If it gets released on Black Friday with no pre-order, I guess I'll end up with one sometime in December. I refuse to be a part of that stupid marketing ploy. In my opinion, nothing is worth the foolishness that happens on that day. It doesn't make sense for Black Friday to be the real date since someone earlier mentioned Verizon tried that once and it was a disaster. Why would they do that to themselves if it was proven to fail?