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  1. droidstolen

    droidstolen New Member This Topic's Starter

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    My LG Ally (Android) was stolen yesterday at a carnival by a carnie. First thing I did was locate and sure enough it showed up to be in Middletown,NY which is the next stop for the carnival train, I filed a police report but they said they cannot do anything. I know exactly where the phone is through locate, what should i do?
     

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  2. Kelmar

    Kelmar Done by choice VIP Member

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    Why can't they do anything???

    Call again and call the police in the next town. Call the state troopers?
     
  3. droidstolen

    droidstolen New Member This Topic's Starter

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    I don't know its dumb. All they said they would do is blacklist the esn or whatever, i have not yet cancelled the service though because it bugs me knowing where the phone is and not being able to do anything about it.
     
  4. Fenga Papit

    Fenga Papit Banned

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    I bet it's annoying to know someone else is out there returning all of your messages.
     
  5. Kelmar

    Kelmar Done by choice VIP Member

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    Blacklisting the ESN would make it so it can't be used again on the network. It doesn't help you get your phone back though.

    Call different police departments in different towns. Explain that you have an application installed that allows you to track where the phone is physically at and that you WANT your stolen phone back. You may have to get VZW in on it to prove to the police that it's your phone.

    Stolen = stolen = illegal = police should do something. DON'T let them just blow you off.
     
  6. G.Armour

    G.Armour You know you want to. VIP Member

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    They ain't gonna do anything. It would cost more for them to track it down and get it back than it would be for you to just get a new phone.. sorry about your loss but blacklist it and just get a new one.
     
  7. LoyalServant

    LoyalServant Well-Known Member

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    He knows where it is??
    They need not do anything to track it down... but yeah his chances are slim.
     
  8. Alieno

    Alieno Well-Known Member

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    What I would recommend...

    First, you need to make the police report in the jurisdiction where the theft occurred. Second, get a copy of that police report ASAP which will indicate that the phone was stolen (the report should include a serial # of the phone and it should be reported as stolen, meaning if police run the serial number it will indicate: STOLEN). I also recommend getting documentation proving you are the owner, receipts or whatever. If you are able to track the phone to a specific area (another town or city) call police in that area and advise them of the theft and the location of the phone (you will need to be precise, like an exact numerical address), be sure to provide the original police report number, and have any necessary documentation ready to prove its your property.

    I work in law enforcement..and I've handled a few calls like this. These kinds of thefts are very tricky and complicated, the odds are stacked against you. But do whatever you can anyway, because you never know.
     
  9. LoyalServant

    LoyalServant Well-Known Member

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    Then why are cops more interested in busting kids with dime bags instead of thieves stealing $600 phones?
    Some kid smoking a joint (IMHO) pales in comparison to theft of a phone.
    Today's phones have data on them - personal information, trade secrets, etc.

    Or is it that stealing a phone does not generate REVENUE for the municipality like giving a fine to a kid for having a dime bag?

    More people have the potential to be hurt from a stolen phone in the world today then some kid smoking a joint with his friend.
    Some extreme cases would include: loss of job, life, etc etc.

    So when someone goes to the cops and has -all- of the information such as the location of the phone and so forth they are not interested in he easy collar nowadays?

    Sorry, but it's well known today that the only things of interest to the police is what their chief tells them, and what council tells the chief, which is usually 'more revenue!'
    I have been to town council meetings, seen it firsthand.

    So what is your take being in 'law enforcement' ?
     
  10. Alieno

    Alieno Well-Known Member

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    Some agencies have specialized narcotic units/squads that exclusively look for people buying/selling/using drugs. It's unrealistic to expect members of a narcotics unit to handle medical calls, civil matters, or delayed property theft reports, because that's not their job. So for them, it has nothing to do with being "interested", it has to do with what their actual job is.

    As for road patrol who are not specialized..they'll handle what is dispatched to them. If they haven't been dispatched to a call, then they'll typically do proactive work like traffic stops (which can sometimes lead to drug/DUI arrests). Again, it has nothing to do with the patrol officers being "interested", it has to do with what's assigned to them.

    Police cannot randomly stop people at a carnival and check phones unless the victim (or a witness) *SAW* that particular person actually steal the phone. "I think he might of done it" or "he was the only one next to it so it must of been him" doesn't count and won't stand up in court.

    We actually don't know if the victim has "all" the information.

    First, what kind of location has the phone been pinpointed to?


    Let's pretend that the victim tracks the phone to a 5-story apartment complex within + or - 5 feet. Which floor is the phone on?

    Let's pretend that the victim tracks the phone to a residential area within + or - 25 yards. Which house is the phone in?

    Let's pretend that the victim tracks the phone to a 5-story apartment complex within + or - 25 yards. Which floor is in the phone on and which apartment is in it?

    Second, did victim (or a witness/surveillance) SEE the suspect actually TAKE the phone? *Note: This is assuming that the phone has been been pinpointed to an exact numerical address.

    If yes, what if the suspect says "I bought this phone at the carnival, I paid cash for it". How do you prove otherwise? This essentially turns into the victim's word versus the suspect's word, and becomes a civil matter. Or what if the resident isn't the same person as the carnival suspect and says "I have no idea what you're talking about, I don't have that phone".

    If no, then the police have no right to press further unless the suspect were to admit to having the phone (which is unlikely, and the above "I bought this phone" problem still remains).

    These scenarios are an enormous liability and the legal ramifications on the officers involved and the department due to all the unknown variables are mind boggling. The police will not simply barge in and start searching drawers and cabinets based on some phone tracking app/feature that could be in error or inaccurate (despite it saying otherwise). Like I said, these kinds of thefts can be and get VERY complicated, and I'm not even going into jurisdictional problems. A lot of people do not understand what needs to be in place before an investigation to take place or what necessitates proof or probable cause, all of which play a role in the investigation of the theft.

    While the ability to track the phone may seem like it's a guarantee you'll be getting it back if it's stolen, that is definitely not the case for many many people. And that has nothing to do with lazy police, it has to do with everything I mentioned above.

    I am super paranoid about my phone personally, and am always very cautious using it around people I don't know. I've heard of victims get their phones snatched literally from their hands AS THEY'RE USING IT or from the table right in front of them and then the thief running off and vanishing before the victim even knew or could register what happened. Droid or Iphone or whatever you use, be careful with your phone, it's very desirable little computer that is worth a lot of money.

    I hope that it works out of the OP, it's a terrible situation all around.
     
  11. slburto1

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    OH NO!!! That totally sucks. I have lookout on my Droid too... did you check online to see if theyve taken any pictures? Maybe if they have a face to match to an address... the likelihood of a personal working at a carnival having a criminal record it uuuuuusually pretty high.
     
  12. chrlswltrs

    chrlswltrs Well-Known Member

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    When you can't get the police to help you when you are the victim of a crime just because they are too lazy to enforce a law to protect people instead of just generate money in fines I would say your best option is track the phone down yourself, kick the guys ass, and get your phone back. What is the guy going to do? Press charges for assault for you getting your phone back? Step up, be a man, and protect yourself because you can't rely on pigs for anything!!
     
  13. VegasOnAcid

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    +1 And if you don't want to be to physically aggressive you can always go to the fair and just make his life hell, make a scene, cops roam around fairs and carnivals, if you make enough noise one will be sent over and then he will have to deal with the situation, just say he stole the phone just then if you know its on him and you don't mind bending the truth.

    May I ask how a carnie stole your phone tho?
     
  14. J03

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    I would guess he put it in a cubby hole somewhere and while the ride was going the carnie popped it into his pocket and hid behind the sign that says "not responsible for any lost or stolen items"... "sorry kid, nothing I can do about it, someone must have snatched it"

    If you remember what the guy looked like, I would go down there and confront him face to face. This guy is probably a tool with no idea how technology works. Tell him you lost it on his ride and your gps locator tracked the phone to this carnival. Make sure to let him know you called the police and they are going to show up to arrest him. Find a manager or someone who runs the carnival and tell him the same thing if you need to. These guys don't have a clue that the GPS locator can only pinpoint the carnival and not a particular person. Scare him into giving it back.
     
  15. jamor

    jamor Well-Known Member

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    You think a Pig is going to help you find a stolen phone?

    They got donuts to eat and speeding quotas to meet.

    It could be 1 of 10 houses based on the lookout accuracy. That is the problem.

    You could walk up to all of the 5-15 houses and say "Hi, I was told you found my phone." You will know when you see the reaction on their face when it turns bright red.
     

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