Okay... how impact does Root have on Eris lag, really?


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  1. JCUMV

    JCUMV Well-Known Member This Topic's Starter

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    Hello all,
    Tons of threads here about root, and I'm reading a lot of them. I'm really considering rooting my phone. I'm a patient person and waiting for 2.1 OTA and the update also came OTA. For the most part, my Eris is pretty trouble free. I haven't suffered from the no ringer bug and some of the other crazy things I've read here on the Forum.

    But... the lag of the phone is starting to get on my nerves. The dialer is the biggest issue, like most have stated here many times already. But even just scrolling thru People, opening Email, waiting for the keyboard to "pop", etc... this phone is just plain slow.

    I've read thru the rooting for dummies thread and I'm sure I can do this. Been reading up on the xda forums and there are a lot of ROM's that look cool, and obviously the ability to OC is huge.

    So I'm asking you guys... am I really gonna see all that much improvement from Rooting this thing?

    Thanks.

    8/24 UPDATE: SO I ROOTED MY PHONE THIS MORNING! USED THE 1 CLICK METHOD THAT WORMDOES LISTED FURTHER DOWN THIS THREAD. IT WAS SUPER EASY AND I FLASHED XTRROM 3.0.3, AND DL'd LAUNCHER PRO.

    THIS IS A REAL EASY PROCESS. THERE'S ONLY ONE THING I NEED TO TELL PEOPLE, WHEN YOU BOOT INTO "RECOVERY MODE" (AS PART OF THE INSTALL PROCESS), ALL THE INSTRUCTIONS HERE WILL TELL YOU TO PRESS THE UPVOL+PWR. WELL WHAT'S NOT SAID IS THAT YOU NEED TO HOLD BOTH OF THOSE KEYS DOWN UNTIL THE RECOVERY SCREEN COMES ON! UM, YEAH... SMALL DETAIL THAT MOST OF INSTRUCTIONS LEAVE OUT. IF YOU SIMPLY PRESS THE BUTTONS AND RELEASE, THE PHONE BOOTS AS NORMAL. I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO FRISCO TO GETTING ME THRU THIS VIA PRIVATE MESSAGE (PM) THIS MORNING.

    I'VE ONLY BEEN PLAYING ON IT FOR ABOUT AN HOUR. IT'S MUCH FASTER AND THE DIALER IS QUITE A BIT MORE RESPONSIVE. ALTHOUGH I WILL SAY THAT THERE'S STILL A TOUCH OF LAG. FOR THOSE WONDERING, I HAVEN'T DL'd SETCPU AND MOD'd THE CLOCK SPEED YET. I'M GOING WITH THE STANDARD OC RATE DELIVERED ON THE ROM TO SEE IF THAT WORKS FOR ME. I'LL SAY THIS, I GOT REAL USED TO SENSE UI OVER THE PAST 8 MONTHS AND MOVING TO LP IS A DIFFERENT ANIMAL. GONNA PLAY WITH IT A WEEK AND SEE HOW IT GOES. ALL IN ALL, IT WAS EASY AND I'M HAVING FUN PLAYING WITH MY PHONE AGAIN :D
     

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  2. Lagos

    Lagos Well-Known Member

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    Go take a look at this forum, and then go into the root one. You wont hear a single complaint about lag in there.
     
  3. alprazolam

    alprazolam Well-Known Member

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    You absolutely will see a HUGE difference if you go with a good ROM that is known to be fast and use the settings that people suggest. I'd say it's the difference between wanting to throw the phone against a wall and keeping it the full 18 months with NE2.
     
  4. JCUMV

    JCUMV Well-Known Member This Topic's Starter

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    Lagos, I agree with your statement. But my impression is that most people who root were having serious issues with their Eris. I actually don't... well, except for the lag ;)
     
  5. Praetorian

    Praetorian Well-Known Member

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    Root + xtrRom or xtrSense = no more lag! zero, none, nada.
     
  6. pavirotten

    pavirotten Well-Known Member

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    I didn't have any serious issues with my phone. I just wanted to get rid of the bloatware, wanted to add Apps2SD, and wanted to get rid of that blasted lag. Since I rooted, all of my issues are gone.

    Go for it. The easiest way is the Universal Eris Root for Dummies. I am a total noob when it comes to smart phones and rooting, but this is almost as easy as it can get.
     
  7. stanlalee

    stanlalee Well-Known Member

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    rooted mine a few days ago. Do it now! Went from liking it alot to loving the phone. I rooted to CELB Foyo 2.0 BTW. I never had a single issue with my eris in 1.5 or 2.1 just wanted Froyo and its just plain better. Certain live wallpapers make it lag but not much else.
     
  8. Lagos

    Lagos Well-Known Member

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    I never had a single issue with my phone. I rooted because I wanted to.
     
  9. doogald

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    I rooted in early June. There is no lag with the ROMs I use (CELB, xtrROM and now kaos froyo.)

    I never really had much lag (a little), because I kept my phone logs and text message lists fairly small. However, I was having issue with event reminders not giving me a chance to dismiss them so going off every 5 minutes until the event (very annoying) and force closes at first launch of the browser every time (this also happens with the ROMs that use the HTC browser; turning off location services seems to fix that.)

    Rooting is a personal decision you must make; you are doing something that invalidates your warranty, after all. That said, my phone is much better than with stock, and has been for 10-plus weeks now.
     
  10. SyDTRaKKeD

    SyDTRaKKeD Well-Known Member

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    Same here. That was the main benefit of rooting for me was a fast, reliable, no lag phone. Along with it I got Apps2SD, OC, can get rid of all the bloat, and so many options for customizing and ROMs. I now have no doubt that I will keep my phone until May 2012 when I get my NE2 (unless something goes horribly wrong with it or it breaks... or someone gets me an early upgrade to a new 2ghz Snapdragon ;) ).

    I'd definitely recommend rooting! (oh, and go with an xtr ROM... one of the fastest out there!)
     
  11. MOS95B

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    I didn't even realize how "slow" my phone was until I rooted. Running KAOSFroyo right now, no OC, and she's zippy!!

    Tried a couple of the Sense based ROMs, too. Definitely faster than stock. And, as stated above, you can ditch the bloat. Bloatware, crappy stock ringtones, etc...

    Definitely worth a try, even if you decide to unroot back to stock
     
  12. volcanicstrad37

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    I have been hovering and reading these forums for months now and seeing this post made me register and respond. I just rooted my phone a couple of days ago and used the Kaos froyo ROM I can say it is leaps and bounds faster and I can not be more satisfied. Typing lag is completely gone the pinch zoom is much smoother and I have yet to have any problems with the dialer and my contacts. It is worth it!!!!!!
     
  13. BoulderAndroidFan

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    Hi. I posted this in another thread but this seems more appropriate. I'm a longtime stock Eris user writing to find out how long does it take to flash a ROM after rooting? It seems posters try ROMS like trying on different shoes. But my original Eris (I'm using a refurbished replacement) became unusable with silent bug after loading the leaked 2.1 OS versions and thought it was time consuming wiping my phone and having to reinstall apps and reset to the way I liked it. Does flashing to a different ROM cause complete wipe needing to reset custom settings and load apps each time? I have fun playing with my phone but I use it all the time for work and it seems ROOTING would become a huge black hole of time. This phone is addictive enough without having to customize every aspect of the ROM. Can any of you rooters chime in with thoughts?

    Also, to the original poster of this thread.... did you decide to root? If so, is it that much better?
     
  14. Frisco

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    Post #5. ;)
     
  15. MOS95B

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    The 2.2 ROMs (at least) have an option to have Google "Back up your settings". Basically, after flashing, logging in, etc, it starts redownloading your Market Apps for you. So, the phone is kinda laggy during that time (just a couple of minutes for me), during which I reset my ringtones.

    So, total time to flash for me is maybe 10 minutes. Probably not even that long...
     
  16. Podivin

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    Yes, flashing a new ROM is a complete wipe of the phone - with all the setup that implies.
    However before I flash a new ROM I use Titanium Backup to back up my apps and data. To ME, the 'and data' is the most important part there, because not only do you get your apps back, but they 'remember' their setup.
    It takes about 10 minutes to flash a new ROM and get the phone up and running again. Another 20 minutes or so to get apps and data restored and the phone looking 'right'. Add to that the 10 minutes or so that it takes to do backups before you start and the whole process is about 45 minutes start to finish. That's with practice, you should probably allow an hour or so the first couple of times until you find a routine that works for you.
     
  17. BoulderAndroidFan

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    Thanks to the posters for the realistic assessment. I think I'm going to dive into root later today.

    A couple more newbie questions: I have a few purchased apps, do rooters still get access to them via Market? Do new apps that were previously unavailable on stock 2.1 become visible or accessible on the Market after rooting? (Especially if you root to a Froyo ROM?)

    When flashing on a new ROM, do you need to wipe the current one you're using completely?

    Finally--any suggestions on first time ROMs? I'm thinking of diving into KaosFroyo30, but xtr, xtrsense, and plainjane seem to be highly recommended too.

    Thanks--I'm sure others have asked these questions before--just figured while I have a captive audience of rooters, this would be easiest than searching for hours!
     
  18. Lagos

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    Once you Root the phone and boot into recovery mode, go to backup/nand backup. This will do a back up of your phone, settings, apps, exactly how they are right now.

    After that you go into wipe and perform a wipe/factory and wipe/dev. This deletes all of the settings from your phone so that you can flash the new rom unto a clean phone. You MUST do this.

    After that just go to Flash from a zip and load up any rom you want. Reboot, play around with it and see how you like it. If you dig it, start downloading apps and setting things up the way you like them. If you don't like it, boot back into recovery, do a wipe, and reload the backup you made of your phone and it will be back to how it was.

    Its really fun and easy to try different roms.
     
  19. JCUMV

    JCUMV Well-Known Member This Topic's Starter

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    Alright, you guys have talked me into it! I'm rooting today. I need to find an hour at the computer to dl everything I need. I'm thinking KoasFroyo or xtr. Hearing good things about EE 3.0 and White Widow, too. I guess I'll put all of them on my SD card and just have some fun. Actually, if any of you have the hyperlinks to each of those ROM's and could post them here, that would be awesome.

    Thinking Couple of questions for you guys though.

    1. Can I flash between 2.1 and 2.2 ROM's without issue?
    2. What are obvious "bloatware" programs to delete? Or at least give me the list of stuff you got rid of.
    3. I'm going to use LP. Is there a difference between LP and LP Plus? Or are they the same?
    4. Can someone put a link here on this thread for the instruction to Unroot? I think I may need to have that handy (just in case something goes sideways).
    5. I've read a lot of the root threads, but is anything else you guys want to tell me that I'm forgetting to ask?


    Thanks so much for the push to the Root side ;)
     
  20. Demache

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    1. ALMOST no problems. When you flash ROMs, it essentially wipes out the previous ROM. However, the bigger problem is the SD card. If you use Apps2SD in 2.1, you need a Linux ext partition on the memory card. However, 2.2 does not work properly with this partition, since it uses the regular FAT32 partition for storing apps. So if you switch between, you might need to delete the old ext partition if you move to 2.2.

    2. Many devs already remove stock bloatware from their ROMs. But if you want to delete an app that comes preinstalled with a ROM, you can delete it in the /system/apps directory with a root aware file explorer (like Root Explorer).

    3. I've just using the Verizon RUU will flash your phone back to its original factory state.

    4. Just experiment with it, and find which ROM works for you. Not all ROMs are created equal, and some people like Sense ROMs, while others like stock Android ROMs. Its really up to you.

    And ALWAYS do nandroid backups if your doing something major like flashing a new ROM or editing system files. That way, if you mess up, or you find out that you really don't like that ROM, you can always painlessly go back to its original state.
     
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    Naturally I can't speak to all apps, but I've not noticed apps go missing when changing ROMS. I'd have to assume that there are some, but they're just not ones I use/look for.

    Generally speaking, it's a good idea to do the wipes that Lagos mentioned above, that way you don't have any left over settings from one ROM messing with another.
    Lagos also mentioned nand backup - nand backup is your friend! A 'nand' makes an exact copy of the way your phone looks at that second. If you're on a ROM you like, but you think you might like to try another, make a nand of your current ROM. If you find out that you don't like the new ROM you can do a nand restore and it will take your phone back to exactly (!) the way it was before when you did the nand. A nand restore takes just minutes, and you don't have any setup to do when it's done. That makes trying a new ROM less of a painful process, in the event that you don't like the new one you can just jump back to the previous one. Many of us have more than one nand on our phone, for different ROMS (or even for the same ROM, but at different points in it's life).


    KaosFroyo 30 is a good ROM and 2.2 has some neat stuff in it. However I used it for a couple of days and it's just not 'me'. That is in no way to imply that it's bad in any way, just not what *I* am looking for.
    I'm a fan of xtrROM, it's nice and quick.
    Personally I stay away from Sense based ROMS just because I don't use Sense or it's widgets. I'm a LauncherPro guy, so 'vanilla' ROMs are a good starting point for me. (yes, I know I can use LP on a Sense ROM).
     
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  22. MrWilliams

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    This. ^
     
  23. Podivin

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    Asking about Bloatware is like asking what's the best ROM - it depends on what you like. :)
    For ME Facebook and YouTube count as bloatware and they are first things that I delete when I get on a ROM. Other people would just wither and die without their Facebook fix and their YouTube videos. But I keep Amazon MP3 around for when I want to quickly download a new song - and I know that other folks call that bloatware - so it's really up to you and how you use your phone.

    For deleting the bloat, I find Titanium backup to be easier than Root Explorer (no offense to the wise Demache).
     
  24. xAusTiN

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    When I rooted, every single one of my problems was fixed, lag, the occasional silent bug, dialer, etc.

    Root saved my life
     
  25. Demache

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    None taken. I was actually going to say that, but I was too lazy to edit my post.
     

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