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  1. Citizen Coyote

    Citizen Coyote Well-Known Member

    The last news I heard was still Q4 of this year. Given Moto's recent "promise" of upgrading all phones sold in 2011 with Jelly Bean or getting a $100 discount on a new Verizon phone (oh joy), I suspect we won't know for sure what's happening to the Photon until December. This kind of delay is one reason I'm seriously considering a Nexus for my next phone. Even though Sprint's two Nexi phones (the Nexus S 4G and the Galaxy Nexus) had delayed updates, they both still got 4.1. Our OS in contrast is almost two years old now.

  2. Lokifish

    Lokifish Well-Known Member Developer

    We will see hows this goes but I think it may be 2013 before we see it. My reasoning behind this is that OMAP Moto's (RAZR and the like) get updates first and in the past the OG Atrix gets the latest updates for Tegra2 based devices (Atrix/Electrify/Photon). For example the Atrix has had 2.3.6for months which we never got. Taking that into consideration, the ICS update for the OG Atrix has only ten days before it is late (July, August, September).

    To me Moto ICS is a bait and switch. "Here, have ICS! It will only cost Webtop and the 1.3GB that Webtop takes up!" Yes, you will not get that 1.3GB back (in the case of the Atrix2 is was more like 2GB).
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  3. Citizen Coyote

    Citizen Coyote Well-Known Member

    Yeah, I heard about that, sucks. I may end up unlocking my Photon if the update doesn't come (or is crap) and just installing a custom ROM.
  4. Eguy

    Eguy Well-Known Member

    It has now been delayed further if not canceled by Motorola: https://forums.motorola.com/pages/00add97d6c

    Pretty sad really. I'm glad I am running a custom rom because who knows if the Photon will ever leave gingerbread officially.
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  5. Lokifish

    Lokifish Well-Known Member Developer

    I think we need to start thinking GB update for the Moment type of rollout. "You'll get when ever you get it which may be never." The Droid3 was simply kicked to the curb.
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  6. Citizen Coyote

    Citizen Coyote Well-Known Member

    Indeed, as was the Droid X2. Both phones that came out in mid-2011, both promised upgrades, and now officially stuck on Gingerbread. At least we have "further plans coming soon." :rolleyes:

    I like the Photon, I think it's a solid phone and it has served me well. I'm not going to buy another Moto phone until they put their money where their mouth is, though.
  7. scottegos2

    scottegos2 Member

    Well, that's one way to read the non-information on the website. Alternately, it could mean they're adjusting the release date of ICS (wouldn't be surprising, given the delay on the bionic) or that they're going to roll out Jely Bean, instead. I think there's no serious way to know what it means without info that they're not releasing, yet. I do know that I'm not planning on just jumping in as soon as it's announced without letting others do some testing and reviews for me.
  8. Eguy

    Eguy Well-Known Member

    Don't hold your breath. Personally, I'd much rather run CM10 now then wait for an update that may never come.
  9. cymryk

    cymryk New Member

    The atrix 2 soak test for ICS upgrade just started , but the system wont let me post the link. Google atrix 2, ics, gotta be mobile, and you'll find it.
    The Atrix 2's status on the motorola update site was recently changed to "further plans coming soon.", just like the photon...
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  10. mkvoran

    mkvoran Well-Known Member

    I for one am glad to see "updates soon" compared to "will remain on GB 3.2" like some of the other devices. I think this is good evidence that we are getting SOMETHING.
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  11. scottegos2

    scottegos2 Member

    I'd probably run CM10 or whatever, except that I use the 4G data a LOT -- it's the best part of the phone for me. If somebody could just get an the bootloader unlocked and still preserve 4G, I'd be in hog heaven.
  12. KOLIO

    KOLIO Guides Guide

    Perhaps I was a bit naive,but,I have to say I'm surprised,not to mention disappointed ,that we're not getting ICS.Looks like I may be loading up a ROM for locked 2.3.5
  13. drexappeal

    drexappeal Well-Known Member

    Lol...now, part of me now wonders if go gators was an undercover troll that was connected to motorola and already knew...lol. Oh well, looks like I have better reason to root.
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  14. KOLIO

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    At this point, nothing would surprise me. MOTOROLA screwed the pooch on this one, unless the intent is to utilize the patent portfolio & run the handset business into the ground. If that is the case, GOOGLE & MOTOROLA are off to a running start.
  15. drexappeal

    drexappeal Well-Known Member

    We'll see what happens. Google has to intervine if they truly want Motorola to be succesful. They have to make Motorola into what they feel the ideal use, build, and growth that they see an android device to be. Otherwise, they should just sell off the hardware and keep the software patents.
  16. busted bones

    busted bones Well-Known Member

    The one thing keeping me from running a custom rom is the lack of 4G. I live and work in a 4G area and 3G speeds drive me nuts now whenever I go visit my Alma Mater for a weekend.
  17. busted bones

    busted bones Well-Known Member

    That would be truly a sad day if that happened. I just checked my data usage for the month that restarts the 3rd and I've burnt through 9.7GB over 4G but only a 245K KB on 3G.
  18. KOLIO

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    In the meantime, I may be picking up a GALAXY NEXUS or NEXUS S 4G w/SPRINT. I'm so p****d right now,I can't even stand to look @ my phone,much less use it.

    What a total crock:EOL'ed in APRIL, after less than a year on the shelf & totally abandoned 14 months after initial release. I hold both MOTOROLA & SPRINT responsible for this. What makes this even harder to take is all the hoopla that surrounded this phone when first released, & now what, one incremental upgrade to show for it.
  19. Lokifish

    Lokifish Well-Known Member Developer

    I had suggested that the $100 was part of a more targeted approach to devices and a way to simply clean house and start anew. I really was hoping I was wrong on that one.

    Lets see if the other part of my prediction comes true an Moto starts a three tier approach (flagship, mid-level and entry level) with a standard platform for each tier with only radio and carrier specific changes.

    To save face I'd suggest that Moto offer unlocked bootloaders on all the devices they just abandoned.
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  20. KOLIO

    KOLIO Guides Guide

    Be prepared for a LOT of questions regarding root/unlock/etc.......

    PM me w/a link to a donate PAYPAL acct (if you have one).I'm going to get a GNEX or NEXUS S to use as my daily driver (for now) & whether I venture back into rooting/ROMS,etc.... is still up in the air,depending on what's available for a locked 2.3.5 PHOTON.

    Either way,I'd like to donate to support your work,for past efforts in the community,if for nothing else.
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  21. Citizen Coyote

    Citizen Coyote Well-Known Member

    Indeed. I've already made up my mind to wait for the next Nexus before upgrading. I'm through with custom skins and OEM ROMs. As for my trusty MoPho, I keep looking at mof's locked 2.3.5ish ROM that he's been developing for some time now. It's basically stock that's been unBlurred with a few other improvements, and it keeps WiMax.

    However, I've also been appreciative of Lokifish's support for the Photon. It's nice to know we've still got a few devs at our backs. :)
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  22. Lokifish

    Lokifish Well-Known Member Developer

    I still need to get Ubuntop Beta 1.2.0 out to testers. Once I have an official Ubuntop release I write the Tegra2 Toolbox which will cover root, unlock, relock for all the Tegra2 phones.

    If you are on xda at all, donate through there. It easier for me to maintain access to the donators section of my site as I get your xda name attached to the donation info. I redid my site so donators get the latest releases and beta's as well as access to privately hosted files, a forum and live chat.
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  23. KOLIO

    KOLIO Guides Guide

    I'm a member of XDA, albeit not the most active by any stretch.My SPIDER SENSES tell me you're gonna be seeing a lot of us over @ XDA real soon........... :D
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  24. Lokifish

    Lokifish Well-Known Member Developer

    The bad part is you know how the dev game goes. New device roll outs or device is abandon by the manufacturer many devs jump ship. The photon community never had a lot of devs in the first place. Looks like updating my site may be a real blessing.

    (testing UTop beta on the locked Atrix right now. Wish me luck)
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  25. twospirits

    twospirits AF's janitor Moderator

    I just wrote the following post over in the Motorola forums and have decided to post it in here (for historical reasons) in case they decide to remove it.


    It is ironic that I've been trying to get back into these forums for quite some time now and haven't been able to since my password keeps getting me a token error message. So instead I finally entered using my Google log in info only to find this bombshell of a news for the Photon.

    In retrospect, I guess we can see the signs pointing to this conclusion. Promises made, promises broken. Days, weeks, months go by with the change of upgrading looking more and more slim. Its a shame really, because for all the devices I have own until recently, the ones from Motorola were in my honest opinion very well made, good designs and very good radios. They were, excuse the expression, "kick butt". Now it seems the only kicking butt being done is our own.

    Other signs pointing to this is the fact that the Photon 1 got upgraded to a Photon 2 that is nothing like it before. It astonishes me how some companies decide to upgrade a device but making it totally different. The Photon 2 should have been both a keyboard version as well as a true upgrade from the first Photon. But what's done is done.

    Now naturally, hearing this news one quickly turns to being angry, disappointment and we want to blame someone for it. Some have mentioned both on and off this forum blaming the admins, the reps, Moto itself, Sprint and even Google. But the fact of the matter is, it is the sign of the times. Devices come and go rather quickly, so quick that a flagship device deployed only 5 months ago can be EOL today, regardless if it got updates or not. Does it surprise me that the Photon was not upgraded, no, am I disappointed, yes.

    The people have spoken numerous times asking for upgrades, updates, unlocked bootloaders, etc and while updates have come, it is the customers that in turn will dictate whether they will continue to be part of this parade of disappointments or not. I for one have not. The kicker was when the Photon Q came out with the keyboard and no Webtop in sight. Webtop in my opinion placed Motorola in the field of awesomeness, of innovation that so many strive to achieve but never get to. Regardless of being bought by Google, they saw the future and took a step in that direction. Nowadays, they got sidetracked and are taking the wrong road. Whether that is due to Google or their own shortsightedness is anyones guess at this point in time.

    So as of today, I only see two other companies that are taking risks and being innovators much what Motorola was up to a year ago. Those are Asus and Samsung. And say what you may of either company, they are producing devices that folks want, and regardless of the marketing, actually need and use.

    I still have 2 Photons (due to contracts), and had numerous lapdocks (Atrix modified, Bionic modified the lapdock 100, all which i gave to another forum member). I've also had the xyboard (which I like better than my previous Lenovo Thinkpad). Since then except for the Photons, I've replaced them with the Samsung Galaxy Note 1 (hopefully getting the Note 2 in a month) and the Note 10.1 tablet. Two devices that are risk taking and superb in their execution.

    it is sad seeing this, but one has to move on and do what they feel is right and what works for them. Hopefully Motorola learns from this and does the right thing in the future, but for now, at least to me its a little too late. at least for those that still have the Photon, can feel comfort that there is a development community over in XDA-developers that will try to support you as much as they can. Loki is one outstanding member and what he has done is extraordinary.

    Good luck all, and best wishes.

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