If your trackball issue is hardware related, then rooting wont fix it.
     
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    dittok92 Active Member This Topic's Starter

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    I know that, I'm not trying to say it's a software problem :)
    I'm just saying, I think I should probably replace my phone first DUE to the trackball problem. Not root it because of the trackball problem. I'm rooting it because of the lag problem.
    Sorry if there was some confusion in that. :)!
     
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    As mentioned above, get the hardware issues fixed first with a replacement. Then look into rooting. Rooting won't fix defective hardware.

    If you go through enough replacements, they should just give you a new, different phone. People on here have gotten Incredibles, Droids, Xs, and D2s for no charge and no messing with their contracts.

    That's after a good bit of replacements though.
     
  11. Joe_Evaristo

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    It's not necessarily the number of replacements, but also the number of complaints as compared to your history. I only had one refurb, and a whole bunch of complaints--including multiple gripes when I first got the Eris regarding the bug that prevents it from dialing hands-free over Bluetooth.

    I went from 0 complaints in a nearly 10 year history with Verizon, to complaints every couple months with the crappy Eris. After my last complaint (and after exhausting the lines of support with HTC, including a BBB report), Verizon swapped me to a D2 as a straight up exchange. But then, when I have a problem with any device, I don't just shrug it off and hope it's fixed down the line, and I get more vocal the more I'm stonewalled.



    If you're that worried about rooting (I was, for the same reasons as you--I was also vehemently opposed to the idea that I should be "fixing" the problems that the manufacturer is obligated to fix), try some troubleshooting steps first. Everyone here is so quick to answer every problem with, "root it," when that may not necessarily be what you want. There are definitely less drastic steps that can be taken first.

    Since you mentioned text messages being slow, let's start there. How long are your text threads? If you have a lot of threads with high text counts, it's going to slow you down. You should try to keep each thread under 100, or 200 texts--yeah, it can be a hassle with threaded texting, but the Eris is pretty poor at handling even that many. Deleting whole threads that long tends to be a bitch, too.

    Are you running a task killer? That is one of the biggest causes of phone lag and battery drain. It can also negatively affect system stability if you're doing "kill all" often.

    Also, sometimes just restarting the phone will lead to improvements for a while.

    Those are the basic steps I can think to try before you root.
     
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    dittok92 Active Member This Topic's Starter

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    Yeah, I keep my threads down. I generally never get above 100 without deleting them. I do that because it is indeed a bitch to delete loaded threads, lol.
    As for a task killer, I do, but I hardly use it. I have most things on ignore as is. I'll try without it, but I don't think it's going to do much. When I have a bunch of stuff running with out killing them, it tends to lag the Eris even more.
     
  13. Joe_Evaristo

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    lol...The messaging app was very poorly thought out by HTC.

    What other apps are you running? Sometimes an app could be coded poorly, and using too many of the phone's resources. Or something could be syncing too often and be demanding a lot of those resources as well. Various widgets are especially resource-hungry.

    Here's a good article on task killers: Droid Den - Android Guide: Should I Use a Task Killer - Droid Den Chances are good that it's responsible for at least part of your lag. What's not also accounted for by excessive syncing and poorly coded apps is likely the poor performance the Eris is known for--and at that point, the others' suggestions about rooting come in.
     
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    I noticed a bit of improvement by replacing the sense apps, with launcher pro, handcent, dialer one, ect. But only rooting really sped up the phone.
     
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    dittok92 Active Member This Topic's Starter

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    I was able to get a replacement phone under warranty (another Eris).
    As far apps on my phone.. pretty basic. LauncherPro, Handcent, Aldiko, Mixzing, Music Junk, AK Notepad, ASTRO, Swype, GameBoid Lite, Pandora, Pure Grid Calendar, Shazam, TasKiller, and xScope lite. Aside from the built in, of course.

    I do believe once I get the refurbished one then I will root.
     
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    Quality 3rd party apps are always better than manufacturer stock apps. No exceptions.

    Makes me wish I could get a 3rd party music player for my 360. No fast-forward or rewind sucks.
     
  17. Joe_Evaristo

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    Have you tried comparing text performance between Handcent and stock? I have read others complain of performance issues with Handcent, so that could be your culprit.

    If the Eris' stock keyboard weren't so poor at keeping up with typing, I'd also suggest ruling out SWYPE, as that would/should have a direct impact on texting. But really, even if it is the main problem, chances are it's working better than the stock keyboard regardless...lol.



    I'm not sure I agree...at least not completely. As I've mentioned before, I'm not particularly a fan of Handcent because I find it hard to read. The Eris was my first phone to do threaded messaging, so it's not just that I got used to one way of seeing texts and that's it--it was truly hard for me to read the messages in Handcent. The Droid 2 stock app handles texts a little differently than I'd like (I'm not a fan of the chat bubbles, but at least on the D2 they're fixed-width, which makes a huge difference to me), but I find it readable and I've adjusted.

    I usually like stock--if it's not doing the job right, then the manufacturer did something wrong. In most cases, they'll put the effort into getting it right the first time because that's what potential customers are going to see when they play with a demo. I think the main advantage of 3rd party apps is that they can be updated faster--if something isn't working, there's generally not as much bureaucracy in the way of getting it changed.

    As for the 360--I don't use mine as a media center, as I've found no use for it. I have other devices that do the same thing, so it has no advantage to me. I imagine not having FF or RW would be really annoying if you do use it that way, though! If you can find the right avenue to complaint, I'm sure it would find its way into a future update--I love that Microsoft tries to make the Xbox more and more user-friendly with each update. The last update added support for saving games on USB thumb sticks, so if they're willing to compromise profits on harddrive sales that way, I doubt that adding controls to the media center is out of the question.
     
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    There's a website you can visit that will root your phone, much like there's one for iPhones, iPod Touches, and iPads.

    Won't share the link in case it breaks site rules. But it's out there.
     
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    I took my Eris in to Verizon yesterday because the lag was really getting out of hand: Not being able to dial should NOT happen on a phone. I turned it on and off two days ago, to reset it and hopefully reduce the lag, which usually works. But this time, the battery was really draining fast, and when I would check my task killer (ATK, which I hardly used), LOTS of things were open that I hadn't opened. The Verizon dude insisted on removing the ATK, and said that was causing the huge battery drain. I must admit, my battery life is back to normal today, and I have used it moderately. I don't know if it will be a fix for all the lag, but it is better today. I'll be back in there if it doesn't go well. This is my 2nd Eris.
     
  20. Joe_Evaristo

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    The Verizon guy you talked to was right. This is exactly the problem with task killers: they scare you into thinking a lot of stuff is running, but really, they're not.

    Those "running" applications aren't running at all...at least, most of them aren't. Android puts things into memory that you use often, or it thinks you might use often even if you don't. When an app is in memory, it's not running--it's just a "save state" that will allow the app to launch faster and return you to where you you left off last. Think of it like saving a video game; when you load it, it gets you to where you were without having to do everything over again.

    This doesn't use any of your processor at all--in fact, it cuts down on processor use for the next time you launch the app; it's essentially trying to load a game, instead of making you start from the beginning. If you had to start over, you'd be wasting time retracing your steps. By killing these apps, you're basically starting over when you need to use them again. This leads to using the processor more which slows down the phone, and uses up the battery.

    By saving the app's state to memory, it's also not using any additional battery power: "free" and "used" memory use exactly the same amount of the battery, so there's really no benefit to having those apps not load into memory.

    Additionally, you're triggering the processor every time you ask the task killer to do something, so you're using the processor and the battery when you open the task killer and ask it to kill something. Worse, if you're got it set to kill anything automatically, it's constantly making use of both the processor and the battery, leaving you with less processing power and battery for other apps--it would certainly show itself as lag.

    Of course, it's in the app developers best interest not to tell you this. If they can scare you into thinking these apps in memory are running when they're not, and that they're using up your battery when they're not, they get more downloads, and perhaps more cash from paid versions or ads.

    You've been tricked into using their app for something harmful. You should only use a task killer when you've installed another app that makes your system unstable--you kill the offending app so that the phone will work well enough for you to uninstall the bad app. Any other claimed value to task killers is false.

    Keep in mind that these apps have been so problematic that Google has gutted their functionality in Android 2.2. I think that's a pretty high statement as to their value.

    If you'd like information directly from an Android developer, try this link: Android Developers Blog: Multitasking the Android Way

    Here's a quote from that developer which may help you understand why those apps aren't really running:

    "A common misunderstanding about Android multitasking is the difference between a process and an application. In Android these are not tightly coupled entities: applications may seem present to the user without an actual process currently running the app; multiple applications may share processes, or one application may make use of multiple processes depending on its needs; the process(es) of an application may be kept around by Android even when that application is not actively doing something.

    The fact that you can see an application's process "running" does not mean the application is running or doing anything."
     
  21. pkopalek

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    Just go to Market.

    Get Delete Old Messages.

    Delete your old messages.

    Once you have thousands of messages in your SMS inbox, your entire texting situation slows down TREMENDOUSLY.

    Good luck, soldier.
     

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