no more 802.11n + FM?General

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  1. Reginald VelJohnson

    Reginald VelJohnson Well-Known Member

    Were you told you could listen to the radio at a reasonable volume? How are the squirrels outside your window? :D

    I won't use the FM radio very much, but it would be nice to have. I'm glad it's there.

  2. im a android but thats ok

    im a android but thats ok Well-Known Member

    fm tuner is totally useless and redundant considering the number of apps that support radio stations from all across the country and not just local.
  3. drhill

    drhill Well-Known Member

    You got proof for that?
  4. chris61292

    chris61292 Well-Known Member

    Why would he need proof... its obvious
  5. QrafTee

    QrafTee Well-Known Member

    In any case the benefits of 802.11n:
    Now whether or not the CPU of the Droid Incredible is actually a bottleneck (I can't find much information on it) when trying to display web pages, downloading--in theory--is another story. Is it necessary? No, probably not; would it be nice to have... at times. I'm not sure about the whole "battery life lasts longer" part of the article because I'm fairly sure it uses more power to obtain that stronger signal and longer range.
  6. Callahan

    Callahan Well-Known Member

    Because absolute statements are easy to make in forums. It's easy to call others ignorant about technical issues, but if you make a statement like that, you should back it up with proof of facts. Otherwise, it is just a pissing contest that doesn't come to a resolution and simply makes posters mad at each other.

    All technical claims should be backed up with credible proof.
  7. TylerM

    TylerM Well-Known Member

    I'm going to educate you guys so that you don't sound like fools anymore. Wireless-N in a cell phone benefits because of range. The speed is definitely secondary. The number of you that get 54Mbps (the speed of wireless-G) Internet service is incredibly low. 99% of you aren't going to use the full speed of wireless-g let alone wireless-n.

    The range is of wireless-n is much better so in households it should be much better.
  8. hornyhippo

    hornyhippo Well-Known Member

    Maximum throughput never reaches 54mbps on 802.11G for any device even on a desktop. Doesn't matter to me, I don't have a 802.11n router, I'll want the FM feature.
  9. zeuswsu

    zeuswsu Active Member

    Umm...wrong. For anyone who uses FM radio to listen to sports games (me!), internet radio usually blocks out the games so you can't listen to them with the apps. You need an FM tuner in order to listen to them. Plus, why spend money on apps when you could have an FM tuner for free?
  10. QrafTee

    QrafTee Well-Known Member

    *facepalm* Okay, I'll give it to you that most ISPs don't really go above 50Mbps (at least not in my area). However, you forget interference for some reason which can cause slow downs. Now which frequency is more congested? Guess, just guess. Yeah, Wireless-G at 2.4Ghz; not Wireless-N at 2.4/5.8Ghz. What does that mean? Even though you're running the same internet with the same Wireless-N (Wireless-G compatible) router, you'll still see a boost in speeds using a Wireless-N radio v. Wireless-G radio. I'm running 3 Wireless-G devices and 3 Wireless-N devices (one of those devices used a Wireless-G card) at home so I can vouch for these videos:
    YouTube - WiFi Speed Test 802.11n vs 802.11g (Linksys Wireless-N Router)
    YouTube - Wireless G vs. Wireless N

    We're not looking for the "full speed." We're looking for the best average speed and the fact is you do get a higher average speed with Wireless-N.
    This as well.
  11. hornyhippo

    hornyhippo Well-Known Member

    I know, I have a cisco cert., it's faster because of mimo technology, which uses multiple antennas to send and receive data and achieving better performance. I already have FIOS, so i might upgrade all 5 of my pcs and router when i have more money and time. It would be nice to have 802.11N and FM radio features. Thanks for the videos.
  12. im a android but thats ok

    im a android but thats ok Well-Known Member

    as they say...theres an app for that, and most are free. there are always ways and sites to listen to home games on internet radio if you look.
  13. drhill

    drhill Well-Known Member

    Really. From what? The bus speed that he posted for the snapdragon? It's cache? Ram type?

    He makes a blanket statement with no facts supporting it.

    I've had machines for the last 10 years that got 100mbps when wired to a router that supports it. While an ARM chipset won't stack up to any desktop processors, I haven't seen anything that said it couldn't handle higher speed connections. My router runs at only 330mhz (a broadcom chipset) with 64mb ram and it can send out 1000mbps and wireless N speeds to any device connected.

    The broadcom chipset on the device supports wireless N, it's just not enabled.

    In regards to speed, someone just pointed out a wireless G connection never achieved peak bandwidth, even if you took out error correction bits. The argument about your broadband connection isn't valid either since I've got 5 other devices hooked up to my router that can talk to each other using 100mbps, 1000 mpbs, or wireless on a dual 5ghz channel.
  14. Evil Sports

    Evil Sports Well-Known Member

  15. zeuswsu

    zeuswsu Active Member

    There isn't an app for that. The internet radio streams are blocked from playing the games, you can only listen to games if you are in the local market using an actual FM radio. For example, blocks Blazer games from being streamed to internet radio, so that people will pay for their service. The only people who are able to listen to Blazers games on the radio are people who use an actual FM radio in the Portland, OR area. If the internet radio streams wern't blocked, nobody would pay for NBA.Com's service that stream the games.
  16. XxICEMAN720xX

    XxICEMAN720xX Well-Known Member

    The fm radio is a bonus for when I can't use pandora or Internet radio. Also, some of my local stations are not available thru streaming sources.

    I want wireless n on my incredible for increased range and increased average speed.

    I could have sworn I read a leaked incredible spec sheet and wireless b/g/n was listed I'll go find it and provide the link.
  17. XxICEMAN720xX

    XxICEMAN720xX Well-Known Member

  18. czm2000

    czm2000 Well-Known Member

    I use WiFi all day and night. I have it at home and we have it in the office.

    - It uses less battery though out the day since the signal is stronger.

    - It is faster than 3G.

    - I can keep getting my email and feeds even while I'm on the phone.

    - Using SwiFTP while connected to the WiFi, I can quickly and easily transfer files to and from my Droid.
  19. amarryat

    amarryat Well-Known Member

    I think he meant that the speed of the processor is not enough to take advantage of the wireless N speeds.

    We have async 35mbit service at home, and when I run speed test with my iPod touch, I only get 12mbit on my wireless G network. But much higher than that with a laptop, and the full 35 on my wireless N laptop. I always attributed that to the processor in the iPod.

    We will all find out when we get our Incredibles.
  20. amarryat

    amarryat Well-Known Member

    Yes, same as other posters - at the gym. They have FM transmitters attached to the TVs for audio out, all set for different frequencies depending on the channel. Until now, I have always used my old Sandisk Sansa to listen to what I am seeing.
  21. jpr18

    jpr18 Well-Known Member

    I'm also looking forward to the FM radio feature...usually terrestrial radio is pretty bad, but here in IL we have a great radio station (Q101) that I'd love to listen to at school and on the go. Not having to go through an app is nice.

    Can't speak for 802.11n but when we set up our new n router, the wifi on my Dad's old BB Bold (Tmobile) couldn't pick up the signal, and my iPod Touch had issues with it, while my MacBook Pro does not. So I hope the backwards compatibility (if it doesn't have n) is rock solid.

    Edit: Seems to be confirmed that it will have 802.11n
  22. Teibidh

    Teibidh Well-Known Member

    For most people debating whether the bottleneck is the processor on the phone or the wifi technology in use is pointless. Average broadband speeds across the US are still in the 10mbps range, and that's advertised, which you never truly reach. 802.11g is capable of advertised speeds of up to 54mpbs. In the vast majority of homes and businesses in the US the only time you would notice the difference between the two standards is during large file transfers within the LAN. You could, of course, be transferring large files back and forth on your home network to and from your phone, but for internet access and anything market related N is pointless.
  23. Teibidh

    Teibidh Well-Known Member

    According to 'inside' information the device will launch with the FM tuner. It will launch with 802.11N compatible hardware but only 802.11b/g will be available for use at launch. A future software update will enable 802.11N capability.
  24. amarryat

    amarryat Well-Known Member

    Overall completely true. However advertised speed doesn't apply to FIOS - it's always that speed, in both directions. That being said, I think that most web servers can't deliver the content at anywhere near those speeds (35mbit) and that even the 10mbit you mention is probably optimistic for most cable providers.

    Exactly right about the file transfers. That's where I see the big difference is during copying of large files, not surfing the web.
  25. amarryat

    amarryat Well-Known Member

    Any idea if it will have the 5GHz N? The people talking about the extra range of N can only be referring to the 2.4GHz, as 5 has shorter range for sure. However it also has less interference.

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